Some very interesting stuff from Eddie here!
He will bid, "a ****ing fortune" for Wilder vs Fury if it goes to a bid.
Fury was made "a financial offer" not a split offer, to fight AJ, because that was what he asked for. If Fury wants a 60/40 split with AJ, he can have it.
Wilder could also have a 60/40 split with AJ, if he wants it.
Lol, let me do this slowly so you can understand.
From the guarantees disclosed, the split on the first fight was close to 55/45 Wilder. There's literally zero incentive for Fury/Warren to stall seemingly cordial negotiations to get a worse share on the fight and possibly lose event control. Hope that helps.
How in the world does Deontay Wilder get $33m on an April Wembley date when Klitschko and Joshua, in the biggest event to ever hit the UK, ended up splitting $43m between the two of them? Lol.
Joshua-Wilder, in the UK anyway, has a knowable maximum value that is publicly available. DAZN may want to simply blow money and pay $10m for the US rights to a fight in the afternoon, but even then, you'd only be talking about $50m, maybe.
On the first fight, we know for sure that the fight did $3.5m+ at the live gate in LA, generated $25m+ on US PPV, with the take on the UK PPV being unknown. Rumors have it that both fighters ended up earning ~$14m each on the fight, but all we can say for sure is that the event covered it's own costs and then some.
Wilder-Fury 2 in Las Vegas with MGM Resorts (at T-Mobile Arena or the MGM Grand) will likely be worth at least $10m, with the chance to basically triple that value depending on how things go. The first fight was such an event, with such an exciting finish, that it's pretty set that the rematch will do significantly better on PPV.
On just those two streams alone, clearing $25m is unlikely to be some impossibility.
40% on even a $50m take is still $20m; after both fighters allegedly getting $14m on the first fight, do you honestly think that $20m on the rematch is some longshot?
Now minus network and cable expenses because your gross means nothing when a huge percentage is taken for network and cable in the us. Wilder gets a split of nett profit from all ppv sales OVER break-even.
Wilder gets 40% of the purse against Joshua...plus a 15 million dollar guarantee. Showtime are more than welcome to buy the US rights to that fight if they outbid DAZN and Hearn has said that. if they want to put it on PPV in the afternoon , they can. Surely Wilders a big star in their eyes now after fury? No?
If you cannot see how at the end of it all, his take home would be higher than what he would gain from fighting fury...I can't help you.
It isn't like the rematch deals aren't fair either.. guaranteed on home soil in Vegas or New York etc.
He could get KO in the first round against Joshua and still get 30% in a rematch.
But nah... Fighting fury is where it's at apparently for him.
55% of the Wilder-Fury 2 pot is likely to be worth more than 40% of a Joshua-Wilder pot in April (and that's without thinking about fighting on Joshua's date in Joshua's venue, with Joshua's officials, on Joshua's broadcaster in the UK and off of Wilder's on broadcaster in the US).
60/40 would've been a great deal in the Fall, the ship has sailed on that figure after the Fury fight, and I doubt the UK is even an option if the Fury rematch with a Wilder win
When did I say Wilder should take Joshua over the Fury rematch? I'm saying the 60/40 offer isn't a bad one by any means.
Obviously if Wilder wins and the fight does good numbers, he's not going to settle for less than 50/50.
Huh? I'm saying the offers are fair RIGHT NOW ala before the second Fury fight. I specifically mentioned if Wilder wins the rematch and it does the numbers I think it will, then he can ask for a 50/50 split and probably can get one.
Where did I mention the fight taking place in the UK or America?
55% of the Wilder-Fury 2 pot is likely to be worth more than 40% of a Joshua-Wilder pot in April (and that's without thinking about fighting on Joshua's date in Joshua's venue, with Joshua's officials, on Joshua's broadcaster in the UK and off of Wilder's on broadcaster in the US).
60/40 would've been a great deal in the Fall, the ship has sailed on that figure after the Fury fight, and I doubt the UK is even an option if the Fury rematch with a Wilder win
... Why would Deontay Wilder, after two good PPVs (being conservative, let's say 500k-750k buys for Wilder-Fury 2), travel to the UK?
$10m in Las Vegas, 750k PPV buys in the US, 500k buys on BT Sport Box Office, and the Wilder-Fury 2 pot tops Joshua-Klitschko by a good amount, with Wilder getting the lion's share of that.
Unless Joshua is actually willing to short his own money (his actions here make it clear that he isn't), the UK likely no longer has claim to that fight
Huh? I'm saying the offers are fair RIGHT NOW ala before the second Fury fight. I specifically mentioned if Wilder wins the rematch and it does the numbers I think it will, then he can ask for a 50/50 split and probably can get one.
Where did I mention the fight taking place in the UK or America?
60/40 is a fair split. Said first negotiations that Wilder deserved around 30-35%. The fight is now bigger after the Fury fight and what it did on PPV.
However, if Wilder beats Fury in a rematch and it does more than double the buys the first fight did? Then he will get a 50/50 split or close to it.
So yeah, these offers are fair, however it is clear Wilder's team is interested in getting the Fury rematch finalized and vice versa. Joshua will now have to wait to get either fighter.
... Why would Deontay Wilder, after two good PPVs (being conservative, let's say 500k-750k buys for Wilder-Fury 2), travel to the UK?
$10m in Las Vegas, 750k PPV buys in the US, 500k buys on BT Sport Box Office, and the Wilder-Fury 2 pot tops Joshua-Klitschko by a good amount, with Wilder getting the lion's share of that.
Unless Joshua is actually willing to short his own money (his actions here make it clear that he isn't), the UK likely no longer has claim to that fight
When did I say it wasn't 60/40 wilder?? I said fury wants 50/50 and wilder won't be giving him another 10 unnecessarily If he gets 60 in a purse bid scenario. Are you thick?
You'really living in the biggest revisionist history I've seen by anyone in this debate.
Don't extrapolate quotes from months ago, use them out of context and then apply them to current negotiations. It's fanciful. Even if that figure were applicable now...which it isn't.. wilder still gets 33 million dollars due to his 15 million guarantee on top of that split, so he still makes much more .
As for saying what a UK fight is worth..exactly how much was the wilder fury fight worth to each fighter after network and cable splits and all other expenses? ****ing mong.
Wilder fury 2 doesn't gross what AJ wilder does. Ever....irrespective of country. Now crawl back in your hole
Lol, let me do this slowly so you can understand.
From the guarantees disclosed, the split on the first fight was close to 55/45 Wilder. There's literally zero incentive for Fury/Warren to stall seemingly cordial negotiations to get a worse share on the fight and possibly lose event control. Hope that helps.
How in the world does Deontay Wilder get $33m on an April Wembley date when Klitschko and Joshua, in the biggest event to ever hit the UK, ended up splitting $43m between the two of them? Lol.
Joshua-Wilder, in the UK anyway, has a knowable maximum value that is publicly available. DAZN may want to simply blow money and pay $10m for the US rights to a fight in the afternoon, but even then, you'd only be talking about $50m, maybe.
On the first fight, we know for sure that the fight did $3.5m+ at the live gate in LA, generated $25m+ on US PPV, with the take on the UK PPV being unknown. Rumors have it that both fighters ended up earning ~$14m each on the fight, but all we can say for sure is that the event covered it's own costs and then some.
Wilder-Fury 2 in Las Vegas with MGM Resorts (at T-Mobile Arena or the MGM Grand) will likely be worth at least $10m, with the chance to basically triple that value depending on how things go. The first fight was such an event, with such an exciting finish, that it's pretty set that the rematch will do significantly better on PPV.
On just those two streams alone, clearing $25m is unlikely to be some impossibility.
40% on even a $50m take is still $20m; after both fighters allegedly getting $14m on the first fight, do you honestly think that $20m on the rematch is some longshot?
When did I say it wasn't 60/40 wilder?? I said fury wants 50/50 and wilder won't be giving him another 10 unnecessarily If he gets 60 in a purse bid scenario. Are you thick?
You'really living in the biggest revisionist history I've seen by anyone in this debate.
Don't extrapolate quotes from months ago, use them out of context and then apply them to current negotiations. It's fanciful. Even if that figure were applicable now...which it isn't.. wilder still gets 33 million dollars due to his 15 million guarantee on top of that split, so he still makes much more .
As for saying what a UK fight is worth..exactly how much was the wilder fury fight worth to each fighter after network and cable splits and all other expenses? ****ing mong.
Wilder fury 2 doesn't gross what AJ wilder does. Ever....irrespective of country. Now crawl back in your hole
Lol, let me do this slowly so you can understand.
From the guarantees disclosed, the split on the first fight was close to 55/45 Wilder. There's literally zero incentive for Fury/Warren to stall seemingly cordial negotiations to get a worse share on the fight and possibly lose event control. Hope that helps.
How in the world does Deontay Wilder get $33m on an April Wembley date when Klitschko and Joshua, in the biggest event to ever hit the UK, ended up splitting $43m between the two of them? Lol.
Joshua-Wilder, in the UK anyway, has a knowable maximum value that is publicly available. DAZN may want to simply blow money and pay $10m for the US rights to a fight in the afternoon, but even then, you'd only be talking about $50m, maybe.
On the first fight, we know for sure that the fight did $3.5m+ at the live gate in LA, generated $25m+ on US PPV, with the take on the UK PPV being unknown. Rumors have it that both fighters ended up earning ~$14m each on the fight, but all we can say for sure is that the event covered it's own costs and then some.
Wilder-Fury 2 in Las Vegas with MGM Resorts (at T-Mobile Arena or the MGM Grand) will likely be worth at least $10m, with the chance to basically triple that value depending on how things go. The first fight was such an event, with such an exciting finish, that it's pretty set that the rematch will do significantly better on PPV.
On just those two streams alone, clearing $25m is unlikely to be some impossibility.
40% on even a $50m take is still $20m; after both fighters allegedly getting $14m on the first fight, do you honestly think that $20m on the rematch is some longshot?
The hell are you even saying here?
I'm assuming you meant to say the rematch won't do more than 500k buys? If so, I disagree there.
it's only a matter of time....
Rematch Connor do more than 500 buys.
Let's not over exaggerate things here.
The hell are you even saying here?
I'm assuming you meant to say the rematch won't do more than 500k buys? If so, I disagree there.
Nope, called the first fight spot on the buy rate. And I'm confident the rematch does in the range I stated. Could pull this up if the rematch happens next after the fight.
Rematch Connor do more than 500 buys.
Let's not over exaggerate things here.
The way you manufacture figures from you assz is amazing.
It will rather do 2mil buys.
Nope, called the first fight spot on the buy rate. And I'm confident the rematch does in the range I stated. Could pull this up if the rematch happens next after the fight.
Because the WBC is doing WBC type of things lol.
And the fight will be signed without the purse bid.
Would be interested in seeing how much Hearn would bid. I see the fight doing 700k-1M buys for the rematch so the fighters would be set to make over 20M each. Would he put a bid over 30M for the fight?
The way you manufacture figures from you assz is amazing.
It will rather do 2mil buys.
IF true, thats a fair deal. But I dont even for a second believe that either sides have had any intention on following any script other than the below:
AJ/Whyte
Wilder/Fury2
AJ/Miller (In US)
Wilder/Breazeale
*in 2020: AJ/Wilder.
I'm getting:
Wilder Fury
AJ Miller
Whyte Breazeale
AJ Fury
Once Wilder loses to Fury it's over for him. He's the worst mouthpiece in history. If I were AJ every time someone put a mic on front of my face I'd be saying "one name, one face, one champion, where are you...??"
What a phony Wilder is
The split on the purse bid is 60/40 Wilder, lol.
And Stephen Espinoza flaming Eddie Hearn on Twitter makes it pretty darn clear that your talk about any bid is silly.
A UK fight has a maximum value of $45m; that comes directly from Eddie Hearn. 40% of that is $18m. Context is key.
The $50m against 50% offer is still there for a US fight, and Wilder likely makes more money on that than taking the fight in the UK
When did I say it wasn't 60/40 wilder?? I said fury wants 50/50 and wilder won't be giving him another 10 unnecessarily If he gets 60 in a purse bid scenario. Are you thick?
You'really living in the biggest revisionist history I've seen by anyone in this debate.
Don't extrapolate quotes from months ago, use them out of context and then apply them to current negotiations. It's fanciful. Even if that figure were applicable now...which it isn't.. wilder still gets 33 million dollars due to his 15 million guarantee on top of that split, so he still makes much more .
As for saying what a UK fight is worth..exactly how much was the wilder fury fight worth to each fighter after network and cable splits and all other expenses? ****ing mong.
Wilder fury 2 doesn't gross what AJ wilder does. Ever....irrespective of country. Now crawl back in your hole
Hearn at the same event have an interview to seckbach and blueblood and stated the following offer has been given to wilder.
60/40 in Joshua's favour with a 15 million dollar guarantee for wilder.
2 way rematch clause with fight 2 in USA.
If wilder loses.. fight 2 is 70/30 in AJ's favour.
If wilder wins.. 50/50 in his favour.
That offer has been upped from an original 65/35 all other things the same.
Crickets
Thats a great deal if through, have they got back to him yet? Because i think that can still be negotiated.
Personally i think that is a crazy offer that i don't think Wilder market value deserves, if this offer is for AFTER he stops Fury then definitely yeah. Because Wilder's market value is going up every fight now.
The more Wilder wait the better for his market value, this is why i think Team Wilder has been ducking the AJ fight.
The order is for a 60/40 split unless negotiated prior for something different. You think wilder gives fury another 10 unnecessarily?
Both likely to clear north of 15 million in the rematch ? Cool.. equal to the guarantee hearn says wilder can have on top of the 40% split of the purse then.
As for US TV, hearns stated if wilder accepted the contract he's more than happy for showtime to bid on that fight. If showtime offered more money than DAZN, then US rights go to showtime. He's on record saying all of this yesterday.
Where was this offer in the fall? You mean before the value of deontay wilder went up, which Hearn also acknowledged?
You're saying
60/40 with a 15 million guarantee .
Guaranteed rematch in the states.
70/30 if he loses fight 1
50/50 if he wins fight 1
That's not a good deal for wilder?
That he makes more in a fury rematch?
Ooooohhh kaaaayy thennnn.....
The split on the purse bid is 60/40 Wilder, lol.
And Stephen Espinoza flaming Eddie Hearn on Twitter makes it pretty darn clear that your talk about any bid is silly.
A UK fight has a maximum value of $45m; that comes directly from Eddie Hearn. 40% of that is $18m. Context is key.
The $50m against 50% offer is still there for a US fight, and Wilder likely makes more money on that than taking the fight in the UK
Wilder and Fury are basically set to fight their rematch on a 50/50 split (from Las Vegas, on SHOPPV, and BT Sport Box Office; both will likely clear north of $15m on the rematch).
And that's without mention of who would get the US TV rights (Eddie Hearn thinks he's slick, lol).
Wonder where this offer was Fall 2018. Oh well; now Eddie has to hold his dick and wait. And he no longer has that "it has to be Wembley" cudgel either, lol
The order is for a 60/40 split unless negotiated prior for something different. You think wilder gives fury another 10 unnecessarily?
Both likely to clear north of 15 million in the rematch ? Cool.. equal to the guarantee hearn says wilder can have on top of the 40% split of the purse then.
As for US TV, hearns stated if wilder accepted the contract he's more than happy for showtime to bid on that fight. If showtime offered more money than DAZN, then US rights go to showtime. He's on record saying all of this yesterday.
Where was this offer in the fall? You mean before the value of deontay wilder went up, which Hearn also acknowledged?
You're saying
60/40 with a 15 million guarantee .
Guaranteed rematch in the states.
70/30 if he loses fight 1
50/50 if he wins fight 1
That's not a good deal for wilder?
That he makes more in a fury rematch?
Ooooohhh kaaaayy thennnn.....
Hearn at the same event have an interview to seckbach and blueblood and stated the following offer has been given to wilder.
60/40 in Joshua's favour with a 15 million dollar guarantee for wilder.
2 way rematch clause with fight 2 in USA.
If wilder loses.. fight 2 is 70/30 in AJ's favour.
If wilder wins.. 50/50 in his favour.
That offer has been upped from an original 65/35 all other things the same.
Crickets
Wilder and Fury are basically set to fight their rematch on a 50/50 split (from Las Vegas, on SHOPPV, and BT Sport Box Office; both will likely clear north of $15m on the rematch).
And that's without mention of who would get the US TV rights (Eddie Hearn thinks he's slick, lol).
Wonder where this offer was Fall 2018. Oh well; now Eddie has to hold his dick and wait. And he no longer has that "it has to be Wembley" cudgel either, lol
Surely they'll settle at closer to 55/45 or closer. No way they let it go to pursebids. Although that would be hilarious if Dazn got it. Imagine how smug Hearn would be. My goodness
Imagine if Arum/ESPN got it...
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