Aj needs to fight and beat ortiz impressive to keep pace with fury-wilder

Let Ortiz fight Joyce... And get royally starched out on the canvas. Then you can all state AJ is ducking Joyce. Hell Joyce could fight pianeta afterwards and get freak KO'd and people would say AJ is avoiding pianeta. Whatever suits the xenophobic agenda of alot of posters on here. Complete fannies .

Why wouldn't they if they did for Povetkin? Povetkin was a closer fight with Wilder for the book makers than Ortiz was and that is the most relevant information in predicting this. Because the Wilder/Povetkin odds were from a time Wilder was far less proven and that fight was in Russia, the most notorious country on the planet when it comes to rampant cheating in athletics. Nobody credible thought Povetkin had any chance of beating AJ. The result was a foregone conclusion. An AJ win wouldn't be such a certainty if he faced Ortiz and the odds would reflect that.

The link specifically mentioned that at one point, the odds were 25 to 1, which is exactly what I stated when you falsely cried "BS." If AJ vs Ortiz was announced tomorrow, the odds would never reach 25 to 1. Why wouldn't they if they did for Povetkin? Povetkin was a closer fight with Wilder for the book makers than Ortiz was and that is the most relevant information in predicting this.

But you supplied a link that only showed -1400, 14/1 you didn't prove anything. The link specifically mentioned that at one point, the odds were 25 to 1, which is exactly what I stated when you falsely cried "BS." If AJ vs Ortiz was announced tomorrow, the odds would never reach 25 to 1.

You can't fight Cojanu and Kauffmann then complain the elite boxers are ducking you. Title shots need to be earnt. Fight somebody like Parker or Povetkin, then if Ortiz wins he can say he deserves a shot at the top dogs. Right now he has a uninspiring resume, had a title shot and got KTFO, and has done nothing since. Joshua Whyte would sell well and I think that will be the April fight. Out of all the contenders I think Whyte deserves a title shot the most.

Exactly. Povetkin only has the puncher's chance but Ortiz can actually outbox and out-counter AJ Team AJ wants no parts of the Candyman for that exact reason

With a rematch between Fury-Wilder, AJ is now an outsider. If he wants to stay relevant, he needs to go after Ortiz. A dangerous fight but it earn him back some respect after the BS that he did this year. PS I think Ortiz beats AJ AJ just needs to stay active. Then he'll take on Wilder/Fury 2 winner. What AJ needs more than anything is for another HW contender to emerge. The fact Wilder didn't look good against Fury hurt him as much as Wilder, because a fight between then not only lost stock, it might not be possible if Fury beats Wilder in a rematch. Fury vs Aj isn't as big as AJ vs Wilder

I said the odds were 25 to 1 at one point. You said "BS." It's not BS. When AJ was favored -2500, that meant you had to bet 25 dollars to win 1 dollar. AJ vs Ortiz would be much closer. But you supplied a link that only showed -1400, 14/1 you didn't prove anything. Just forget about that the odds of Povetkin being more favoured against Wilder than Ortiz with the source YOU provided. I see your using Wilders "Speak it, Beleive it , Receive it" tactics.

Really though that only shows as a 14/1 odds if I'm understanding it. I said the odds were 25 to 1 at one point. You said "BS." It's not BS. When AJ was favored -2500, that meant you had to bet 25 dollars to win 1 dollar. AJ vs Ortiz would be much closer.

Luis Ortiz is an internet darling #Overrated

https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2018/9/21/17887084/boxing-odds-anthony-joshua-favorite-alexander-povetkin-underdog-sportsbook-gambling-betting-london Money has been coming in on both sides, however, with Joshua reaching a whopping -2500 at one point and Povetkin stretching as high as +1450. Really though that only shows as a 14/1 odds if I'm understanding it. It does show Wilder Povetkin was 50-50 (-153 to Wilder) when that came about though and Wilder was a favourite to Ortiz at -325. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/brianmazique/2018/03/03/deontay-wilder-vs-luis-ortiz-odds-and-prediction-from-saturdays-fight/amp/

Ortiz fights to the level of his competition. He did more than outbox Wilder. Look, I have no problem with Whyte or Miller...Aside from the fact that it would not be a good experience for Miller. He really has to develop more as a fighter and his style will get him creamed. Whyte had his chance at the Gold Ring, but would be a live dog for sure. I'm not convinced personally, I mean he just doesn't seem good enough to coming forward to warrant the complete package label, I think that's why he failed to finish Wilder and doesn't steam roll poor oposition. Obviously you're entitled to disagree. Fair on your views of Miller and Whyte in terms of performance I would pretty much agree there.

I would rather see Joshua fight Ortiz than Whyte or Miller tbh. I see AJ beating Ortiz in a lot better fashion than Wilder did. I doubt his critics will give him much credit for doing it though. I imagine we'd hear a lot of "Wilders leftovers" or "another old guy" if the fight actually got made.

Any fighter can clip another. Doesn't make them elite FFS. He had a title shot and failed and you think that justifies another shot with him doing **** all to earn one. Guys like Whyte have been fighting and beating top 10 HW's, why the **** should Ortiz get a shot over him? Come on Robbie, he just beat the mighty Travis Kauffman in a snoozefest in the 10th round. What more can he do?😂😂ignore these clowns.

Sorry about my sloppy post. I should have edited it but I made my point. I said AJ makes more money than Fury or Fury when I meant to say Fury or Wilder.

Is anthony Johnson still fighting? Forgot about him..

What you are saying is BS. AJ was the A side and than guy with most of the belts and most of the recognition as the best heavyweight in the world over and above Wilder and Fury before they fought each other. Now that Fury and Wilder fought to a draw AJ is suddenly an outsider who has to fight Wilder's leftover to stay relevant ? You are in a fantasy world on this. AJ is still the A side and the man with most of the titles. AJ will still make more money every fight no matter who he fights, than either Fury or Fury will make no matter who they fight. This prize fighting and it's mainly about making big money. AJ already makes very big money in the UK fight after fight. He doesn't need Wilder or Fury to make the big bucks and they need him much more than he needs them or Ortiz.

These brits are blind fans sucking AJ's d*ck. Im an AJ fan but he is avoiding threats lately. Ortiz is a threats and his fanboys want to protect AJ

AJ vs Ortiz is a decent fight, it's not this huge test that some are making it out to be. The reason he was regarded as a threat to Wilder was because of Wilder's extremely sloppy boxing and the fact that his best opponent till date was Stiverne, Flipping Stiverne. Joshua has already beaten guys as good as Ortiz and even better. When you factor that Ortiz got knocked out by Wilder and outside of Jennings never faced any real competition He'd still be something like a 15/1 or 20/1 underdog.

BS https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2018/9/21/17887084/boxing-odds-anthony-joshua-favorite-alexander-povetkin-underdog-sportsbook-gambling-betting-london Money has been coming in on both sides, however, with Joshua reaching a whopping -2500 at one point and Povetkin stretching as high as +1450.