"Too Fast" Fury vs "Sonny" Liston: Who wins?

Tyson Fury is retired mate, he is not dominating anything. How on earth can he be dominating this era, with only 2 titles defenses. I am done with this thread. Bye. retired :lol1: Fury is like Floyd, he comes and goes as he pleases, no one is a real threat to the king.

He's functional at his weight due to his physiology. Guys his size are usually proportionate in different area's. He's taking supplements because why not lol? This isn't a debate tbh, more like probing you for something reasonable and I'm not getting anything back. BOXING BILLY WALKER WEIGHT LIFTING DURING TRAINING 6 JANUARY 1962 https://www.alamy.com/boxing-billy-walker-weight-lifting-during-training-6-january-1962-image441347454.html? Protein shakes =---> PROTEIN SHAKES? You really DKSAB do you? This is what happens when people observe and never did anything athletic in their life. The human body can only process ~25 grams of protein per sitting. 15g - 30g is the suggested dosage. The rest gets washed out the kidneys. Protein shakes don't do shit unless you're trying to up your protein being mobile. Eating beef, chicken, etc is totally fine for protein consumption. We had a few champs at the gym and I've eaten dinner in their homes, spaghetti and meatballs dude lol. Blood doping was most definitely happening in the 60's and I'm pretty sure it was happening in the 40's. The Rome 1960 Olympics had a pretty big scandal on it. 1960 Sports Illustrated publishes Our Drug-Happy Athletes by George Walsh, exposing the use of amphetamines ("pep pills"), tranquilizers, cocaine and other drugs in elite sports. A guy I used to spar with ended up at the Top Rank gym in Vegas and told me some crazy stories I won't repeat about cocaine use back in the mid 80's. 1969 Sports Illustrated produces a three-part investigation about performance-enhancing drugs in sports. Sources predict that the use of such drugs will eventually explode into an epidemic. (Says former Los Angeles Dodgers team doctor Robert Kerlan, "The excessive and secretive use of drugs is likely to become a major athletic scandal, one that will shake public confidence in many sports just as the gambling scandal tarnished the reputation of basketball.") The success Ali had was because he fought like a middleweight, it's completely accepted. With that said, Tyson Fury would have dominated that era just like he's doing now. He's too big and too mobile. The only hope for him not to be dominate would be his earlier days when he wasn't as good and getting wrecked by a more experienced fighter. That dude is weird saying stuff on where does the fight take place and saying how fury had he been in 60s or son been in this era they wouldn't weigh the same or fight different why cant these trolls just see a h2h the way fighters fought weird On video shows son was easy to read slow and basic and on video shows fury wasnt slow he fights smooth he is awkward and good at defense and combos None of the other stuff matters just how people fight on video

He's functional at his weight due to his physiology. Guys his size are usually proportionate in different area's. He's taking supplements because why not lol? This isn't a debate tbh, more like probing you for something reasonable and I'm not getting anything back. BOXING BILLY WALKER WEIGHT LIFTING DURING TRAINING 6 JANUARY 1962 https://www.alamy.com/boxing-billy-w...41347454.html? Protein shakes =---> PROTEIN SHAKES? You really DKSAB do you? This is what happens when people observe and never did anything athletic in their life. The human body can only process ~25 grams of protein per sitting. 15g - 30g is the suggested dosage. The rest gets washed out the kidneys. Protein shakes don't do shit unless you're trying to up your protein being mobile. Eating beef, chicken, etc is totally fine for protein consumption. We had a few champs at the gym and I've eaten dinner in their homes, spaghetti and meatballs dude lol. Blood doping was most definitely happening in the 60's and I'm pretty sure it was happening in the 40's. The Rome 1960 Olympics had a pretty big scandal on it. 1960 Sports Illustrated publishes Our Drug-Happy Athletes by George Walsh, exposing the use of amphetamines ("pep pills"), tranquilizers, cocaine and other drugs in elite sports. A guy I used to spar with ended up at the Top Rank gym in Vegas and told me some crazy stories I won't repeat about cocaine use back in the mid 80's. 1969 Sports Illustrated produces a three-part investigation about performance-enhancing drugs in sports. Sources predict that the use of such drugs will eventually explode into an epidemic. (Says former Los Angeles Dodgers team doctor Robert Kerlan, "The excessive and secretive use of drugs is likely to become a major athletic scandal, one that will shake public confidence in many sports just as the gambling scandal tarnished the reputation of basketball.") The success Ali had was because he fought like a middleweight, it's completely accepted. With that said, Tyson Fury would have dominated that era just like he's doing now. He's too big and too mobile. The only hope for him not to be dominate would be his earlier days when he wasn't as good and getting wrecked by a more experienced fighter. Tyson Fury is retired mate, he is not dominating anything. How on earth can he be dominating this era, with only 2 titles defenses. I am done with this thread. Bye.

A lot of boxers lifted weights, old shadow boxing techniques used dumbells. He needs supplements to maintain his current condition, are you being serious??? He's got flab all around his gut. If you were talking about AJ, I wouldn't even be responding, but this is lunacy. You're just a hater that's always talking mad shit. His current condition of being 270+ pounds and functional as a boxer. Why is Tyson Fury taking supplements, and doing all this weight training routines? You have no idea why you are trying to debate with me. Old school training methodologies, did not consist of fighters dead lifting or doing all these gym based compound exercises. They did not have pre-workout stimulants, protein shakes or specialized recovery supplements. The training environment was entirely different mate.

So easting supplements is a methodology of training? And without supplements he couldn't have fought in the 60's? You do realize this reads like crazy talk right? Fury isn't doing any space-age cutting edge training techniques. Fury has incorporated body building techniques into his training, he is on the body building hype. Why is Tyson Fury taking supplements? He needs to take all these supplements to maintain his current condition. Tyson Fury has adopted modern sports science training methods. Understand, that I don't necessarily think these methods are superior. But for certain athletes, maybe they need to use such methodologies to hold it together. Tyson Fury in my opinion, without all these methods. Will not be in fighting condition at 270 + pounds. He definitely would not be weighing in at 270 + pounds. I think the Fury people would see, is the Fury from earlier on in his career. Good old fashioned Clumsy Kid.

It doesn't matter what you think h2h matches are like they are shown your not supposed to change anything cause your making a fighter fight different so no you put them how they were and you cant do that cause you don't know how anybody would fight so stop What your doing is changing fury cause you know for a fact he would destroy son cause he was to slow and easy to read and basic whats wrong with that We seen son at his best and he still was like i said he was his best fighter was ali and leotis who gave him trouble Fury moves a good amount better then ali and leotis not speed but his angle use and awkwardness fury is just more advanced then those 2 Son has no chance No mate, you are wrong. Head to head match ups, when I think about them 'Are not so straight forward'. When fights get made in present day, what happens? The two teams negotiate, then the two fighters schedule and plan their training camps. Mythical match ups, don't just happen in a instant. If they where to happen, fighters don't just appear inside a ring 'Like something out of Star Trek'. That is not how fights happen on reality. Fighters negotiate fight terms, they go through training camps, they weigh in and then they fight. So those are the processes Sonny Liston vs Tyson Fury will go through. Answer me this question then, when and where is this fight happening? Where do all this head to head match ups take place, and when? Is it present day? Because if it is present day, Sonny Liston's team are going to be exposed to modern day reality. They are going to see how Tyson Fury trains, they will become aware of new information. Note: I am not changing Tyson Fury, because I think he will destroy Sonny Liston. I think most Heavyweights these days are out of condition, and struggling. I think Fury endurance is completely overrated.

But I don't think reality works like that mate. If Sonny Liston was transported to present time? He would be a different fighter. If Tyson Fury was transported back to the 1950's and 60's, it would not be right 'If he was allowed to take with him, all of his modern sports science information, training coaches and supplements'. Tyson Fury would have to compete and train under the conditions of the fighters from those era's. Tyson Fury is a great fighter, but in reality? He has been put together, and is just about holding himself together due to modern sport science. Fury is still not really in great condition, even though he has all this expertise surrounding him. Back in the 1960's, Fury is not weighing 270 + pounds, he would probably be weighing 240 to 250 pounds maximum. In fact, Tyson Fury in his early career trained with more old school methodologies. I think Fury would be in that type of condition if he was to travel back in time. It doesn't matter what you think h2h matches are like they are shown your not supposed to change anything cause your making a fighter fight different so no you put them how they were and you cant do that cause you don't know how anybody would fight so stop What your doing is changing fury cause you know for a fact he would destroy son cause he was to slow and easy to read and basic whats wrong with that We seen son at his best and he still was like i said he was his best fighter was ali and leotis who gave him trouble Fury moves a good amount better then ali and leotis not speed but his angle use and awkwardness fury is just more advanced then those 2 Son has no chance

Fury and modern sport science are words that do not go together. Expertise lol, wth lmao. This place is crazy sometimes. I think they do mate, his training is based of such methodologies. Why do you seem to think that they don't go together? There are videos of Peter Fury showing people around his gym, opening cupboards and they were stacked full of supplements. Fury was then explaining the importance of nutrition and supplementation. I may try and find the video.

Stop cause that doesn't work and it never has we take them how they were at their best so stop changing drop fury in at his heavyweights and he destroys son you know like ali did fury fights like that him not as smooth but has some of that style and has better defense and is awkward son was slow and easy to read the man was trash compared But I don't think reality works like that mate. If Sonny Liston was transported to present time? He would be a different fighter. If Tyson Fury was transported back to the 1950's and 60's, it would not be right 'If he was allowed to take with him, all of his modern sports science information, training coaches and supplements'. Tyson Fury would have to compete and train under the conditions of the fighters from those era's. Tyson Fury is a great fighter, but in reality? He has been put together, and is just about holding himself together due to modern sport science. Fury is still not really in great condition, even though he has all this expertise surrounding him. Back in the 1960's, Fury is not weighing 270 + pounds, he would probably be weighing 240 to 250 pounds maximum. In fact, Tyson Fury in his early career trained with more old school methodologies. I think Fury would be in that type of condition if he was to travel back in time.

If the fight was staged back in the 60's. I am unsure that Tyson Fury would cope well during those times from day to day. The only way the fight can be made, is on a level playing field. Which will mean? Fury won't be able to pump himself with modern supplements and whatever else. Tyson Fury will not be weighing in at 270+ pounds in the 1960's. I cannot call the fight right about now. But I would maybe still make Fury the favorite. Fury will still try to dance and sting, but I don't think there will be much in his sting. Stop cause that doesn't work and it never has we take them how they were at their best so stop changing drop fury in at his heavyweights and he destroys son you know like ali did fury fights like that him not as smooth but has some of that style and has better defense and is awkward son was slow and easy to read the man was trash compared

If the fight was staged back in the 60's. I am unsure that Tyson Fury would cope well during those times from day to day. The only way the fight can be made, is on a level playing field. Which will mean? Fury won't be able to pump himself with modern supplements and whatever else. Tyson Fury will not be weighing in at 270+ pounds in the 1960's. I cannot call the fight right about now. But I would maybe still make Fury the favorite. Fury will still try to dance and sting, but I don't think there will be much in his sting.

Yes I do believe that Liston can and would beat the Tyson Fury that fought the Wilder. There were numerous opportunities for Wilder to hurt Fury along the ropes but Wilder threw wild looping shots that Fury saw coming a mile away. I had Wilder doing very well against Fury in that fight. I wasn't impressed by Fury in that fight. I know your a crazy person anybody can see son was like he said slow easy to read and would be destroyed you don't even see son moving good enough to land none of you do which shows how crazy you are

You really believe in your heart Liston beats Fury? I doubt Liston would even beat a good modern heavyweight let alone one of the top ones. It’s nice to romanticize but the same way Jesse Owens couldn’t compete today with top of the food chain athletes, the same goes for Liston. We’ve had 50+ years of new TELEVISED talent that puts him to shame. Even the way he moves looks slow, outdated, crude even(in a bad way). Fury is not only bigger, more skilled, and faster...but he’s 100x more fluid than Liston at 6’9 than Liston ever was. If I were a big betting man... I’d bet everything on Fury vs Liston. If there were a way to simulate everything taking into account skill and sheer fluidity, balance, and IQ...I’d say tyson wins 99.99999% of every scenario. Talk all the s hit you guys want on Wilder but he is one of the hardest punching men we will ever see....and the sheer distance he can cover because of freak athletics when he throws the right hand straigh is truly impressive. And of a man his height and reach? It’s undeniable that that straight missile from Wilder is close to a force of nature. Even beeing hit with THAT couldnt stop Fury. I literally (barring a hailmary one punch ko, the kind that happen ever 20 years) cannot envision a scenario where Fury loses. It’s almost incomprehensible. Right word is believe in there head they don't see son on video moving good enough which shows they are crazy son would be destroyed by mike to its obvious he was way to fast and great at defense

Give it up with these old timers who were "big scary monsters" in their division in the 60's by being 6'1" 218lbs LOL People need to stop romanticizing the past Its called stop being crazy these people are crazy and pretend to be blind they need help

Imagine Steve Cunningham with a super powerful jab and longer arms with ko power in both hands and accuracy with tremendous body punching power Imagine stop using that dumb quote cause Steve was skilled and moved better and wasnt slow or easy to read like son was you idiot follower

Crazy idiots say son would beat Mike cause he beat floyd who was a lhw and a basic ver of mike so that comparison is dumb and always have been mike would destroy son he was way to slow and easy to read and basic same reason fury and others would destroy son it would be a 1st round ko So everybody who said son would beat a man he never would land on is a idiot

No. I'm saying we've known for years that Fury would be far too much for Liston. - Bob Whitehurst broke his jaw. - He couldn't put away Machen (ingo did in 1 round) - he sh.it himself against Clay and threw the rematch - what could Leotis Martin do that Fury couldn't. Liston is ridiculously overrated. Even before running Wilder through the mear grinder every real Boxing fan recognized Fury as the GOAT. I agree on all points. :boxing:

Why do you need the Fury-Wilder rematch? How'd Liston do against Machen or Martin, or Clay? The only people who voted for Liston are people who've never watched him fight. I agree that a 3rd fight isn't needed. I expect another dominant Fury win.

Liston was strong and powerful hitter but his skills are no way near Fury. Fury beats him either by KO (accumulation of punches) or simply by outboxing him.

Now that the dust has settled after the Wilder mega fight....has anyone changed their mind here?