With Bivol signing to DAZN...

Any fight above 154 is MW. So the 155 lb bouts are MW fights. Yes he arguably lost to GGG but I was going off the official decision. yea, that's true...but which one of those fighters he faced at 155 are better than the top rated mws? if he decisively beat ggg, then fine, but him being the best at mw is still questionable imo.

I don't agree with canelo being unquestionably the best at mw. he's had only 2 fights there and he arguably lost both of them. all things considered, he probably is the best, but there's definitely questions. Any fight above 154 is MW. So the 155 lb bouts are MW fights. Yes he arguably lost to GGG but I was going off the official decision.

I usually refer to TBRB rankings to see who is the top in each division. Then I compare that against my perception. AJ, Usyk, Canelo are unquestionably the best at their weights IMO. TBRB supports this. There are a number of guys ahead of Bivol and Munguia at LHW and JMW in the TBRB rankings. I feel same way about Bivol but I only really have Hurd and Charlo ahead Munguia at 154. TBRB has Smith ahead of Zurdo but IMO they are equals at 168. I don't agree with canelo being unquestionably the best at mw. he's had only 2 fights there and he arguably lost both of them. all things considered, he probably is the best, but there's definitely questions.

True but they have done enough and are looking good enough that no boxer in their weight class should be rated above them. They are both near the top of their class. No I disagree strongly. There have been some impressive performances at 175 especially. Gvozdyk win over Stevenson and Alvarez win over kovalev make them the top dogs for me at the moment. They’ve definitely done enough to be rated over Bivol. At 154 Hurd beating Lara makes him the clear number one guy for me too. Beating Liam smith doesn’t quite cut it for me.

TBRB has Bivol 3rd Ring has him 3rd Boxrec has him 4th What has Bivol done to put him at #1? (And I like Bivol) Probably more so the eye test of him looking like the best to some. But that's about it. Not all that far from Spence getting the top spot at WW according to most, but he also dethroned Brook to get his spot. Bivol has a really solid win over Barrera, but that's about it at this point. Don't doubt he can compete with the top dogs, but Alvarez/Gvozdyk are coming off better wins.

True but they have done enough and are looking good enough that no boxer in their weight class should be rated above them. They are both near the top of their class. TBRB has Bivol 3rd Ring has him 3rd Boxrec has him 4th What has Bivol done to put him at #1? (And I like Bivol)

Bivol and Munguia have not done enough to be called number 1 in their divisions.True but they have done enough and are looking good enough that no boxer in their weight class should be rated above them. They are both near the top of their class.

Does DAZN have the top figter in all of the heavy divisions? HW - AJ CW - Usyk LHW - Bivol SMW - Smith MW - Canelo LMW - MunguiaWhen you put it that way I think they do. Bivol and Munguia are not for fact the best in their weight class and I think GGG is at least as good a middleweight as Canelo. I believe Bivol can beat anyone at 175 and Munguia can beat anyone at 154 but many would disagree. Anyway they have the best or one of the best boxers in all weight classes from 154 up.

Except this was a move up one weight class, not two...to a division that didn't have a #1. I mean we can't seriously consider Thurman #1 after taking a 2 year hiatus. And Spence?? His resume is even worse than Bud's. I think a good thought experiment is thinking about what the Vegas odds would be in any given fight. IMO Bud is the favourite against any WW. Spence beating Brook was sure as hell better than anything Crawford has done at WW. Would Crawford be the favorite against everyone? I don't know, but he isn't getting the best WW in the world moniker from me for beating Horn/Benavidez. Spence beating Brook was the single best win at WW from the top guys (excluding Pacman). Then it is Porter/Garcia for Thurman. Well, I mean I guess Horn over Pacman also is up there. At the very least, it was far from clear who the #1 is at WW, and that includes Crawford.

I mean Mayweather was P4P best fighter in the world but if he went up to MW, would he be considered the best MW? Garcia is rated above Spence on every P4P list, but who is the favorite in that match up? Why is Garcia not rated higher as a WW than Spence? Being P4P does not equate to being best in another weight class. You have to earn that reputation. #EarnedNotGiven (LBJ voice).....If you are a Brit you probably wouldn't know what that means, but it is a stupid catchy hashtag LeBron always uses on his tweets/posts lol. Except this was a move up one weight class, not two...to a division that didn't have a #1. I mean we can't seriously consider Thurman #1 after taking a 2 year hiatus. And Spence?? His resume is hardly anything to brag about. I think a good thought experiment is thinking about what the Vegas odds would be in any given fight. IMO Bud is the favourite against any WW.

