The issue here is 10-8 scoring not judging

Yeah I actually think it might be better to not have KDs result in -1 point but instead to just award 10-8s to dominantly won rounds in general (which would take KDs into account of course)

I'm ok with the 10-8 rounds. Knocking your opponent over should be a big advantage. I'm not so ok with never scoring 10-10. We had a few rounds which were scored to Wilder and Fury by seperate judges. Really there was nothing in them but they cost Fury in the end. On one card they negated the rounds he did win clearly. By the way, having watched the fight another couple of times, I can see how the Mexican rewarded Wilder in a few of those rounds. I still don't get to his score, but I can get Wilder ahead. Its 10 point must, knockdown gets you 1 point. 10-9 is a proper score if you knock down an opponent in a round you are getting dominated in.

I think when someone gets KD even though they were winning or continue to win that round then something has to be done to compensate that boxer. Just like how 10-8 is given sometimes even when a boxer didn’t go down. Just given on the basis of conplete domination by fighter X.

I've lost bets here on Kovalev Ward, ggg Canelo 2 and now this. Although the Mexican judge was poor, I do not hate on the draw as he had to give a 10 8 round twice. Si 2 more rounds and its a draw. The issue here is that a lot of 10 8 rounds should be 10 9. Take round 9in this fight and take Round 5 in Joshua Klitscko. Both rounds were 10 9 as the fighters that got knocked down actually dominate the round. Should they look into knockdown scoring alot more and stop giving 10 8 like confetti. Thoughts I agree, 10-9 rounds would have been reasonable in this situation. the 12th Id be okay with 10-8, but the 9th, Fury won every second of the round outside of the knockdown.

I'm ok with the 10-8 rounds. Knocking your opponent over should be a big advantage. I'm not so ok with never scoring 10-10. We had a few rounds which were scored to Wilder and Fury by seperate judges. Really there was nothing in them but they cost Fury in the end. On one card they negated the rounds he did win clearly. By the way, having watched the fight another couple of times, I can see how the Mexican rewarded Wilder in a few of those rounds. I still don't get to his score, but I can get Wilder ahead.

Its not that he lost them, its the fact he lost them by 2 rounds. Wilder got out boxed for 90 percent of round 9?so why is it 10 8? OK so you think fury won the round but should have just gotten the point taken away? Making it a 9-9 round. That is a possibility too

- Boxers essentially begin the round at 10-10 - they don't gain extra points for success, they lose points for failure - Without the knockdown, Wilder comfortably loses the round 10-9 - Fury loses 2 points for being knocked down, thus ending it with 8 points - However, Fury dominated the rest of the round - Therefore, it's 9-8 to Wilder I'm not saying it's right or wrong but I think that's the logic. I think it might be a fairer way of scoring rounds with flash knockdowns. Still wrong! By reading the total scores, you can tell what happened by adding the point deductions from 120 total points. 10-9 would do in that situation.

Where did the scoring system originate from ? Why is it scored from a scale of 1-10 ? And not say 1pt for winning a round, 2pts for a KD.

Do you think fury won either of the rounds he got dropped in? I don’t think I did. Its not that he lost them, its the fact he lost them by 2 rounds. Wilder got out boxed for 90 percent of round 9?so why is it 10 8?

WTF? How does that even make sense ? - Boxers essentially begin the round at 10-10 - they don't gain extra points for success, they lose points for failure - Without the knockdown, Wilder comfortably loses the round 10-9 - Fury loses 2 points for being knocked down, thus ending it with 8 points - However, Fury dominated the rest of the round - Therefore, it's 9-8 to Wilder I'm not saying it's right or wrong but I think that's the logic. I think it might be a fairer way of scoring rounds with flash knockdowns.

The problem would be if fighters started taking knees when things got tough, knowing they could bounce back up and probably only lose the round 10-9 instead of 10-8. But that's a small thing and judges could work through it. Certainly the first knockdown last night doesn't justify losing a round by 2 points when you won 80% of it.

the issue is the 10 point must system round 9 should have been 9-8 Wilder not 10-8 WTF? How does that even make sense ?

The unofficial scorers sometimes will just do a 9-9 round. I'd say that's fair

I've lost bets here on Kovalev Ward, ggg Canelo 2 and now this. Although the Mexican judge was poor, I do not hate on the draw as he had to give a 10 8 round twice. Si 2 more rounds and its a draw. The issue here is that a lot of 10 8 rounds should be 10 9. Take round 9in this fight and take Round 5 in Joshua Klitscko. Both rounds were 10 9 as the fighters that got knocked down actually dominate the round. Should they look into knockdown scoring alot more and stop giving 10 8 like confetti. Thoughts Do you think fury won either of the rounds he got dropped in? I don’t think I did.

Stop trying to reinvent the wheel a knock down is scored 10-8 end of discussion. Best thing for a fighter to do is leave it out of the judges hands.

I've lost bets here on Kovalev Ward, ggg Canelo 2 and now this. Although the Mexican judge was poor, I do not hate on the draw as he had to give a 10 8 round twice. Si 2 more rounds and its a draw. The issue here is that a lot of 10 8 rounds should be 10 9. Take round 9in this fight and take Round 5 in Joshua Klitscko. Both rounds were 10 9 as the fighters that got knocked down actually dominate the round. Should they look into knockdown scoring alot more and stop giving 10 8 like confetti. Thoughts It is not the main issue, because the Mexican judge did not score the fight 114-114. He already had Wilder up going into the final KD, based on a three point lead on his final card. The guy was scroing for Wilder ,regardless of what was happening. Yes 10-8 may not always be representative of a round but it is not THE issue in this fight.

I've lost bets here on Kovalev Ward, ggg Canelo 2 and now this. Although the Mexican judge was poor, I do not hate on the draw as he had to give a 10 8 round twice. Si 2 more rounds and its a draw. The issue here is that a lot of 10 8 rounds should be 10 9. Take round 9in this fight and take Round 5 in Joshua Klitscko. Both rounds were 10 9 as the fighters that got knocked down actually dominate the round. Should they look into knockdown scoring alot more and stop giving 10 8 like confetti. Thoughts Two comments: Great point Green K worthy! Unfortunately when it comes to judging issues? It is like getting stabbed in the throat bleeding out, and finding a great treatment for the cut to the arm... This is about moneyed interests, the lines can't lose in Vegas any more, too much cash involved. It is corruption.

I don't think there's a problem with the scoring system, the problem is with the judges implementing it correctly. There's nothing to stop judges from scoring 10-10 rounds, but usually they don't. There's nothing to stop judges from not automatically scoring a knockdown round 10-8, but usually they don't. I could go on but maybe we need to educate judges on the scoring system better? Or maybe the new rule in UFC now where only close rounds are 10-9 and a judge can give 10-8 or 10-7 for a dominant round. Just 1 point every time for winning a no-kd round doesn't give much flexibility.

That's an issue with the judging. If a fighter comeback like that and was winning the round before the KD, they can score it 10-9 or even 10-10. http://boxingscorecards.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Pacquiao-mosley-Scorecard.jpg As with Pacquiao vs Mosley, where the ref called a knockdown. that's incredibly rare though, and saved for when a guy gets off the canvas to dominate after.

I think 10 8 is fair, everyone knows how it is scored. It wasn’t that which decided it, the judge who had wilder winning first 5 rounds?? That was the decider