Sorry Americans, Ukraine is now the number 1 boxing nation

No need to apologize. I think most Americans would admit that Loma and Usyk are 2 of the top 3 P4P

If they are not popular among casuals then how could they be number one. They are mostly unknowns.

Loma, Usyk and Gvodzdyk. 3 kings whipping guys in their back yard and taking home all the belts and multiple FOTY awards. Americans like Spence Thurman Davis and Crawford KNOW they will always get preferential treatment and big paydays so they just coast along and have one big fight every 5 years or something. There are exceptions like Danny Jacobs etc but usually it's like this. The Ukrainians are out for glory. Beautiful to watch. I agree that there's great fighters from Ukraine but it can't be the #1 boxing nation when they have zero notable fights there.

What a disaster of list. Monzón fought with a lot of smaller guys, out of prime, his best win was against a natural 135 pounds like Nápoles. He went life and death against Rodríguez. Benvenuti was a funcking old man. Barrera and Morales were better than Jofre. Chávez in the #8 is ridículous Barrera and Morales being better than Jofre is too hilarious and stupid to even try to talk about. You laugh at me having Monzon on my list...YOU HAVE HIM ON YOURS!!! Lol and he never, NEVER fought Rodriguez. What are you talking about? Even if he did struggle with Rodriguez if he ever fought him which he didn’t do what? Rodriguez beat about 20 ranked middleweights. Briscoe, Carter, Mims, McClure, Benton, Armstrong etc etc; etc; all whilst being heavily outweighed. It’s clear you don’t know most these guys and are in over your head and just lie like when you said Gomez got helped with fixed fights for the WBO or about Ortiz-Vaillant which you’ve never seen or read any reports of because if you had you’d laugh at your little claim. Please tell me when Monzon fought Luis Rodriguez again and how that fight went since you claim to have seen it LOL

No you have a long history of sh**t fighters. Theres no other country that produces fighters that get knocked out at world level like the UK. Congrats. A history of **** fighters that have beaten Americans the vast majority of the time over the last 40 years. So what does that make you lot then? Now crawl back under your rock and be ready to overhype the joke fighters you currently have and make excuses for why most of them are ducking the big fights out there.

That jerk is a mexican hater, a lot of other fans says the same and do the same but that jerk only see what mexicans say. And he does not know sh.it about boxing. He said that Sal Sanchez is not on the top-10 of the mexican history in Boxing. He said that Morales was not a great fighter and that Chavez is overrated :sad6: Hey muppet why do you keep saying GGG is the daddy of GGG are you finally admitting that he is Mexican?

Its called world championship boxing for a reason united we stand divided we fall

We suck at the sport? we've had many good to great fighters throughout history, so what are you talking about? Over the last 40 years Brits have beaten Americans the majority of the time. Jeez, a finished looking Fury just beat your best guy but you had to do an American special and rip him off on the cards. No you have a long history of sh**t fighters. Theres no other country that produces fighters that get knocked out at world level like the UK. Congrats.

The quality of fighters the Ukraine is producing is impressive especially for such a small country. Sh**ts all over the British excuse for why they suck at the sport. We suck at the sport? we've had many good to great fighters throughout history, so what are you talking about? Over the last 40 years Brits have beaten Americans the majority of the time. Jeez, a finished looking Fury just beat your best guy but you had to do an American special and rip him off on the cards.

The quality of fighters the Ukraine is producing is impressive especially for such a small country. Sh**ts all over the British excuse for why they suck at the sport.

Tell Loma to stop ducking American Mikey Garcia, hes in his own damn weight glass but "too big". I guess Loma could always bring a 38 year old up 2 divisions to fight him You've got that the wrong way round. Loma is ready and waiting. Garcia is the one who refuses to mention Loma. He'd even prefer to get slaughtered by a Welter than someone who is smaller than he is. That right there tells you everything.

Mexico has Carlos Licona at 105, Emanuel Navarrete and Rey Vargas at 122, Oscar Valdez and Leo Santa Cruz at 126, Miguel Berchelt at 130, Jaime Munguia at 154, Canelo at 160 and Gilberto Ramirez at 168. That's 9 champions with 10 belts. As far as Mexican-Americans there's Daniel Roman at 122, Mikey Garcia at 135, and Jose Ramirez at 140. That's 12 Mexican champions with 13 belts. As far as African-Americans go there's Gary Russell Jr. at 126, Tevin Farmer and Gervonta Davis at 130, Maurice Hooker at 140, Terence Crawford, Errol Spence, Keith Thurman and Shawn Porter at 147, Jarret Hurd and Jermell Charlo at 154, Demetrius Andrade and Daniel Jacobs at 160, and Deontay Wilder at 200+. That's 13 champions with 14 belts. That's 27 belts held by Mexicans and African-Americans. By my count all of Europe combined has 19 belts, :rofl:. And 4 of those belts belong to a black guy and an Arab (Anthony Joshua and Kal Yafai), :rofl:. Europe is the region that produces the best boxers doe, jajajajajajajajajajajajajaja!!! And one of the main reasons these Euro bums have titles is because guys Terence Crawford and Mikey Garcia vacate them, jajajajajajajajaja!!! Joshua and Yafai are still Brits. They were born and bred here so they're a product of their environment. Had they been born in the places of their parents they wouldn't have been able to fight for ****. They probably wouldn't have even started boxing. Look at the size Of the US and Mexico compared to the other nations. P4P the Euro's are the best.

They are 3 excellent champions but why do you single out the USA for your trashing? Pro boxing is a sport of individuals not a national team sport. How does Ukraine compare with Mexico, Japan, Russia and your own country? Spence, Crawford and Davis all came to your back yard and beat the hell out of your best fighters. As an American boxing fan I am a fan of many good boxers from all over the world and the country they live in makes no difference to me. You sound like you have a grudge against American boxing as so many UK fans do. If Gvodzdyk tries to take Bivol's belt I think Bivol knocks him out. Gyodzdyk owns one belt not 4 belts so don't get carried away with him just yet. Our best??? Brook was badly drained and had a serious injury but still won the first half with ease before he gassed. Walsh??? Our best??? Are you kidding me? Burns had been shot for a few fights by the time Crawford beat him. Hell, even Fury looked finished but still had enough to beat your best. That's what you call beating the others best. Not beating shot fighters. Damn.

You think Lomachenko can beat them? You're the clown. :rofl: LOL what a clown :rofl::rofl:

Cuadras destroyed the face of González because he sneaky jab and flashy combos in the fight. The best of Cuadras was the 5 rounds. False, Roman first said 1 million, the. 2. That was clearly a duck. What a disaster of list. Monzón fought with a lot of smaller guys, out of prime, his best win was against a natural 135 pounds like Nápoles. He went life and death against Rodríguez. Benvenuti was a funcking old man. Barrera and Morales were better than Jofre. Chávez in the #8 is ridículous Barrera and Morales being better than Jofre is too hilarious and stupid to even try to talk about. You laugh at me having Monzon on my list...YOU HAVE HIM ON YOURS!!! Lol and he never, NEVER fought Rodriguez. What are you talking about? Even if he did struggle with Rodriguez if he ever fought him which he didn’t do what? Rodriguez beat about 20 ranked middleweights. Briscoe, Carter, Mims, McClure, Benton, Armstrong etc etc; etc; all whilst being heavily outweighed. It’s clear you don’t know most these guys and are in over your head and just lie like when you said Gomez got helped with fixed fights for the WBO or about Ortiz-Vaillant which you’ve never seen or read any reports of because if you had you’d laugh at your little claim.

I've seen deserved winners with worse faces. That's a 10 year olds argument. Some dudes mark up more, sometimes the punishment in one round etc; etc; Why would I mention all that? I wasn't asked to give n entire history on the fight. If it wasn't a Mexican you'd say it's excuses. Chocolatito asked for $1m. Not $2m. That's a huge difference. Marquez didn't have the best win in Latin boxing. Duran did - by far. Duran's dad was Mexican-American, yes. He also never met him until late in life and had zero relationship with him. Cavez at #1 is laughable, frankly. Ortiz not even a top 3 Puerto Rican? Awful and no Eder Jofre? That's insane. I'll just assume you don't know him or haven't seen him fight so I'll not give you a hard time on that one. There's just no case to be had to not have him there based on skills, dominance, longevity and achievement. My personal top 20 1. Roberto Duran 2. Eder Jofre 3. Carlos Ortiz 4. Carlos Monzon 5. Jose Napoles 6. Kid Gavilan 7. Alexis Arguello 8. Julio Cesar Chavez 9. Luis Rodriguez 10. Ruben Olivares 11. Juan Manuel Marquez 12. Salvador Sanchez 13. Kid Chocolate 14. Wilfredo Gomez 15. Felix Trinidad 16. Wilfred Benitez 17. Vicente Saldivar 18. Marco Antonio Barrera 19. Erik Morales 20. Pascual Perez Cuadras destroyed the face of González because he sneaky jab and flashy combos in the fight. The best of Cuadras was the 5 rounds. False, Roman first said 1 million, the. 2. That was clearly a duck. What a disaster of list. Monzón fought with a lot of smaller guys, out of prime, his best win was against a natural 135 pounds like Nápoles. He went life and death against Rodríguez. Benvenuti was a funcking old man. Barrera and Morales were better than Jofre. Chávez in the #8 is ridículous

All the "experts" and historians were saying that he was the #1. It's incredible how you did not say anything about Estrada beig drained in 108 pounds, he never fought in that weight, and after that, when both were champs, Gonzalez ducked Estrada, he said "give me 2 millions", and you never said anything about that. Gonzalez only fought with two mexicans, Estrada drained in 108 pounds, is like see GGG fight in 155 against Canelo. And Cuadras, he won 115-113 the fight against a draind Estrada, and he did not deserve the win against Cuadras, if Canelo ends a fight with that kind of face, fuc...k, all the people would kill Canelo with comments.... Rosendo was better than Gonzalez, Cuadras and a drained and young Estrada fave Chocolatito hell, Estrada and Cuadras are not on the same level than Lopez, and Rosendo was the best rival of Ricardo. 1-Chavez. 2-Duran. 3-Sanchez. 4-Marquez. 5-Arguello. 6-Monzon. 7-Gomez. 8-Morales. 9-Trinidad. 10-Benitez. Marquez had the best win in the history of Latin American boxing... And Duran was 50% mexican.... No win is better than Duran over Leonard.

LOL the level if bigotry and hate in this place is unbelievable. Ya'll do only watch boxing because you try to live your pitiful life through that of the fighters that you happen to share a flag with... One thing to be patriotic, all I see here is hate. :bottle:

All the "experts" and historians were saying that he was the #1. It's incredible how you did not say anything about Estrada beig drained in 108 pounds, he never fought in that weight, and after that, when both were champs, Gonzalez ducked Estrada, he said "give me 2 millions", and you never said anything about that. Gonzalez only fought with two mexicans, Estrada drained in 108 pounds, is like see GGG fight in 155 against Canelo. And Cuadras, he won 115-113 the fight against a draind Estrada, and he did not deserve the win against Cuadras, if Canelo ends a fight with that kind of face, fuc...k, all the people would kill Canelo with comments.... Rosendo was better than Gonzalez, Cuadras and a drained and young Estrada fave Chocolatito hell, Estrada and Cuadras are not on the same level than Lopez, and Rosendo was the best rival of Ricardo. 1-Chavez. 2-Duran. 3-Sanchez. 4-Marquez. 5-Arguello. 6-Monzon. 7-Gomez. 8-Morales. 9-Trinidad. 10-Benitez. Marquez had the best win in the history of Latin American boxing... And Duran was 50% mexican.... I've seen deserved winners with worse faces. That's a 10 year olds argument. Some dudes mark up more, sometimes the punishment in one round etc; etc; Why would I mention all that? I wasn't asked to give n entire history on the fight. If it wasn't a Mexican you'd say it's excuses. Chocolatito asked for $1m. Not $2m. That's a huge difference. Marquez didn't have the best win in Latin boxing. Duran did - by far. Duran's dad was Mexican-American, yes. He also never met him until late in life and had zero relationship with him. Cavez at #1 is laughable, frankly. Ortiz not even a top 3 Puerto Rican? Awful and no Eder Jofre? That's insane. I'll just assume you don't know him or haven't seen him fight so I'll not give you a hard time on that one. There's just no case to be had to not have him there based on skills, dominance, longevity and achievement. My personal top 20 1. Roberto Duran 2. Eder Jofre 3. Carlos Ortiz 4. Carlos Monzon 5. Jose Napoles 6. Kid Gavilan 7. Alexis Arguello 8. Julio Cesar Chavez 9. Luis Rodriguez 10. Ruben Olivares 11. Juan Manuel Marquez 12. Salvador Sanchez 13. Kid Chocolate 14. Wilfredo Gomez 15. Felix Trinidad 16. Wilfred Benitez 17. Vicente Saldivar 18. Marco Antonio Barrera 19. Erik Morales 20. Pascual Perez

Well, let's bomb Ukraine then, that is if we can find it on the map 😀