This isn't an attack on GGG, but all of these Eastern Bloc Amateurs with the bizillion Am's wins.
Lets just litely crunch the numbers for a minute here and try and make sense out of it.
Amateur Record: Widely reported as 345-5, but records show he had at least 8 losses.
Source: http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Gennady_Golovkin#Amateur_Career
In GGG's last 5 years as an Amateur his record was 43-8
Source:
http://amateurboxing.strefa.pl/Records/Golovkin_Gennadiy.html
http://amateur-boxing.strefa.pl/
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From the beginning, when my brother Vadim first took me to the boxing gym at 10, I was able to punch hard and the coach always put me with older boys because of that.
"My brothers first brought me to boxing. I dedicate the fights to them and my father and fight for my family.
Source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/boxing/2017/09/09/gennady-golovkin-exclusive-interview-brothers-would-pick-fights/
GGG was born in 1982 so that would make it 1992 when he was 10 year's old. The record I provided ^ is from 2000 until 2005 when he retired. That leaves us 7-8 years.
Ok 7-8 years, what does that have to do with anything?
Depending on which numbers you agree/disagree with we're looking at ~300 fights in 7-8 years time.
300 fights in 8 years time = 37.5 which means GGG would have fought 38 weeks out of 52 weeks for 8 years straight.
300 fights in 7 years time = 42.8 which means GGG would have fought 43 weeks out of 52 weeks annually for 8 years straight.
Not only is he fighting almost every week, but he's winning every week. Take into consideration too that his first year of Boxing training at 10 years old he probably didn't fight.
That means 300 fights in 6 years is exactly 50. Thats every dang week for 6 years he's fighting AND winning???
But for the last 5 years of his Am's career he only fights 10.2x per year???
This shít don't make sense. The numbers don't add up. I knew these motherfùckers been lying the whole time.
Why can't I find his entire record in 2019? How come Lomochenko's record doesn't exist either or any other of those guys with the 250+ wins either?
Every bit I said was true. No need to lie. You must have a very sad life if you think what I said is beyond the realms of possibility. It’s not that hard to buy a plane ticket, get a visa and support yourself in a foreign country for one single year to do something you care about.
Try to use some of that money you earn down the docks a bit more wisely and you could do it too.
Wow, zero details. Nice way to keep your lies together. So some random dude took a plane to Cuba and hung around some gyms? So now you're an authority on the Am's?
If you wan't a man to suck your dick, just ask him. No need to make up gay fantasies about getting a bj on the docks.
Why does your fantasy have docks in it? Is it because it rhymes with ****s? Did your crackhead mother give birth to you on the docks? Is that where you had your first gay experience?
Why is the docks so special to you?
Stop lying motherfùcker. You never coached shít, you never were in Cuba either. The closet thing you've ever been to Cuba was buying a overpriced cigar (the clerk Horacio said it was Cuban) you made into a blunt from your corner bodega.
What year were you in Cuba? Where in Cuba? How old were you? What Boxers did you work with that claimed 350+ wins (names only) and how old were they? Why were you there?
All quesitons you'll never be able to answer without lying through your brown stained teef.
You talk a big game for a liar on Boxingscene that probably is high on his mothers fentanyl stash. Why do you sell drugs to your mother? Isn't it enough she running that track all night trickin for her son?
Every bit I said was true. No need to lie. You must have a very sad life if you think what I said is beyond the realms of possibility. It’s not that hard to buy a plane ticket, get a visa and support yourself in a foreign country for one single year to do something you care about.
Try to use some of that money you earn down the docks a bit more wisely and you could do it too.
Possibly not as many as you although I’ve competed enough and did alright and have coached for over ten years.
Define hundreds... ok, erm, it means multiples of a hundred... is English not your first language?
200, 300+, yeah I met a good few of those in Cuba and attended many tournaments, which are held very regularly.
Stop lying motherfùcker. You never coached shít, you never were in Cuba either. The closet thing you've ever been to Cuba was buying a overpriced cigar (the clerk Horacio said it was Cuban) you made into a blunt from your corner bodega.
What year were you in Cuba? Where in Cuba? How old were you? What Boxers did you work with that claimed 350+ wins (names only) and how old were they? Why were you there?
All quesitons you'll never be able to answer without lying through your brown stained teef.
No one is gonna pay you the same rate you got that one time giving BJs behind a shipping container down the docks
You talk a big game for a liar on Boxingscene that probably is high on his mothers fentanyl stash. Why do you sell drugs to your mother? Isn't it enough she running that track all night trickin for her son?
You're suggestion sounds very time consuming. Do you want to pay me? I bill at $150/hour. Would you like payment options?
No one is gonna pay you the same rate you got that one time giving BJs behind a shipping container down the docks
I got plenty of Am's fights. How many fights you got?
Define hundreds please. It makes a difference when you have a fighter with 185 vs 240 vs 350.
https://i.imgur.com/AUaywKg.jpg
Possibly not as many as you although I’ve competed enough and did alright and have coached for over ten years.
Define hundreds... ok, erm, it means multiples of a hundred... is English not your first language?
