Eddie Hearn Offers Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury 60/40 Split For AJ Fight

I'd argue Whyte & Big Baby are risks to Joshua's 0. Although lesser risks than Wilder & Fury. Old Povetkin even caught Joshua nicely in there fight. Idk that Joshua's chin holds vs all these guys. I think both Wilder & Joshua have L's soon enough. And idk why you'd think a rematch would reverse an L for Joshua. We've not seen Joshua deal with the same guy twice or deal with a pro loss. There is no reason to suspect he'd avenge what will likely be a KO loss since we are talking HWs & generally the standard is if you lose by KO you lose by KO quicker in the rematch. Its the same either way. If Joshua or Wilder, two extremely beatable currently unbeaten guys, lose this fight loses value which equals these two & their promotional & managerial partners getting less money. Its a risk to both. I think its a tactic Hearn has taken to keep Joshua unbeaten for as long as possible. Problem is I think he knows Joshua isn't some modern day Joe Louis who gots 20 odd defenses in front of him. I think originally he wanted to avoid the biggest threats (Wilder & Fury, or he wanted to fast track a Fury he thought was done for as long as possible, but now he knows that Whyte is a lowkey threat. Ortiz is a threat. I think he even suspects Big Baby is a threat. Its a landmine field out there for Joshua. And Wilder is so wild a boxer he could come up short on his power any night & like he almost did vs Fury. If not for that big ending with his power Wilder loses a decision as he likely should have anyway. Marinating a HW superfight is one of the dumbest things a promoter can do basically specifically when neither boxer is some great example of unbeatability & both have already had some tense moments of vulnerability. If you think Hearn is taking the easy route to not get AJ beaten then he wouldn't have put against Klichtsko who was regarded a greater threat as no 1 above Wilder at the time they could have easily took a similar path to Wilder as he was alread making decent money pre klitchsko. AJ is beatable but it is unlikely these guys do it and even less unlikely they do it twice AJ has a decent chin and has less 10-8 knockdown rounds than Fury and Wilder to back it. Althought they are a slight threat and as long as AJ recovers the belts (legitimately) in the rematch his value will be fine if anything I think that would improve his value as he seems to have stagnated a little. Ortiz is old that fight will go the same way as Povetkin if you ask me. Whyte, AJ has beat with no real trouble he has improved but so has AJ and you can tell AJ wants to fight Whyte if you look at his reaction after what Whyte said to him after the Chisora fight, he looked ready to go there and then lol. Miller bit unknown but he is not recognised to have power just a good engine for a large guy with a come forward style, potential walking straight onto an AJ uppercut or straight right. Also if you think Hearn is representing AJ poorly should check out his Blue Blood TV interview the place that's gonna try the hardest to make him look bad. He comes across well whether you beleive he's telling the truth or a silver tongued devil.

I'm a Hearn fan at the end of the day not a regurgitator of his rivals stances. I've watched more 1hr interviews with Hearn & some random Youtube dipsh^ts than virtually everyone in the US & I gotta be in the top 1% of viewers for the UK too I'd imagine. I'm not "riding with Wilder" or any other HW really. I do think Wilder is the most fun to watch HW cuz of his power & ability to fight (not necessarily box doe lol) & I do think Joshua is the most marketable & the guy whos improved the most since he reached the tip top level & I do think Fury has the most talent & ability for this game. I don't think my stances are based upon any fanboyism or haterism towards any of these fighters or those with affiliations with them, but are based on reasonable takes of these high level yet very different athletes. Unless the whole fight gets popped cuz one or both lose. And Hearn was the one who played to that end from the start cuz he's got the golden goose who's younger so he wants to secure some more walkover paydays & let Wilder get a lil older so he'll be an easier, less risky fight for Joshua ideally. So I get it. But once again its not how Hearn built his brand doe & it requires tactics he's not good at employing. That is a risk but there not many outside of Wilder and Fury that stand a chance against AJ and even if they beat him in a first the chance of that happening a second time in the rematch that would be contracted seems slim to none, rematches of upsets generally seem to improve the excitement aroun involved fighters. If Wilder loses to Fury this causes some problems but makes the AJ v Fury bigger and opens up Wilder to them lowball offers in the future if that fight was to take place, although at ultimately lower demand both probably would stand to make less. It is gamble that I beleive Hearn thought took thinking Fury will be on his 5 comeback fight by the time AJ v Wilder happens and Wilder took thinking Fury wouldn't be quite as competive after his absense from the HW scene as many others would just logically assume. Fury seems to have thrown a spanner in the works for the moment.

