A reminder. Canelo Alvarez has always challenged himself throughout his career.

when did he pass on that fight? you mean the offer that was contingent on ggg signing a multi fight deal and preemptively postponing the canelo fight? yeah i wonder why he passed on that derp! ask yourself why ward needed more tune ups and wasn't prepared to fight? he had just fought paul smith and wasn't ready wtf what bollocks. ask yourself if ward knew ggg was mandatory to the wbc and yethe still wanted to make ggg postpone that fight? ridiculous publicity stunt to spin and nothing more. if he wanted to fight ggg he would have offered to fight him right then right now ya know how all fights are done. not to complicate it with some multi fight plan when he knew ggg would not agree to that due to his standing and future fights. when did he pass on lara? you can't just make things up. where were the lara offers that were passed on? yes there was a laughable ward offer that was already debunked as publicity stunt and nothing more but where are hte lara offers? how do you pass on something that doenst exist? did you pass on seeing black panther 2? it doesnt exist so you passed on it! did he go out of his way to try and fight lara? no he didnt and why would he? lara wasn't in his division and wasn't a draw unlike a guy like brook who brought him millions. and ggg was selling out madison square garden and getting the best ratings on hbo but ok he wasn't a big draw either sure. lara was the one asking for millions so do your research. 15 million was unconfirmed. first it was 10 then it was 15 so which was it? and if he had you as his sorry ass promoter he would have lost out on millions so thank you for not going into the boxing business. i'm getting the impression you eat up all the headlines that they put out without really comprehending them. your confirmation bias seems to override your critical thinking. ooo he turned down 15 million i guess he's ducking! oh he made more than that hmmm well he was still ducking!!! its not a rubber match and they chose to fight jacobs. you are really eating up their headlines. it was mid january and they signed to fight jacobs for a fight in may. if they wanted ggg who doesnt even have a tv network deal they would have ya know tried to negotiate with him instead of signing to fight someone else instantly. oh he didnt accept our first offer lets sign to fight jacobs so we can say ggg didn't want it! and its off to the presses! hes ducking hes ducking hes ducking! what was the offer even? did you even try to negotiate longer than a day? ducking ducking ducking JUST LIKE THE WARD AND LARA FIGHTS!!!! DERPPP DERP DERP I KNEW IT. CONFIRMATION BIAS FULFILLED don't you feel great now? :fest30: I haven't spent much time on here lately so this reply is late. First of all, I never said he refused to sign a contract on the table for those fights. His team were dismissive at the mere suggestion of fighting guys like Ward and Lara at a time when they were claiming to be desperate to face a top figher. Once they were in the driver's seat they started talking about facing the opponents of their choosing and were dismissive of other top fighters even though they had criticized fighters for displaying that same attitude. Because of the overstated claim that GGG was ducked in the earlier portion of his career, people believed he'd be eager to step up against a top fighter at the first opportunity. But now we know he's the type of guy who will carefully weigh his options before making a move, and he's willing to allow the situation to play out. Even the fight with Jacobs dragged on for a time because he wouldn't budge from a 75% split on his behalf. Meanwhile, his team chose to turn down the initial offer from GB which was well within their right. However, they can't claim he's being ducked when they're rejecting a career high payday the likes of which no one was offering him as an A side let alone B side at the time. His team didn't even bother responding to the offer until GB put them on blast. Instead, Loeffler focused on increasing his profile against guys like Brook and Jacobs (which he should have been doing for him all along) as talks continued in the background. If you notice when Loeffler was asked about his thoughts on a Canelo fight during that time, he always expressed confidence about it getting done. It was obvious they knew team Canelo wanted it, it was more a matter of ironing out the details. And in reality that fight ultimately did much better numbers than it would have if they had met a couple fights prior when GGG's most notable opponent was Lemieux. That's what you call building a fight, yet haters will claim team Canelo was waiting for GGG to get old when he faced him as an undefeated champ coming off his career best win, and even though team GGG wasn't quick to sign the contract. Even in the rematch, team GGG were perfectly willing to risk having that fight fall through with their inflated co-A side split demand. Team GGG even publicly insisted that because Canelo was willing to concede an inflated purse split to Cotto, they deserved one too. Thankfully GB salvaged it at the last minute when many others in their position would have walked away. So back to the original topic of this thread: props to Canelo for not only having one of the deepest resumes in boxing and facing every style of fighter, but also for making the type of concessions in order to secure big fights that others wouldn't have.

Canelo is a boss for selecting Jacobs it is great to be a Canelo-fan, knowing that he will face the toughest opponents imagine being a Golovkin fan..... still waiting for that career-defining fight..... but knowing that it will likely never happen Canelo shall now be known as..... Studnelo Golovkin shall now be known as..... Shamekin

Borat offered 168. Ward accepted. Borat changed goalpost to 164. Ward called Borat out on his BS No need for Froch rematch; first fight was clear The Adonis fight would never have happened although it wouldve been good for Ward Ward did PASS on Bute saying he needed to earn his shot. Two fights into earning his shot he was KTFO. That was a miss and not a duck, but wouldve bolstered Wards legacy big time. Its the same story with you Borat kiddies. I post sources (evidence) and all of a sudden your favorite movie was from 1990 and ya'll go SWAYZE https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/41/Ghost_%281990_movie_poster%29.jpg/220px-Ghost_%281990_movie_poster%29.jpg the real boxing fans, who are also Golovkin fans.... simply do not mention Ward lol the casual fans..... still think that Hypekin could have beaten Ward LMAO but the real shltters, the most lame of them all..... steadfastly insist that Ward ducked lil'G :lol1: there is no hope for that group

that makes no sense. how does he make more money? he had more leverage when he had the belt. he actually could have forced a purse big and taken 75 percent and made more. puzzling statement wbc mando split, do your homework..

Has Clenelo fought Jacobs yet? has he fought sergio mora yet? that would make him an even bigger star according to the idiot

does Danny Jacobs count ? :lol1: it took Hypekin 12 years to make those kind of fights it took Canelo 12 months why are you so fkn dumb ? everybody knows..... 1) silly pacfans should STFU about steroids..... 2) silly golov-fans should never criticize another fighters resume..... they are un-written laws Has Clenelo fought Jacobs yet?

FACT: Canelo took BIG fights FACT: Golovkin refused BIG fights that is the diff, right there if Golovkin had the following names on his resume..... Lara, Cotto, Ward, Mora, Saunders, Derevyanchenko, Charlo..... win or lose..... then he would be a much bigger star than he is today..... and he could have taken ALL of those fights, but he refused sergio mora :fest30::fest30::fest30:

canelo was already an established star when he moved up to 160 and thats when you start the comparison? laughably stupid. you aren't comparing like things at all. it would be like ggg moving up to 168 and fighting callm smith tomorrow. it took one day to canelos 12 months! if you look at their careers it took canelo 8 years to land his first big fight. an unknown guy from kazahkstan only took 3 years longer than a mexican with a built in fanbase and powerful promoter. not so bad but im sure you will pretend that they had equal opportunities/fanbases/promoters right? we all know kazahkstan boxing is a huge deal. it practically runs boxing. mexican boxing hmmm never heard of that FACT: Canelo took BIG fights FACT: Golovkin refused BIG fights that is the diff, right there if Golovkin had the following names on his resume..... Lara, Cotto, Ward, Mora, Saunders, Derevyanchenko, Charlo..... win or lose..... then he would be a much bigger star than he is today..... and he could have taken ALL of those fights, but he refused

The only fighter with a resume comparable to Canelo is Pac point blank period. Canelo is my vote for fighter of the decade..

does Danny Jacobs count ? :lol1: it took Hypekin 12 years to make those kind of fights it took Canelo 12 months why are you so fkn dumb ? everybody knows..... 1) silly pacfans should STFU about steroids..... 2) silly golov-fans should never criticize another fighters resume..... they are un-written laws canelo was already an established star when he moved up to 160 and thats when you start the comparison? laughably stupid. you aren't comparing like things at all. it would be like ggg moving up to 168 and fighting callm smith tomorrow. it took one day to canelos 12 months! if you look at their careers it took canelo 8 years to land his first big fight. an unknown guy from kazahkstan only took 3 years longer than a mexican with a built in fanbase and powerful promoter. not so bad but im sure you will pretend that they had equal opportunities/fanbases/promoters right? we all know kazahkstan boxing is a huge deal. it practically runs boxing. mexican boxing hmmm never heard of that. i shouldn't expect much from a liar like you. you think ggg picked the judges for the canelo fight lmao uninformed mor-on. and you go around saying how uninformed you are day after day exposing yourself. once you had been exposed you would think you would stop making such a fool out of yourself but yet you continue lying. why? someone who has to lie to defend a fighter is a tribalist. they have no thoughts of their own. you are pathetic

you use money as to why canelo ducked ggg when he was his mando, but fighting ggg without the belt actually allowed canelo to win a lot more money than he would have done while ggg was his mando, money wise it was the right move by far... that makes no sense. how does he make more money? he had more leverage when he had the belt. he actually could have forced a purse big and taken 75 percent and made more. puzzling statement

How many active fighters under the age of 35 has he fought in the last 7 years? Was it 3 or 5? does Danny Jacobs count ? :lol1: it took Hypekin 12 years to make those kind of fights it took Canelo 12 months why are you so fkn dumb ? everybody knows..... 1) silly pacfans should STFU about steroids..... 2) silly golov-fans should never criticize another fighters resume..... they are un-written laws

How many active fighters under the age of 35 has he fought in the last 7 years? Was it 3 or 5?

Problem with Canelo is he's either loses or fails to win decisively whenever he steps up. Basically this, at least he has gotten in the ring with them.

well on boxrec it shows canelo vs some guy named liam smith and canelo vs amir khan(this fight is ok since khan is the greatest of all time) these fights made 5 times less money than the ggg fight who was the guy he was mandated to fight and refused. what do you call fighting lesser fighters for less money?you use money as to why canelo ducked ggg when he was his mando, but fighting ggg without the belt actually allowed canelo to win a lot more money than he would have done while ggg was his mando, money wise it was the right move by far...

Ward fought the boogeymen - all of them. And he made no gripe about weight What Ward did not do was challenge Adonis Stevenson at 175 and Kovalev at 171 CW. That's what Borat did. Borat wanted all JMW (and even WW) to move up 1-2 weight classes for him and, despite calling Ward out at 168, wanted Ward to come down to him #BoratLogic recap of your first laughable statement: ward fought all the boogeymen: nope he did not. ducked bute, stevenson, ggg, froch rematch never griped about weight: yes he did, he turned down the weight ggg wanted. you said this in your own post. you seem confused. he fought some of the boogeymen as long as they were willing to subject themselves to his tightly controlled environment where he could cheat and rob them. refused to join the super six unless every single fight was a home fight. refused to travel for career high pay days. REFUSED TO FIGHT UNLESS HE WAS A-SIDE. understand now?

The only thing that was predetermined was this after all that smack talk: https://i.redd.it/eraftf6jz0n11.png Mr. Middleweight Ca$hnelo well when you are a face first bum thats always going to be in the cards for your face

Not to mention GGG passed up on the Catchweights - that's his own fault and when ward passes on the catchweights guess whose fault it is? ggg! :fest30:

My point is that it does not matter if you were K.Od brutally one tiene. it doesn't matter? why doesnt it matter? you do realize that williams and ortiz the 2 guys you are saying were great opponents for canelo were both ko'd recently when canelo tried to fight them. that matters. williams had lost 2 out of 3 and ortiz was 1-1-1 and each had been ko'd. they were not big risks as you say. they were what you call cherry picks.

What a book of excuses ... Thats a fact GGG has a shi.t of resume Only fought with two good fighters Canelo and Jacobs And in one división he fought lemmy too