200, 300+, yeah I met a good few of those in Cuba and attended many tournaments, which are held very regularly.
I am saying that he appears to be an elite amateur, but never made it as an elite MW pro, though he is solidly world class.
You can decide based on the evidence thathe couldnt beat an elite guy but beat world class ok, therefore categorically making him below elite but above world class.
Fair enough.
Id say hes pretty successful at pro level. If you try to say otherwise, youre just trying to discredit him.
I am saying that he appears to be an elite amateur, but never made it as an elite MW pro, though he is solidly world class.
You can decide based on the evidence thathe couldnt beat an elite guy but beat world class ok, therefore categorically making him below elite but above world class.
Seeing as he got beat by the first elite he faced, its actually no surprise its fictitious. He still has a stellar amateur record though, you cannot take that away from him even if he couldnt fully transfer that success to pro boxing.
Id say hes pretty successful at pro level. If you try to say otherwise, youre just trying to discredit him.
You should do a post on every other professional fighter.
Good luck finding an entire record for any older fighters.
You're suggestion sounds very time consuming. Do you want to pay me? I bill at $150/hour. Would you like payment options?
Guy has no idea how the amateur system works. I was boxing in Cuba for a year and can say there definitely exist plenty of guys who have many hundreds of bouts under their belt.
I got plenty of Am's fights. How many fights you got?
Define hundreds please. It makes a difference when you have a fighter with 185 vs 240 vs 350.
Beyond plausible. That’s how the Am’s work. You’ll have a tournament with 4-6 bouts in a day/weekend.
No it doesn't. Can you show me any tournament on Earth from the last 30 years that has 4-6 bouts in a night or weekend? GGG is too young for the old AAU's where fighters fought 3x/night. That ended in the early 80's.
GGG wasn't fighting multiple guys/night.
If he did, why doesn't his partial record show it?
https://i.imgur.com/AUaywKg.jpg
Bro, Ray does not have two official losses on his Am's record. There is no proof (official) that Ray lost to Billy Graham or Pasquale Pesca. Look deeper.
You're comparing record keeping from the 40's compared to 80 fùcking years later like it had any bearing on this argument? Record keeping from almost 100 years later should be the same? Are you on drugs son?
I know about the Am's, lived it. How about you? How many fights you got? Zero, that's right. How many world or domestic champs have you trained and sparred with side-by-side? Zero? Oo that's right, I forgot!
What 11 year-old kid is fighting in tournaments that are 3-5 days long? The math still doesn't add up you fùckwit.
Boxingscene eats the link but here it is in bits:
http://amateur-boxing.strefa.pl/
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Records/Golovkin_Gennadiy.html
2000 Brandenburg Cup: 2 fights
2000 World Jr Champs: 5 fights
2000 total = 7* fights (*partial)
2001 Grand Prix Tournament: 3 fights
2001 East-Asian Games: 3 fights
2001 total = 6 fights
2002 Chemistry Cup: 3 fights
2002 Kings Cup: 1 fight
2002 World Cup: 4 fights
2002 Asian Games: 4 fights
2002 total = 12 fights
2003 Ahmet Comert: 1 fight
2003 Dual USA-KZK: 1 fight
2003 World Champs: 5 fights
2003 total = 7 fights
2004 Asian Champs: 3 fights
2004 Olympic Test Event: 3 fights
2004 Golden Belt: 1 fight
2004 Olympic Games: 4 fights
2004 total: 12 fights
2005 Chowdry Cup: 1 fight
2005 Chemie Pokal: 1 fight
2005 World Cup: 3 fights
2005 Amber Gloves: 1 fight
2005 World Champs: 2 fights
2005 total: 8 fights
7*, 6, 12, 7, 12, 8 fights per year is what we have documentated.
So when does the 50 fights/year start? In the partial record I've provided, he's got nowhere near 50 fights/year, not even 50% for half that figure!!! They better start in 2000 right before my partial record shows because if not, new math will raise the water level.
Where is your link to GGG's entire Amateur career or any AM's career from the Eastern Bloc? Lets see your resource materials.
You should do a post on every other professional fighter.
Good luck finding an entire record for any older fighters.
I thought this forum was long done talking about GGG?
Canela fan's trying to keep his name out there. At this point the only way GGG should take a 3rd fight if its outside of Nevada.
You know in Nevada they are paid up very well. Only reason Pac didn't get robbed in Vegas (even thou his LA crib did) is because they couldn't.
true GGG is yesterdays news, timeline is -
2014 wins first title in ring with KO of Lemiux
2015-2016 3 defences of that title - one top contender, one former titlist from 2 divisions below, one nobody
2017 Draw with guy from division below
2018 Beaten by guy from division below
good run, all in all. Dont knock 4 IBF defences, thats on par with the great Jeff Lacy. Although Jeff didnt make half of them to lower division guys.
Love how you just say Easter Bloc" as if to say the American records are flawless and aren't altered at all, 2 official losses on Ray Robinson's amateur record and if you bring it up to people (I answer a lot of boxing **** on Quora.com, not the best site obviously but feels kinda good to speak to no nothings on there that think they're something in the boxing community and prove them wrong, it's the place dellusional ****s go when they can't hold their own in an argument here so a bit of questioning with the bird brains is kinda fun), in different places they will actually scream non stop that Robinson was undefeated when he wasn't, like there's some kinda mystiique in having a champion who hasn't lost a fight since they were x year old and if you examine said boxer it's an iinsult to their country.
Could be factual, could be that their country, followers, fans etc knock a loss or 2 off their career to try and give a little extra to their light. Point no amateur boxer is going to have someone inflate their record when they turn pro because there's no 100% check up, you simply cannot trace every single amateur fight someone has had especially back then and the better an amateur boxer looks chances are the faster they can elevate them too fame.
Bro, Ray does not have two official losses on his Am's record. There is no proof (official) that Ray lost to Billy Graham or Pasquale Pesca. Look deeper.
You're comparing record keeping from the 40's compared to 80 fùcking years later like it had any bearing on this argument? Record keeping from almost 100 years later should be the same? Are you on drugs son?
clueless idiot. you did all this writing, without having no ****ing Clue about amateur system.
why im ashamed of opening my mouth at any other sports, where ive got no idea of whats happening. but here we have tons of experts that never even trained, let along compete..but hey they do the math here, claiming others fraud.
6-9min fights, 3-5 fights per event. every 2nd week there is some sort of amateur tournament. now do the math
I know about the Am's, lived it. How about you? How many fights you got? Zero, that's right. How many world or domestic champs have you trained and sparred with side-by-side? Zero? Oo that's right, I forgot!
What 11 year-old kid is fighting in tournaments that are 3-5 days long? The math still doesn't add up you fùckwit.
Boxingscene eats the link but here it is in bits:
http://amateur-boxing.strefa.pl/
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Records/Golovkin_Gennadiy.html
https://i.imgur.com/AUaywKg.jpg
2000 Brandenburg Cup: 2 fights
2000 World Jr Champs: 5 fights
2000 total = 7* fights (*partial)
2001 Grand Prix Tournament: 3 fights
2001 East-Asian Games: 3 fights
2001 total = 6 fights
2002 Chemistry Cup: 3 fights
2002 Kings Cup: 1 fight
2002 World Cup: 4 fights
2002 Asian Games: 4 fights
2002 total = 12 fights
2003 Ahmet Comert: 1 fight
2003 Dual USA-KZK: 1 fight
2003 World Champs: 5 fights
2003 total = 7 fights
2004 Asian Champs: 3 fights
2004 Olympic Test Event: 3 fights
2004 Golden Belt: 1 fight
2004 Olympic Games: 4 fights
2004 total: 12 fights
2005 Chowdry Cup: 1 fight
2005 Chemie Pokal: 1 fight
2005 World Cup: 3 fights
2005 Amber Gloves: 1 fight
2005 World Champs: 2 fights
2005 total: 8 fights
7*, 6, 12, 7, 12, 8 fights per year is what we have documentated.
So when does the 50 fights/year start? In the partial record I've provided, he's got nowhere near 50 fights/year, not even 50% for half that figure!!! They better start in 2000 right before my partial record shows because if not, new math will raise the water level.
Where is your link to GGG's entire Amateur career or any AM's career from the Eastern Bloc? Lets see your resource materials.
Even if a draw was the right call, that's not a loss. So he wasn't "beat".
Nice try doe.
you mean nice fail yourself, as I clearly wrote "GGG got beat by the first elite he faced". I categorically didnt say "first time he faced him".
now you admit your mistake, or choose not to, np.
If you're referring to the first Canelo fight, Golovkin should've gotten the decision and pretty much anyone with a brain knows it.
no, a draw was acceptable and I have no need to try to make a sweeping statement in order to validate it, I have the result to validate my statement.
clueless idiot. you did all this writing, without having no ****ing Clue about amateur system.
why im ashamed of opening my mouth at any other sports, where ive got no idea of whats happening. but here we have tons of experts that never even trained, let along compete..but hey they do the math here, claiming others fraud.
6-9min fights, 3-5 fights per event. every 2nd week there is
some sort of amateur tournament. now do the math
Such is NSB my dude, how dare you say someone has to do some research and put some actual effort into what they're posting.
Love how you just say Easter Bloc" as if to say the American records are flawless and aren't altered at all, 2 official losses on Ray Robinson's amateur record and if you bring it up to people (I answer a lot of boxing **** on Quora.com, not the best site obviously but feels kinda good to speak to no nothings on there that think they're something in the boxing community and prove them wrong, it's the place dellusional ****s go when they can't hold their own in an argument here so a bit of questioning with the bird brains is kinda fun), in different places they will actually scream non stop that Robinson was undefeated when he wasn't, like there's some kinda mystiique in having a champion who hasn't lost a fight since they were x year old and if you examine said boxer it's an iinsult to their country.
Could be factual, could be that their country, followers, fans etc knock a loss or 2 off their career to try and give a little extra to their light. Point no amateur boxer is going to have someone inflate their record when they turn pro because there's no 100% check up, you simply cannot trace every single amateur fight someone has had especially back then and the better an amateur boxer looks chances are the faster they can elevate them too fame.