You can’t be the B side to a lesser known B side fighter himself then expect to become A side with the biggest, most popular A side fighter.. that’s just common sense. AJ makes more money than Wilder and Fury made in their fight combined so why on earth would AJ now split his earning in half with someone who makes pennies compared to him. If Fury wins the WBC title, as he should have already, then Joshua/Fury should rightfully be a 50:50 fight. They are both household names in the UK. The fight would undoubtedly be the biggest British fight in history

Well yea, but thats a two way street. To the winner goes the spoils & the popular opinion will be had by Team Joshua, Team Wilder or Team Fury whoever comes out as #1 of this top 3 when it does get decided. Again sure, but Hearn doesn't want Joshua to be some UK HW Broner type where people pay to see him lose. Joshua has taken the SRL superstar path anyway so people are paying to see him win not to lose. He's not as sellable as "the bad guy". Sure Joshua isn't going to the penthouse to the outhouse if he lost his next ten fights straight, but that doesn't mean the money stays the same either. Joshua sells better as the good guy than the bad guy. And while I favor Joshua over Wilder myself I think Fury is a whole other animal & if he regains more of his previous form moving foward I think he can virtually 12-0 both Wilder & Joshua oddly enough no matter what the bookies may or may not say. I do contend none of these fights are walkovers as things stand now & none are unbeatable to the other two & I see all fights in the 60/40 range with maybe some debate on 70/30. Although the actual outcomes could look like it was 100/0 specifically Joshua vs Wilder cuz that could end in a minute either way as I see it. I will say Fury is the most unbeatable of the 3, but only if he gets his sh^t fully together & keeps it that way. I got no faith in Fury holding it together, but I got a ton of faith in him ruling the division for awhile if he's able to hold it together. Answering questions is one thing. Throwing shade is another. Hearn knows & realizes this. As I keep saying Hearn the boxing promoter shines the best for Matchroom & his fighters when he's hyping fights & fighters not dogging sh^t left & right like some young Arum type. Business was looking better when Hearn was operating like that despite the situations that have arose as of late that were to the hard work & dedication of Old Eddie not this New Eddie messing sh^t up. But it usually is harder to sustain high level success they say over reaching it for a short period of time as most cats who win a title would statistically prove also. Overall I think nothing Hearn has done has been that offensive or embarrassing especially when in comparison to other promoters. The main thing is his rivals are telling people it's embarrassing and thats regurgitated by their fans. Most fans of AJ will stick to their guns if they get and only will be provided or watch pro UK/AJ media (which Hearn needs to provide with these titles that he is trying) so he will not be negatively affecting his own or UK fanbase I doubt. It maybe the opposite but effect for US media however even then AJ came across reasonably well. The situation as I read it is both teams know the fight builds the more it's delayed. So Hearn sent low offers to be negotiated to drag time out and Wilders team don't respond timely and when they do they don't define what they want they just complain. I don't think they've had a meeting about it but I think they both know they're doing enough just to keep blaming eachother. We eat it up and when all is said and done eventually they fight and cha ching they get paid double or more than originally. AJ is already earning big tbf and once he fights Wilder I doubt that either will get a fight in their career that makes as much unless some flash new kid comes through or Wilder beats AJ first and fights Fury. So maximising that fight would make sense to both of them.

In my eyes the 2 things that have made Team Joshua look dumbest & like they have no idea the game they are playing was Hearn saying repeatedly that either Wilder vs Fury wasn't happening or that there was a 2 fight deal that made it impossible for either guy to fight Joshua prior to a rematch yet now he's offering deals to both of them despite the previous claim to a rematch clause to a fight that wasn't going to happen in the first place. Those are the most clear & wonky moves Hearn has decided were smart as of late. Not really lies though. Okay right Hearn did say he doesn't believe in HIS OPINION Fury will make it to the ring, this doesn't involve AJ and all fights had been made and tbf there was even some rockiness at a couple points with the nearonth delay in announcement after supposedly being as good as done due to lack of venue and the whole Fury signing up with VADA. Also remember in the entirety of the build up they was throwing shade at AJ so some of this was probably a bit of titt for tatt which is fair especially when Hearn said Fury was boring fighter in the ring that was a definite reaction. Obviously Fury made it to the ring at which point Hearn held up his hands and said he was proved wrong about two things Fury getting to the fight and the fact that Fury would be a shadow/ make a rubbish fight. He commended Fury apologised and said it was an excellent fight although not a classic (seemed unnecessary but not significant). With regards to the two fight deal it was always "probably" which maybe get out of jail word he was throwing in deliberately and Wilder did speak of giving Fury the rematch clause because I remember it was used against AJ when he didn't offer one to Wilder originally and Wilder was using as this is what real champs do along with the 50-50 split which also never happened. Now since the 1st of December it has become apparent that there was no rematch so at their own discretion Fury and Wilder could fight AJ. Hearn has then made offers which if you remember Finkel said make a real offer and we'll meet after Dec 1st. They have not responded and Hearn is mearly proving to public he is making a real offer and that they do want the fight as people like Lennox are saying offers aren't being made. The only thing I didn't like Hearn doing was trying to convince us AJ wanted to fight Fury more than Wilder but wanted to become undisputed more than fight Fury but that's just petty. AJ has a clear order Wilder, Fury and Whyte. Again the problem was that was then & this is now. You can't build a good house on a bad foundation as easily as you can build a good house on a good foundation. There is distrust & a ton of bs clouding the air BECAUSE of Hearn & the low balling Arum bs & doubletalk & flipping all over the place with his logic to see what sticks with the public it seems. Its like the saying fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. Thats the underdiscussed dynamic in play with Wilder & Joshua fight talks now. And also as I've discussed there is the issue of all 3 of these men being confident daring men ultimately (Fury, Wilder & Joshua not Hearn for clarity in case of any confusion lol) & what Fury & Wilder are in the middle of secures the winner of their rematch an even better deal one has to assume. And if anyone has any doubts on Wilder or Fury lacking in confidence to win the rematch to secure the better deal I don't think they know much about high level boxers or Fury & Wilder specifically. So due to Hearn being disingenuous early on & with putting his nose into other peoples business with lies like a Arum apprentice he's opened up a whole new situation for himself to contend with & thats making his own fighter in only the 2nd most interesting fight at HW for awhile longer cuz he randomly decided to play some Arum-like game vs doing his own sh^t that made Matchroom what it is today, that made him the big boy pants wearer in the UK, that got him the DAZN deal & that gave him the confidence to make a play in the US. Old Hearn woulda had this fight made already & the details of the deal woulda been discussed AFTER the fact like reasonable & intelligent mfers do it. New Hearn needs to meditate or take a valium & relax & think about sh^t more to get back to Old Hearn. The foundation doesn't matter so to speak as long as they fight and beat Wilder and keep winning/building, people will keep paying even it it was to see him lose look at Mayweather. AJ isn't Mayweather but the HW pool is much shallower and AJ has definitely got the tools and I think bookies advantage to beat Wilder and Fury. And Hearn hasn't really flipped about that much just adjusting his negotiatimg position as you generally do going in hard and meeting in the middle somewhere, which they are heading towards eventually. In regards to sticking his nose in I think we all forget that most the quotes on here from anyone are generally in direct response to an interviewers question. In regards to Barry Hearn they have tried using him to contact Finkel with no luck. If you want examples you overlook of more disingenuous from Hearns oposition. Refusing meetings that was already booked or to send a contract for the 50 mil. Not acceptable if you're willing to give some 50 mil and arrange it so that you can legitimately offer it you don't ruin that hard work by cancelling a meeting with the person you are going to offer it to. You've got Finkle accepting terms then denying he ever did. Also said he wasn't aware of the Povetkin Mando at one point. Untimely response to what would have been quickly spotted missing venue if actually an issue. ( This was missing as the venue wasn't actually booked and was still in talks with Wembley which is why Povetkin wasn't announced straight away but Hearn provided satisfactory evidence of this to the WBA that Pvoetkin would be next) Warren adding a 30 mil rematch which Finkle and Wilder have never mentioned. Warren only willing to accept 50-50 to fight AJ despite AJ having more belts than Wilder with a larger draw and Fury getting less than 50-50 against him. BTs involvement in the AJ deals as lately confirmed by Dibella as well as Warren.

Again the problem isn't two competing stories doe. Its something people saw vs ANOTHER new story after you lied to people a few times, got proven wrong or showed to be disingenuous already. People believe with their eyes more than their ears. Hearn should know this yet he STILL keeps trying to fix his problem the same way he got into his problem. Hearn needs to go back to what works. And for him thats hyping fights & fighters via the media, not doing fight negotiations thru Kugan Cassius & random YouTube hack videos & keep business behind the scenes. Thats what suits him. That what made Eddie Eddie. Feel free to tell me all the big fights that got made in the media? However many it is its a tiny percentage vs the ones that got made behind the scenes. And yea hype can be made via public bs of all sorts, but this is making Joshua look like a dummy more than its hyping anything. This fight sells itself when it gets made cuz both these mfers look like superheros ffs. But there are more ways to hype a fight than using tactics that make your fighter look dumb. What lies exactly? Emphasis on the plural maybe it's bias but I don't see this long list Wilder fans talk about. One of the things they said that supposedly made AJ look stupid was his flat fee and low ball offers right, no rematches, no date and no venue? So they have come out and said well actually we're offering this, this and this which puts them arguments to bed. This then shifts the blame to Wilder or at least shows they tried and makes AJ come out smelling of roses to a lot of people. Like the 50 mil shifted the blame to AJ and people missed details, as they don't pay as much attention as us, that showed it maybe wasn't as easy as just collecting the paycheck and running too the bank.

So numbers from another source not the guy making the offers would be more reliable? You idiots crack me up. :lol1: Frank Warren has said Eddie was lying offer was much less. So I guess just choose who you want to believe.

Frank Warren has come out and said it was not true....so now what.

Still wont fight for 40% :rofl::rofl: He is absolutely **** scared of getting knocked out by AJ... Tbh he's right to be scared, he would get knocked out clean, the best he could hope for is a quick KO.

Wilder maybe should take 60/40 but Fury will want 50/50 or AJ getting the 40% I agree that Warren or Fury could potentially try and pull something like that but does anyone in their right mind think that's fair? Joshua set out to win all the belts, and has gone about his business professionally and has developed a massive commercial value. For our American friends on here who say that Fury is "very popular" that is true, but he is still not the draw that Joshua is, and Joshua has 4 belts and is a more exciting fighter who never talks ****. There's no way Fury gets 50/50, although if he takes Wilder's green belt you can make a case for it. You know what would be nice..? If people were able to put aside agendas and fan-boy-ism and actually say, "you know what, that's more than fair, I wanna see Wilder take teh unification fight." That won't happen though, because many humans are not wired to admit when they're wrong.

Not in deal specific talks that is what got your fighter looking like a dummy no I don't. The PR move here would be Joshua taking the lead like I said since he's the golden goose & can tell Hearn to suck his dick & Hearn would have to say "do you want it slow or sloppy sir". Or for Hearn to quit trying to keep putting a square peg in a round hole like what got them in this situation. Hearn is a great promoter. He's not good with this Arum double speak mind games sh^t. Hearn needs to make deals behind the scenes like he's basically always done & like most every other reasonable promoter does. He double parks & travels & steps over the foul line left & right with his public negotiation tactics. He's just not good at it & if he legit IS trying to make a fight this isn't how it'll get done. If what Lennox was saying was an orginal thought you might have a point, but plenty of people have been seeing what Lennox has seen. To make an analogy its not like Lennox said Joshua's mom is a hoe. We all saw Joshua's mom on her knees blowing 2 dudes. There's a difference. Fair play & I apologize if I got too disparaging in my remarks. And I'm not saying there is only one misstep here by any means. I am saying the first misstep to start us on this path was Hearn's & almost all of the missteps are Hearn's & its because he's playing against his own character here for some reason I don't even get. I've personally theorized numerous times now I think Hearn is overworked & stressed these days with all thats going on with Joshua, Sky, DAZN, Matchroom USA & just trying to keep all these pieces moving & winning. And I think therein lies most of the blame for Hearn double talking & alternating his theories, claims & offers so often. I think this is a perspective issue as are many of the debates on here, an "agree to disagree". Although Hearn does chat some nonsense I don't disbelieve him as much as you are inclined to. In spirit of your analogy, If people are sayin your Mums a hoe because they say the saw it on a certain night at a certain time (not offering a certain 30-40%) the best thing you can do is say no actually she was at my Birthday party at that night and time so it isn't true (let people know you made the offers) all Hearn needs to do is provide the photo of his Mum at his birthday party now to prove them people wrong. Also public negotiations aren't neccesarily poor choice of doing things for either side as they are clearly generating some sort of hype for the fight.

Thats just Fury talking big trying to negotiate a good deal. How can he expect 50% against AJ when he gets 40% against Wilder. Maybe the pitch is that he's bringing added value by also being British.

Thats a bs analogy to what's going on doe. If I had made bad faith negotiation tactics & offers, like I believe Hearn did & as those more critical of Joshua could say he did when he asked for 50mill & then said "syke! lol" basically then I'd have to lie in the bed that I made. The fault in the current landscape lies in the first moves made by Hearn that were disingenuous & Arumistic. This isn't merely Team Wilder taking a negative approach to Hearn for no reason. Couldn't disagree more here. Hearn's bad public moves landed Joshua looking like a dummy. Hearn isn't the guy who's gonna dig them out of it publicly. Either Joshua needs to call the shots, & I mean with an offer directly to Wilder or Fury thats clear & precise & w/o bs involved, a challenge to that fighter specifically & aggressively & with a remark putting Hearn in his place to cuz Hearn is mostly responsible for Joshua looking dumb or you just go silent til you work out something behind the scenes. Hearn isn't good at the games Arum plays. The UK doesn't seem to be about that bs as much as the US sphere is so he's not gonna save the day unfumbling the football he doesn't even know how to hold correctly. He needs to play the game that got him where he's at & its the hype fights & fighters & do deals behind the scenes not in public style that he excels at not this Arum bs. AJ is gonna get big in the US off of fighting in the US not on some sh^t a ex-HW champ said or some other outfits tactics. Don't even know wtf you are thinking with saying kinda silly stuff like this. So you don't understand the importance of PR? Questioning Hearns competence doesn't disprove Lennox's theories of AJ not wanting the fight who people seem to think hold value. Whether it comes AJ or Hearn is immaterial saying to the public you have made the offers is the best way to dispand these rumours that are damaging, whether you accept it or not. Also all your views only bias one side and do not take into account the negatives and hesistance from Wilders team to respond to each offer or providing the 50 mil of in bad faith themselves refusing to send a contract, refusing to meet and ultimately sourcing some of the funding from BT to force breach of AJ's contract with Sky. There has been a smear campain run to an extent and with Warren being involved wouldn't suprise if negotiations with AJ were supposed to fall through for Wilder to fight Fury as a master stroke smearing AJ and bolstering their fighters value. Critising Hearn for going public about and ignoring the 50 mil was made over social media and requested to be accepted publicly. The so called lowball offers for UK do not even appear to that much of a low ball since Fury Wilder was touted as the biggest HW fight only making each Wilder around the 14 mil mark in the US where the money is supposed to be that much larger. The main sticking point would be the flat part of it which should be critised but by no means is so insulting that you can no longer o business with someone especially after you accept it in public, don't sign then once WBA say the fight can no longer happen you complain and have Finkel denying ever accepting the terms. Generally you are a fair poster so I won't result to name calling or anything but I just think you are way off here. I am sure the blame for the fights not happing lies somewhere in the middle, I'd skew it towards Wilder but accept that could be because I have a horse in the race but definitely, the blame is not solely with Hearn.

Wilder fans are the dumbest.. it’s no surprise, their idol never makes sense and always contradicts himself. Wilder: “AJ is begging for the fight, he’s chasing, he’s desperate to fight me” Wilder fanboy: “AJ scared, Hearn don’t want the fight they running” Like don’t you agree with your idol? Though I don't take them serious.

this Wilderites are so tards. They believe Shelly is a saint that whatever he says or do is absolutely true. They are the biggest dummies I have ever come across. Wilder fans are the dumbest.. it’s no surprise, their idol never makes sense and always contradicts himself. Wilder: “AJ is begging for the fight, he’s chasing, he’s desperate to fight me” Wilder fanboy: “AJ scared, Hearn don’t want the fight they running” Like don’t you agree with your idol?

If he’s talking rubbish then why hasn’t Shelly come out and said it’s not true and that is a slave contract?? That’s what he normally does. You fan boys need to realise that Shelly has not come out and said it’s a bad offer because can you imagine him saying we got offered the most money ever in a60/40 but we’re not happy? Everybody would call Wilder a duck for rejecting a offer like this.. It might even be a too good of an offer! this Wilderites are so tards. They believe Shelly is a saint that whatever he says or do is absolutely true. They are the biggest dummies I have ever come across.

This is one of the tards that screams 50 mil. Now he wants to talk about fine print? :rofl: ****ing idiot. Sick to death of you nuthuggers. Eff panda is a dummy, am surprised you don't know.

Its is true:gives: Are you saying that you saw the post or AJ should donate all his money earnt since the IBF to Fury because he went on holiday and AJ put in work. For a country with a strong history against communism some of it's residents sure share the similar principles when it comes to AJ's money.

The only Nuthugger is you, got exposed about Joshua not being booed (oh you forogot that):lame: He gets exposed daily. He’s still standing in line to buy Wilder/Breazele tickets.

Lol I know. I just saw some guy trying to explain that Fury would expect more because he basically made AJ what he is today by vacating, not turning up for rematch, getting back dated bans and going on a coke binge for three years, giving the titles to AJ, butterfly effect BS. Its is true:gives: