That Round 12 "KO"!!!!

But fury did what he was supposed to do against a man with39 ko.s. What anyone would have predicted fury would need to do to win is exactly what he did. Make wilders aggression not effective. Make him miss. Wilder promised ko. He didn't get it. What boxing coaches try teach you, fury displayed it all. He looked like he knew what he was doing in there. Wilder got 2 knock-downs but fury essentially won 11.5 rounds. Even after getting up from knock-downs he was in control.And even moments leading up to knock-downs there was no suggestion a knockdown was coming. For 20 seconds in fight he was in trouble He just didn't do the most important thing, not get knocked down. I don't think fury won 11.5 but think about this if wilder only won 2 rounds at 10-8 a piece that represent 4 rounds in single points advantage. All the judges would have to do is find 2 more rounds to make it a draw for wilder. That's 4 rounds wilder had to win out of a possible 12. This is why those 2 knock downs are huge.

No a lot of fighters have said they'er ok with draw publicly. You have to understand there is a rule in boxing where the challenger has to take the champs belts. I think fury won but as I said no judge is going to let a guy win belts who was knockdown twice. I think wilder caen be beat, he is a B- boxer at best with A+ power. But fury did what he was supposed to do against a man with39 ko.s. What anyone would have predicted fury would need to do to win is exactly what he did. Make wilders aggression not effective. Make him miss. Wilder promised ko. He didn't get it. What boxing coaches try teach you, fury displayed it all. He looked like he knew what he was doing in there. Wilder got 2 knock-downs but fury essentially won 11.5 rounds. Even after getting up from knock-downs he was in control.And even moments leading up to knock-downs there was no suggestion a knockdown was coming. For 20 seconds in fight he was in trouble

There is a problem with a draw as it proves the judges were cheating and can be bought. Say what you want about the challenger has to do this and that. But at the end of the day it comes down to who wins the rounds. And there is no way in hell anyone can rewatch that fight through round 1 to 12 and score it to make Wilder earn a draw without cheating. I don't think you grasp the subjectiveness of boxing scoring. Its not a define algorithm people score fights differently. Then add in the fact that there are rules that judges go by. examples some judges score pressure think Canelo and GGG 2 people have GGG winning that fight. Some judges won't score a fighter who is back peddling think Marquez pacquiao 3. 115-110 score for wilder tho yikes......... might be cheating. I'm going to watch and score the fight tonight.

You do sound unbiased, but most think fury beat wilder decisively. A bad robb ery. Do you think it's a coincidence that most who say a draw is fair are done anonymously online? It took until the 9th round for wilder to have success. Maybe because it was getting g to easy for fury and he got complacent. Wilder is a great fighter. Do you think anyone else could beat wilder more decisively? At this level nothing comes easy. But for a ko specialist like wilder a ko is decisive victory. For a pure boxer, outboxing your opponent is decisive. Fury decisively outboxed.wilder as he is the pure boxer. He beat wilder as decisively as anyone would have expected. Fury made wilder look like a nfl player. How decisive you want it? At this level, what you saw fury do to wilder is considered decisive. One looked like he'd been doing it all his life. The other looked like he was originally a football player And took up boxing late. No a lot of fighters have said they'er ok with draw publicly. You have to understand there is a rule in boxing where the challenger has to take the champs belts. I think fury won but as I said no judge is going to let a guy win belts who was knockdown twice. I think wilder can be beat, he is a B- boxer at best with A+ power.

Huge props to Fury for some how finding a way to get up! There is no doubt it would have been a justified stoppage if the ref waves it off immediately. He was OUT COLD! "out cold" no man. Wilder was tired, fury got up with stamina, and tagged wilder. He was not out cold. By definition, BY GOD

we would've never known that. Stevenson earlier that night didn't even fall as bad as Fury. He fell and sat up, was conscious. ref waived it off immediately. then he goes into a coma. Fury went out like a light. limp. motionless. much worse optics. he's lucky nothing immediate happened. but in long term, we will wait and see if he goes into another depressive episode. If the fight was stopped, there would have been 0 debate. You've lost it

Fury was lucky to be given the full count in his case. He was asleep at 5. He was not asleep. He got hit with a good shot and took his time like a professional would.

I don't have a problem with the draw it made sense to me. I go with the old school rule the challenger has to beat the champion decisively to take his belts. I think its impossible to have a winner of a tit for tat fight when there is 2 knock downs against the challenger. A draw is the right call. You do sound unbiased, but most think fury beat wilder decisively. A bad robb ery. Do you think it's a coincidence that most who say a draw is fair are done anonymously online? It took until the 9th round for wilder to have success. Maybe because it was getting g to easy for fury and he got complacent. Wilder is a great fighter. Do you think anyone else could beat wilder more decisively? At this level nothing comes easy. But for a ko specialist like wilder a ko is decisive victory. For a pure boxer, outboxing your opponent is decisive. Fury decisively outboxed.wilder as he is the pure boxer. He beat wilder as decisively as anyone would have expected. Fury made wilder look like a nfl player. How decisive you want it? At this level, what you saw fury do to wilder is considered decisive. One looked like he'd been doing it all his life. The other looked like he was originally a football player And took up boxing late.

Ko You do sound unbiased, but most think fury beat wilder decisively. A bad robb ery. Do you think it's a coincidence that most who say a draw is fair are done anonymously online? It took until the 9th round for wilder to have success. Maybe because it was getting g to easy for fury and he got complacent.

we would've never known that. Stevenson earlier that night didn't even fall as bad as Fury. He fell and sat up, was conscious. ref waived it off immediately. then he goes into a coma. Fury went out like a light. limp. motionless. much worse optics. he's lucky nothing immediate happened. but in long term, we will wait and see if he goes into another depressive episode. If the fight was stopped, there would have been 0 debate. Maybe the ref or wilders corner should have jumped in earlier and threw in the towel for Wilder seeing as he had lost every round uo to the 8th and had took a completely one sided beating and had been absolutely outclassed. Its not right for a fighter to take such one sided punishment. We will have to wait and see if there is any effect on Wilder. Although it could be hard to tell....

You guys are forgetting some important things here, the ref's can be biased in fact they are BUT it wasn't like fury was taking damage before the knock down he might have been winning a very tit for tat type of fight. The 2 knock downs IMO were the only devastating shots. The ref made the right choice in counting in the 12 round of a fight that the guy on the canvas might be winning. I don't have a problem with the draw it made sense to me. I go with the old school rule the challenger has to beat the champion decisively to take his belts. I think its impossible to have a winner of a tit for tat fight when there is 2 knock downs against the challenger. A draw is the right call. There is a problem with a draw as it proves the judges were cheating and can be bought. Say what you want about the challenger has to do this and that. But at the end of the day it comes down to who wins the rounds. And there is no way in hell anyone can rewatch that fight through round 1 to 12 and score it to make Wilder earn a draw without cheating.

Maybe the ref or wilders corner should have jumped in earlier and threw in the towel for Wilder seeing as he had lost every round uo to the 8th and had took a completely one sided beating and had been absolutely outclassed. Its not right for a right for a fighter to take such one sided punishment. We will have to wait and see if there is any effect on Wilder. Although it could be hard to tell....

You guys are forgetting some important things here, the ref's can be biased in fact they are BUT it wasn't like fury was taking damage before the knock down he might have been winning a very tit for tat type of fight. The 2 knock downs IMO were the only devastating shots. The ref made the right choice in counting in the 12 round of a fight that the guy on the canvas might be winning. I don't have a problem with the draw it made sense to me. I go with the old school rule the challenger has to beat the champion decisively to take his belts. I think its impossible to have a winner of a tit for tat fight when there is 2 knock downs against the challenger. A draw is the right call.

Nobody would debate the stoppage if fury got up 3 seconds later completely clear eyed with his legs under him? This result has hurt you deeply. You should be happy with the gift draw wilder got and stop crying about it. You don't stop the fight when the fighter still has his senses and his eyes aren't closed or rolled back.

https://i.imgur.com/3ieQ4Or.jpg the point isn't the count. the point is Fury was asleep at 5. Groves and Jacobs both got up by 10. Yet they will go down in history as KO victim. Fury who was asleep still at 5 count, the only difference being He was shown mercy by the ref. that's the only difference. this entire controversy would be avoided if the ref waived him off. Nobody would debate that stoppage. English, Russian and Showtime broadcasters called this a KO when Fury went down. Fury was lucky to be given the full count in his case. He was asleep at 5. He was not asleep at all. Watch the video again. You can see when he goes down his eyes are intact and he is wide awake. He's taking his time to get up.

Fury legs were strong, no chicken dance like Trevor berbick. Fury wasn't vulnerable when he got up. If it had of been a long count that benefits wilder as he's either knackered or it's less time in round to ko exhausted wilder. Cunningham hurt fury more.

Huge props to Fury for some how finding a way to get up! There is no doubt it would have been a justified stoppage if the ref waves it off immediately. He was OUT COLD!

What happened after the knockdown shows that it was clearly a good decision to let Fury continue. He won the rest of the round and hurt Wilder. A knockdown count doesn't start when you want it to or before a punch lands it's when the guy is on the floor. I think Reiss counted a little quick but Fury still got up at or before 9.

We'll never hear the end. "Fury was KO'd cold, slow count" blah blah. Someone that's KO'd cold doesn't get up and start beating Wilder up. He looked exhausted, maybe being out of the ring for two years then fighting a scrub would do that. Wilder was not hurting him at all through out the fight and it really didn't look like Fury was as hurt as people are making it out to be. I thought the ref did the right thing by not stopping it.

nope. i'm good with the result. it's you hutthurt fanboys that are complaining. all you've done is create whining thread after whining thread since the fight...but yea, you're good with the result.:bottle: