Was thinking about this while watching Creed 2. Adonis is 5'10 210lbs, and a big deal is made about how much smaller he is than Drago who is 6'4 240lb, but in real life Drago would be considered a small heavyweight. Will we ever see a real heavyweight champion (major belt / lineal) who is under 6ft again?
If they eventually start punishing fighters for clinching. No chance until that happens. Shorter fighter can't win if he can't fight inside.
In the Chris Arreola fight in the undercard of Spence vs Garcia, the referee was having none of that holding/clinching nonsense, hopefully this is a trend ?
He's not a boxer. And I don't think I've ever seen him at an official weigh in.
Just trying to say that it is possible for a shorter man to carry that much weight and remain athletic.
John Cena is 6 feet tall and 254 pounds and hardly a cube.
He's not a boxer. And I don't think I've ever seen him at an official weigh in.
Do you think the Ultimate Warrior (all 280 pounds of him) really hailed from Parts Unknown?
Probably the biggest issue is the weight. The big boys can carry 250+ pounds and still move. At 6 foot you're going to struggle to match that mass without being a cube.
John Cena is 6 feet tall and 254 pounds and hardly a cube.
No.
Lennox ushered in the era of the Superheavyweights.
6'2" I think is the bottom end for a HW these days.
Nothing a 6 foot 73" reach man can do against someone 3-4 inches taller giving up that much in reach too.
People are saying Usyk is too small and he is a legit 6'3".
Size matters, weight divisions mater.
HWs these days are trained to stick and move, rock'em sock'em days are over.
Definitely not small. Fairly average by today's standards i think, but he's definitely a bit smaller than the current top fighters in the division though.
I'd still say 6'4", 240 lbs ripped would be on the higher end of the average there.
If you're talking purely about the big 3 of Wilder, Fury and Joshua?
Wilder is taller than him by 3" but based on his last fight would be outweighed by more than 30 lbs.
Fury is a fair deal taller but he's about 250-260 lbs with a heavy dose of flab. His muscle ratio would be nowhere near Florian's.
Joshua matches up best in pure size a couple inches taller, potentially 10 lbs heavier depending on the fight and of a similar muscle to fat ratio.
Mike Tyson, Joe Frazier, and David Tua would walk through all of these dudes calling themselves champs/contenders today, with the exception of maybe Tyson Fury.
david tua had decent handspeed and amaing power at 5'10 and about 225 lbs. carried his power late in fight and had good activity, too. his fight with ibeabuchi the record for punches thrown in a world title fight at HW, maybe even any fight ever at HW measured by compubox.
Yes if they are taught to slip punches , Bob and weave and have a good body attack. Most heavy weights are lazy they don't want to bend at the knees to slip punches prime example Stiverne he fought up right when he fought Wilder. You can't fight standing straight up when someone is 6 inches taller than you. Rocky Marconi got low to the ground to avoid punches from taller fighters . So it's up to the trainers to train them how to fight taller men and the last I looked nobody is teaching the Peek a boo style which is needed to defeat taller men
Seeing how Povetkin lit AJ up in the 1st few rounds it more or less convinced me that a prime Mike would walk through the current crop.
So it’s not a case of could a 6ft champ reign again, your just waiting for that special individual to come along
The average height of man is increasing so I say under six footers can fight better than over 6 footers. But less 6 foot heavyweights now and in future so maybe not any great ATG champs.
But I bet there will be champ under 6 foot
Maybe. I still contend that Tyson, the best version, would be a tough fight for any fighter in history. The best version of Tyson however lived and breathed boxing under the tutelage of Cus D'Amato, who also lived and breathed boxing. I was a perfect storm till D'Amato was removed from the equation. It would take that kind of dedication and also that kind of talent but I think it COULD happen
A smaller heavyweight, sure.
Under 6ft I am less sure about, the main thing is that even light heavyweights moving up are usually over 6 ft, especially the ones with the frame to support heavyweight.
Look at the light heavys and cruiserweights who moved up, or who may move up, who would then be "small" heavyweights:
Tarver
Haye
ugsyk
holyfield
-all over 6ft
Most light heavies - dawson, stevenson, kovalev, hopkins, are over 6ft.
Toney beat Ruiz but tested positive, Roy got his win with the same ruiz. That was more an anomly of a chit fighter having an abc belt that could be easily beaten by middleweights.
Will we ever have a dominant lineal / undisputed champ like Tyson again? Its possible but its hard to be a well conditioned boxer who is over 200lbs and under 6ft. If you are a short fat ass, unless youre james toney, probably wont be competitive at heavy. Prime tyson was build like a brick house, you dont see that often.
In what Universe would this guy be considered a small heavyweight?
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Deontay Wilder's lanky 209 lbs ass should be considered a small anomaly in HW
Definitely not small. Fairly average by today's standards i think, but he's definitely a bit smaller than the current top fighters in the division though.