For the life of me, I'll never understand how Bud can be considered the #1 P4P fighter in the world (or #2 to Loma), but isn't considered the best WW in the world. I mean Mayweather was P4P best fighter in the world but if he went up to MW, would he be considered the best MW? Garcia is rated above Spence on every P4P list, but who is the favorite in that match up? Why is Garcia not rated higher as a WW than Spence? Being P4P does not equate to being best in another weight class. You have to earn that reputation. #EarnedNotGiven (LBJ voice).....If you are a Brit you probably wouldn't know what that means, but it is a stupid catchy hashtag LeBron always uses on his tweets/posts lol.

Crawford is quickly showing he is the best WW exactly how? His fights against Horn and Benavidez? I'd hardly say that. For the life of me, I'll never understand how Bud can be considered the #1 P4P fighter in the world (or #2 to Loma), but isn't considered the best WW in the world.

Possibly. Althouth Bud Crawford is quickly proving to be the best at WW, despite all the other top fighters fighting on Showtime and Fox. At the end of the day, it's about performance. Crawford is quickly showing he is the best WW exactly how? His fights against Horn and Benavidez? I'd hardly say that. As for the question at hand, Alvarez currently has the best win at LHW against Kovalev. The second best or on par is Gvozdyk over Stevenson. Can't really say Bivol has shown to be the best. Did have a dominating performance against Barrera but last few performances have been really good, but unspectacular. Can't give Bivol the nod there. HW wise you can say it is Joshua or Fury for that matter. His two performances against Wlad/Wilder give him the case to being THE man, but Joshua has three belts. So don't care which way you go there. Won't argue it. Munguia best 154 pounder over Hurd? Child please, one guy has beaten Smith/Ali, other has beaten Harrison/Trout/Lara. No contest. SMW is a tough one. Smith had a very good performance against Groves, but aside from that has had a few meh performances mixed in. That is a division up in air still. Won't argue either way if you go Benavidez/Smith/Plant. MW is GGG or Canelo. If you thought GGG won both fights he is the man, and if you thought Canelo won the second one then he is the man. If you go official result obviously it is Canelo. But good chance DAZN ends up with GGG so it is a moot point really. They have majority of the top guns at MW. CW is a no brainier though Usyk may be done for good at that weight class.

I usually refer to TBRB rankings to see who is the top in each division. Then I compare that against my perception. AJ, Usyk, Canelo are unquestionably the best at their weights IMO. TBRB supports this. There are a number of guys ahead of Bivol and Munguia at LHW and JMW in the TBRB rankings. I feel same way about Bivol but I only really have Hurd and Charlo ahead Munguia at 154. TBRB has Smith ahead of Zurdo but IMO they are equals at 168. I don’t feel like zurdo has done enough to share the number one spot with smith. Smith won the tournament and beat the consensus number 1 in the division in George groves

Althouth Bud Crawford is quickly proving to be the best at WW, despite all the other top fighters fighting on Showtime and Fox. He's not and He can't without fighting top guys.

With Bivol signing with DAZN - He will not prove He's the best any time soon, with all the top fighters fighting on ESPN... Possibly. Althouth Bud Crawford is quickly proving to be the best at WW, despite all the other top fighters fighting on Showtime and Fox. At the end of the day, it's about performance.

With Bivol signing with DAZN - He will not prove He's the best any time soon, with all the top fighters fighting on ESPN...

I honestly forgot about David because he's been out for almost a year. I don't know if Fury is ahead of AJ right now. You mean just Usyk and Canelo, with AJ being debatable with Fury. yeah, I agree with Usyk and Canelo 100% with AJ being up for grabs just due to what's going on in that division (the ironic thing being that Usyk beats all 3 IMO) and yeah, David is co main on the Spence/Garcia card. Looking forward to seeing him after his layoff.

I agree with all of this, except Benevidez is the top at 168 IMO. So just AJ and Usyk, and even that's debatable (Many have Fury as the best) I honestly forgot about David because he's been out for almost a year. I don't know if Fury is ahead of AJ right now. You mean just Usyk and Canelo, with AJ being debatable with Fury.

I usually refer to TBRB rankings to see who is the top in each division. Then I compare that against my perception. AJ, Usyk, Canelo are unquestionably the best at their weights IMO. TBRB supports this. There are a number of guys ahead of Bivol and Munguia at LHW and JMW in the TBRB rankings. I feel same way about Bivol but I only really have Hurd and Charlo ahead Munguia at 154. TBRB has Smith ahead of Zurdo but IMO they are equals at 168. I agree with all of this, except Benevidez is the top at 168 IMO. So just AJ and Usyk, and even that's debatable (Many have Fury as the best)