Calling it now, Gvozdyk/Bivol will be a superfight for LHW throne

I think this is a fight for 2020. In my estimation Gvodyk has met his expectations with the Stevenson win after some performances were he looked bored. He'd looked incredible against Chilemba and Gonzalez and then labored in his next two. Bivol is going through that now after looking to be fast tracking to #1 then petering off a little with the last two displays. He needs a challenge. I think Gvozdyk will fight and beat Badou Jack next year which he'll be forced to fight hard in and gain a lot from and Bivol will likely get the Alvarez-Kovalev winner and maybe he shines there. Hopefully one of them can get Beterbiev at some point too. Maybe Arum throws enough money at him for Gvozdyk? Seems he's a natural sell vs. Kovalev (should he win vs. Alvarez) given their amateur history. I see Gvozdyk-Bivol for all the marbles by late 2020 or early 2021 in a hardcore fans dream fight. I'd be at that fight wherever it lands. The good thing is that there's plenty of attractive fights for both in the interim and far less political obstacles preventing fights.

No, I don't think it will be as exciting for boxing fans because niether one of them is a top p4p fighter like Spence, Bud, Mikey and Loma are nor would they be fighting for the undisputed HWT championship of the world, like Wilder/AJ. This is a solid fight that may or may not headline a card. As far as fights in the LHW division, it will not be as big as Ward/Kov because those men were considered top p4p guys as well. I like your posts, you sound like one of unbiased posters here, but right now it feels like you just look at my messages without actually reading them. Obviously not right now. But if they build up their resumes and clean the rest of the division as a result, and add Alvarez, Beterbiev, Badou Jack or Kovalev wins then it has a case to be a superfight.

While it would be a great fight (imo Alvarez>Bivol), it will never be a superfight. Too foreign, and not well promoted, in a non-glamorous division. by resume so far yes. But, I think Bivol vs Alvarez is an intresting matchup, Alvarez still isn't a true power puncher. his regular punches arent hard, he has 50% ko although his knock outs are legit knocked you out not mercy stoppages. He can turn over his punches but his regular punches don't have a lot on them he'll throw in a right punch out of no where. he cant even always land it. the reason he couldnt land it on pascal is he sparred him a life times worth. I think Alvarez is underappreicated and the Kovalev crush isnt over. I think Alvarez will be the betting favourite in the rematch despite most people thinking kovalev was winning easily and ate a lucky punch. Kovalev's promoter is talking ****, Kovalev says very little he jokes with Alvarez and doesnt look like a killer.

While it would be a great fight (imo Alvarez>Bivol), it will never be a superfight. Too foreign, and not well promoted, in a non-glamorous division.

Your comment only makes sense if you admit stevenson is better than the forum gave him credit for. If you think stevenson sucked then gvosdyk beat someone that sucked. It wasn't a prime Stevenson,but it was still a hell of a scalp to have on your record. I'd go on record saying that Stevenson was a B-B+ fighter with a devestating left hand. If you put gvozdyk and bivols best wins,you have chelimba and Stevenson,vs Barrera and Pascal. It's up for interpretation who has the better wins,but I sure as hell want to see all these guys duke it out and have one champion at the end. I'm riding with gvozdyk,but I wouldn't be surprised if any of the 3 other champions come out on top.

As for Resume the 4 champions go. Alvarez beat a better version of Pascal who was also his sparring partner for years before he retired. Finished Bute. Knocked out Kovalev Gvosydk Beat Stevenson who was better than the forum ever wanted to admit. it was a close fight at the stoppage Gvosdyk probbaly should have been up 6-4, he has an issue with range and maybe with south paws too, he might pack a little china too. Bivol has wide but boring wins over Chilemba and Pascal but it was a dug Pascal up out of retirment. Beterbiev looks great but he doesnt have a trademark win really. my order based on resumes Alvarez Gvozdyk Bivol Beterbiev. I know this forum will disagree with Alvarez because "he was losing vs kovalev and landed a miracle shot he has no chance int he rematch" Not based on Resume I think Beterbiev is the best but he probably never gets a match.

It's sad to see that people are still counting gvozdyk out. Bivol was cautious of Pascal's power until the last bell. He refused to commit to anything big for fear of being countered. Gvozdyk is on a different level that Pascal. Younger,taller,more reach,power in both hands,good footwork,and solid defence. On top of that he took Stevenson's best shots and didn't crumble. The nail will be the last one standing at 175. Your comment only makes sense if you admit stevenson is better than the forum gave him credit for. If you think stevenson sucked then gvosdyk beat someone that sucked.

Everyone predicted gvosdyk would ko stevenson early and easily. The fight was razor close (maybe because he was weary of Stevenson power) yeah he hurt Stevenson badly but he punched stevenson 20 times unanswered and considering how bad the forum claims stevenson is and how bad his chin claimed to be. Thats who he gvosdyk beat the guy everyone said sucked. Is Stevenson a good win now?

It's sad to see that people are still counting gvozdyk out. Bivol was cautious of Pascal's power until the last bell. He refused to commit to anything big for fear of being countered. Gvozdyk is on a different level that Pascal. Younger,taller,more reach,power in both hands,good footwork,and solid defence. On top of that he took Stevenson's best shots and didn't crumble. The nail will be the last one standing at 175.

You talk about super fights in terms of profit, I talk about super fights in terms of sport and competitiveness. Damn McGregor/Floyd was super fight too then. Not for me When you have two guys who got the same claim for the top spot at their weight class and they fight each other to find out who's the king of the division, that's big. Usyk/Gassiev was that fight, Canelo/Golovkin, Ward/Kovalev were these fights. Wilder/Joshua was supposed to be that fight before Tyson got back. Garcia/Loma and Spence/Bud are that kind of matchups too Only just seen this, a lot of people have probably just done the same as me and assumed you meant super fight in terms of revenue, buyrate etc. In terms of a compelling and competitive matchup, I completely agree. Absolutely fantastic fight between two high calibre boxers. That’s what this sport should be about...

You talk about super fights in terms of profit, I talk about super fights in terms of sport and competitiveness. Damn McGregor/Floyd was super fight too then. Not for me When you have two guys who got the same claim for the top spot at their weight class and they fight each other to find out who's the king of the division, that's big. Usyk/Gassiev was that fight, Canelo/Golovkin, Ward/Kovalev were these fights. Wilder/Joshua was supposed to be that fight before Tyson got back. Garcia/Loma and Spence/Bud are that kind of matchups too Duplicate post....

Disagree with what? Like where did I even say or suggest these fights will generate the same public attention as Ali and Frazier lol We had different definitions on what superfight is. I was thinking about Bud/Spence type of thing, a joy to watch for boxing fans, you were thinking of global events than bigger than sport. I talk about oranges, you talk about apples. We talk about different things so there's no point in arguing further The question is, do you believe that Gvozdyk/Bivol can eventually be as intriguing and exciting for boxing fans as Spence/Bud, Loma/Mikey and Joshua/Wilder? If your answer is yes, then you agree with the thread I don't know how we can have different definitions of what a super fight is if we are both boxing fans with an account on this site. I think its clear what a superfight is. I just think you have an outsized view of how big this fight is. No, I don't think it will be as exciting for boxing fans because niether one of them is a top p4p fighter like Spence, Bud, Mikey and Loma are nor would they be fighting for the undisputed HWT championship of the world, like Wilder/AJ. This is a solid fight that may or may not headline a card. As far as fights in the LHW division, it will not be as big as Ward/Kov because those men were considered top p4p guys as well.

It’s a great fight. I doubt it will gain enough traction and interest amongst the larger audience to become a super fight though. A WBSS involving the 4 LH champions would be epic

I just disagree. It is insane to suggest any of these fights will capture the public's attention like the true super fights I mentioned. Put it this way-Canelo/GGG wasn't a superfight and was bigger than all of these. A superfight is big for casual fans, not just boxing fans. These fights are all huge for us as fans but will not generate the type of buzz outside the sport that the fights I listed did. Yes, you can count superfights on one hand. It is hard to have supefights nowadays that the sport is more of a niche sport. I will say this-depending how things play out, maybe Wilder/AJ becomes that kind of fight but I don't see it as I'm typing this. Disagree with what? Like where did I even say or suggest these fights will generate the same public attention as Ali and Frazier lol We had different definitions on what superfight is. I was thinking about Bud/Spence type of thing, a joy to watch for boxing fans, you were thinking of global events than bigger than sport. I talk about oranges, you talk about apples. We talk about different things so there's no point in arguing further The question is, do you believe that Gvozdyk/Bivol can eventually be as intriguing and exciting for boxing fans as Spence/Bud, Loma/Mikey and Joshua/Wilder? If your answer is yes, then you agree with the thread

Your set of standards too high. Spence/Bud is a superfight, Mikey/Loma is a superfight and Gvozdyk/Bivol can be up there. I don't mean fights that make those who don't watch boxing talk. I mean fights that's big for boxing fans, not casuals. If you think of Floyd/Manny type of fights appealing to casual crowd then it's not what I meant, these types of fights you can count on one hand. Sometimes these fights that transcends the sport and all that ain't even interesting in terms of competition I just disagree. It is insane to suggest any of these fights will capture the public's attention like the true super fights I mentioned. Put it this way-Canelo/GGG wasn't a superfight and was bigger than all of these. A superfight is big for casual fans, not just boxing fans. These fights are all huge for us as fans but will not generate the type of buzz outside the sport that the fights I listed did. Yes, you can count superfights on one hand. It is hard to have supefights nowadays that the sport is more of a niche sport. I will say this-depending how things play out, maybe Wilder/AJ becomes that kind of fight but I don't see it as I'm typing this.

I’m not sure but I just think it’s pretty cool a few years ago we were all talking about Alvarez, beterbiev, Gvozdyk and Bivol and now they’re all world champions.

No I talk about superfights in terms of the notoriety and level of the men in the fight. None of those fights equals Ali/Frazier, Floyd/Manny, or Lenoard/Hagler. Even if they collectively clean out the division it will be a unification fight that may or may not headline a major card. A super fight transcends the sport. That fight wouldn't. None of the fights you list would either. The closest is Wilder/AJ and right now that isn't on the level of those fights. Your set of standards too high. Spence/Bud is a superfight, Mikey/Loma is a superfight and Gvozdyk/Bivol can be up there. I don't mean fights that make those who don't watch boxing talk. I mean fights that's big for boxing fans, not casuals. If you think of Floyd/Manny type of fights appealing to casual crowd then it's not what I meant, these types of fights you can count on one hand. Sometimes these fights that transcends the sport and all that ain't even interesting in terms of competition

You talk about super fights in terms of profit, I talk about super fights in terms of sport and competitiveness. Damn McGregor/Floyd was super fight too then. Not for me When you have two guys who got the same claim for the top spot at their weight class and they fight each other to find out who's the king of the division, that's big. Usyk/Gassiev was that fight, Canelo/Golovkin, Ward/Kovalev were these fights. Wilder/Joshua was supposed to be that fight before Tyson got back. Garcia/Loma and Spence/Bud are that kind of matchups too No I talk about superfights in terms of the notoriety and level of the men in the fight. None of those fights equals Ali/Frazier, Floyd/Manny, or Lenoard/Hagler. Even if they collectively clean out the division it will be a unification fight that may or may not headline a major card. A super fight transcends the sport. That fight wouldn't. None of the fights you list would either. The closest is Wilder/AJ and right now that isn't on the level of those fights.

Those are not super fights dude. Floyd/manny is a super fight. Loma/Mikey and Spence/Bud will be major events, but you don't get superfights unless both men are transcendent. You talk about super fights in terms of profit, I talk about super fights in terms of sport and competitiveness. Damn McGregor/Floyd was super fight too then. Not for me When you have two guys who got the same claim for the top spot at their weight class and they fight each other to find out who's the king of the division, that's big. Usyk/Gassiev was that fight, Canelo/Golovkin, Ward/Kovalev were these fights. Wilder/Joshua was supposed to be that fight before Tyson got back. Garcia/Loma and Spence/Bud are that kind of matchups too

Obviously not right now. But if they build up their resumes and clean the rest of the division as a result, and add Alvarez, Beterbiev, Badou Jack or Kovalev wins then it has a case to be a superfight. Every fight where the king of the division is determined is special. Canelo/Golovkin, Usyk/Gassiev, Ward/Kovalev. Potential Loma/Mikey and Bud/Spence matchups. I can see Bivol/Gvozdyk being in the same category eventually Those are not super fights dude. Floyd/manny is a super fight. Loma/Mikey and Spence/Bud will be major events, but you don't get superfights unless both men are transcendent.