George Foreman says that Wilder and Fury would've whooped him

****ing hell My **** froze and the website saved like half my work. Which, does not even make sense without the other half. This is more a tribute :lol1: to the original than a full and good post itself. :lol1: I appreciate the respect but, you know that you know what you're talking about. If I didn't see a little George and a little Marciano in Wilder I wouldn't have been such a fan. Deontay is bad at picking angles but underrated at jumping on them. When he was more successful I attributed it to style and understanding but now I'm not so sure. Look at the Fury fights for when Wilder stalks the corner. Not gets put into a corner, Wilder, in a ton of fights, chooses the corner and then makes a stand in the corner. It's a come get me play. Fury handled it greatly. Watch Szplika, he was handling it well until he didn't anymore. Either Wilder does this as part of his plan or he does this naturally, I don't know. I know Fury identified it and attacked holes in it and I know prior to Fury it was very successful for Deontay. Pay attention to how many KOs come from D being in the corner and his opponent coming to him? Loads right, Szplika being the most rememberable but peek my KO reel, it's loads. That's some Foreman ****. Not even young G, that's old G **** that. Keeping with the same situation, that's also Marciano ****. Foreman uses his angles to understand where he needs to be and how he needs to punch. He can come get you, or, he can stand right there and let you come to him. He's in control either way. Wilder's not so great at coming to get you, but, when you come for him is when he tends to land that big one. Marciano wings a poor punch and watches your response until he reckons you adjusted then wings a proper to end the fight. Marciano is not a come to me boxer, at all, he doesn't like it and does not do well with it. Wilder, whether he means to or not, often throws a punch that isn't working for him...at all...just like Marciano, until it does work for him and stops the fight. He does this more often when guys are coming to him then going away. So, Deontay missing right hands all night going into a corner to land a KO punch while his opponent closes in on him....dude, that's Marciman, Foriano, bit Rocky, bit George. That covered, I have no clue if Deontay means to, but, what sold me on him being a very good puncher, and I still believe this, is really what the truth is behind a phantom punch. A punch you can see from the audience but the boxer receiving it did not. That's really the key for George, Rocky, or Deontay. Unless they can phantom those fools they will lose. No one just stood there and got punched by George or Rocky, George and Rocky are masters of making an obvious punch seem mysterious. Masters of "the one you didn't see" even if it looks like they really should have seen it. Wilder can do it but unless he does it by will he can never master it...which is sad. Everyone saw that punch that dropped Szplika coming, except Artur. He's so close... Phantoms, name of the game, if you ain't got them you're just a boxer who hits hard. The strategy is archetypical: Over here in GOlden Gate Park they have this conservatory, Flower House. Most of the grand city parks from the eighteen hundreds have them, Druid Hill park in Baltimore, Central Park has a whole garden, Prospect Park, and here in Golden Gate... and in this flower house are these tulip like plants that are meat eaters... some of them can actually do mice and small reptiles. They thrive... They cannot chase a damn thing! impossible for obvious reasons, yet it does not diminish their situation in the least... As a cook I tell people, when nature produces sugar and fat, it will be sought! both are rare... Avocados are heavenly when ripe... pure fat, minerals and Vitamins... and sugar saps, etc... so these plants produce sugars and that is how they draw in different creatures. So to say that a great puncher understands the need to have the opponent come to him is a great thing to hone into. There is even an old saw in boxing that says "never chase a puncher." I never looked for that with these guys... It never occured to me. Its important! I see it in Marciano and I see it in Mexican fighters who variate the speed of punches deliberately. Ill look for it with Wilder. Interesting observation.

I don't believe him. In the case of Wilder is all about who gets their punches off first and how often. In the case of Tyson Fury that Kronk gym style would be all wrong for Tyson Fury. George would just as easily push him back and land his power punches on him. However, if Tyson decides to get on his bicycle to box then it would be a totally different story.due to Foreman's lack of speed and poor stamina. I don't believe him either. George had heart, power and was immensely strong. If he knocked down Fury like Wilder did either Fury wouldn't get up or George would finish him.

I don't believe him. In the case of Wilder is all about who gets their punches off first and how often. In the case of Tyson Fury that Kronk gym style would be all wrong for Tyson Fury. George would just as easily push him back and land his power punches on him. However, if Tyson decides to get on his bicycle to box then it would be a totally different story.due to Foreman's lack of speed and poor stamina.

How does this work. We compare George when he was out if his prime athletically to Fury who is at his peak??

Foreman also said something similar about Jerry Quarry. It's what Big George does, he's effusive in praise for people he most likely would have destroyed in his prime. George was in his 40s when he detonated a bomb on Michael Moorer's chin and when he came away unfazed after Holyfield launched dozen punch combinations on his head. I really don't like mythical matchups because I only truly believe what I see happen in the ring but you need to know the sport before you spout things off as evidence.

Forman might be better, that doesn't mean he beats either wilder or fury, they are just too big for him. Im curious how you correlate this statement with Ruiz destroying AJ?

Yea old George kills him even though he lost to people like Alex and was took mutiple rounds by moorer and others who wasnt half as skilled as wlad or moved as good as him keep trolling yourself idiot Frennnnnnnch Kiss my A s s Troll! Repeat and proceed!

George Foreman probably has too much chin for these kids tbh. But these technical breakdowns that avoid talking about specific technique avoid specific technique because they're coming from ****s who only know the terms for basic ****. If the full extent of your punch vocab is **** like jab, hook, overhand, uppercut, and cross....ya can't actually speak to the ****ing techniques you claim to understand. ****ers. That said, take away his chin and Foreman's more basic than Wilder. Tell me I'm wrong and we're going fright back to ****ing 2018 when my sig used to show who? Deontay and Foreman doing the same exact **** except, magically, it's Foreman who is sloppier. It's frustrating. A lot of the same clowns will talk about Wlad like as if Wlad used anything but amateur techniques. Wlad's a very technical boxer, and George Foreman relied on well formed punches and timing not his chin and power.....and I'm meant to take youse seriously like yer ****ing opinions should matter to anyone, including yourselves. Basically because youse can circlejerk confirmation bias out of one another? Nope, not impressed. Foreman was a bona fide puncher. Interest thing is, Liston who worked a lot with George didn't cut the ring down so much as use exact footwork. To Liston the idea was to get his body weight and exstension on the shots... Foreman by contrast cut the ring. This means sometimes coming in pursuit at an angle. In this respect Wilder is more similar to Liston. Wilder has faster feet by far, but Liston always always had his weight on base for his shots. Im not trying to put words in your mouth here bub :rofl::beerchug: but would it be safe to say that Foreman was a puncher? I don't know about basic, advanced, or what not... Foreman had good skills manipulating opponents into shots, and in cutting the ring. Wilder's skills are there. He gets there quick. With his reach how many quick steps from across the ring before he is in range? He uses that well. Many guys are hit before they saw him coming.

that is his nice guy old man act he also says he was afraid of tyson and lennox. well he almost fought both he started his comeback to win the title when tyson was champion and all of foremans early comeback fights the announcers are talking about tyson-foreman constantly until tyson's loss and prison time. Then consider the disputed loss to briggs, if he didnt lose to brigs he would have been facing lennox soon. He would have gotten battered at his age but he wasnt afraid of lennox or tyson like he claims.

Keep trolling yourself Keep hugging your Fury blow up doll.

George has been given to disarming hyperbole since his 2nd incarnation. I image he assumes that people's conjecture simply doesn't matter very much. Since his comeback he has maintained with conviction that Jerry Quarry would have whipped him and that he labored hard to sidestep that match. I'm a big Quarry fan, but I'm less sure than George that Jerry was his kryptonite. As to My pedestrian musings about how a 73' - 77' vintage model would do against today's line-up? Well, I think. Nobody but Ali (himself) has an easy time of it with Afro George, and in hindsight, Ali himself largely got the crap beated out of him across the length of that bout. But I also pick Fury, Wilder, W. Klitschko and Possibly even an invigorate Joshua over many of the post-Ali era stalwarts, including Norton, Snipes, Cooney, Thomas, Witherspoon, Smith, Cobb, Williams, Tubbs, Holyfield, Cooper, Bowe, Golota, Moorer, Tua, Byrd, Ibeabuchi, Valuev, Briggs, Haye, Vitali, et el. Holmes, Tyson, Lewis are another matter alltogether. Too close to call. Then...what do I know? EXACTLY! Basic psychological principles: when you really can fight, you don't need people to reaffirm it. My Karate Sensei was the most explosive hitter I ever witnessed (and fought against). He was viscious and even watching him caused a paralyzing fear until one got over it. But once he stepped out of the fighting zone? sweet, compassionate, gentle... Was the dark horse out of a bunch of well known fighters from the early eighties... you never heard his name mentioned despite his success against more well known fighters... and he never gave two shiats about that name recognition. He loved to fight and when he did you didn't want to be the opposition Big George is pulling a similar personality shuffle. He is that big teddy bear that everyone would whoop on... Sure George, and I am Attila the Hun hear me roar. Interesting aside. Norman Mailer wrote up Foreman in P l a y b o y Magazine and described his eyes as shark like... the eyes of a killer, an apex predator. My Sensei had those same eyes... very disconcerting lol.

True Anyone who beat any version of George kills Fury Keep trolling yourself

Resumes doesn't mean much when he lost most Your dumb boyism is cringe worthy. Fury is way more skilled and moved better then George ever did its all that matters to me True Anyone who beat any version of George kills Fury

Old George resume crushes Fury. Your fan boyism is cringe worthy. Resumes doesn't mean much when he lost most Your dumb boyism is cringe worthy. Fury is way more skilled and moved better then George ever did its all that matters to me

Yea old George kills him even though he lost to people like Alex and was took mutiple rounds by moorer and others who wasnt half as skilled as wlad or moved as good as him keep trolling yourself idiot Old George resume crushes Fury. Your fan boyism is cringe worthy.

Fury is the greatest heavyweight of all time. Of course he would beat Foreman On the other hand Foreman would have given Wilder cte Fury is 1 of the top best outboxers of all time its obvious he would beat george why wouldnt he if fury was way better skilled then jim and moved better and was better then ali when ali fought George Jim never would lose to george or ali so how would fury these people are so crazy its odd

Fury's best win* was a bored Wlad. Old George kills that Wlad. *The real losers are the poor saps that paid to be there. Yea old George kills him even though he lost to people like Alex and was took mutiple rounds by moorer and others who wasnt half as skilled as wlad or moved as good as him keep trolling yourself idiot

Test like jim and ali which beat him and fury moved better and had way better skills then jim and moved better then ali at the time he fought george so your lying stop trolling Fury's best win* was a bored Wlad. Old George kills that Wlad. *The real losers are the poor saps that paid to be there.

George put his skills to stiffer tests than Fury ever will. Old George can fck up everyone Fury beat in the same week. Test like jim and ali which beat him and fury moved better and had way better skills then jim and moved better then ali at the time he fought george so your lying stop trolling

he isnt better then fury at all on any level his skill was way lower and movement to what area is he better in at deontay is way to sloopy to stand a chance and fury outboxes george easy only these crazy dummies stuck in time think george could beat fury being slow and easy to read George put his skills to stiffer tests than Fury ever will. Old George can fck up everyone Fury beat in the same week.