if we all want to be honest, Wilder Ducked Joshua. But..

Wilder just lost to his last opponent in the opinion of 90% of people. Not even close. About 40% of ringside experts had Fury winning, about 40% had a draw, and about 20% had Wilder winning. BoxingScene compiled 14 expert opinions as well, and the percentages were consistent with the ringside experts. https://www.boxingscene.com/deontay-wilder-tyson-fury-boxing-insiders-weigh-on-scoring--134267 Total: 6 for Tyson fury, 3 for Deontay Wilder, 5 even. Fury confirmed there was a 2 way rematch clause too. They had no intention of fighting Joshua in April. But they didn't tell you that did they **** gobbler. I was the first one to report there was a two way rematch clause. But not every rematch clause is the same. Often times, in the event of a draw, the two way rematch clause is null and void. Often times, the champion is entitled to an immediate rematch, while the challenger gets their rematch after an intervening fight.

You don’t do biz over social media, and nobody is going to agree to a deal without seeing the terms and conditions. Wilder's offer was made via email and sent to Joshua, his promoter, his manager and his trainer. Had nothing to do with social media. Terms and conditions were included. Joshua was asked to confirm that 50 million would be acceptable, pending finer details, so they could meet to hammer out the finer details. Joshua turned down the 50 million, so there was no reason to meet about finer details. It was a pr stunt. Wilder knows he’s beaten. He’ll go back to fighting the likes of Brazeale, or move to cruiser, but he wants no part of AJ Joshua and Hearn both publicly admitted the offer was real, but that they preferred to take less money to fight at home. Wilder's last two opponents are currently rated #3 and #7 in Boxrec. Joshua's last two opponents are currently rated #4 and #10 in Boxrec. Seems like an odd criticism to insist Wilder will "go back" to fighting the Breazeale's of the world, when nobody at heavyweight is facing stiffer competition than he is right now.

I agree that Hearn has to give a decent slice to DW, but Wilder just doesn’t sell, even in his own country. This surely has to be considered when deciding what’s fair. Wilder keeps saying he’s worth a chop 50/50. C’mon, he’s dreaming. 60-40 for Joshua in the UK is legit. If it's Vegas then it should be 50-50

If the excuse is that Joshua didn't mean what he said, then he should have said that. He could have said, "Deontay, thank you for honoring my request to pay me $50 million to fight in the US, but when I said that, I wasn't actually serious. I was only saying that to trick my fans into thinking i wanted to fight you." If Joshua had said that, I'd have no problem with it. Sky has no control over where Joshua fights. They simply have the right to air his fights. If Joshua wants to fight in the US to make more money, Sky can't stop him. The offer is still on the table. It was never taken off the table. Not sure what you're talking about here. The "end of the day tomorrow" deadline was just a bit of gamesmanship because when Hearn offered 12.5 million, he said Wilder had to accept by the end of tomorrow. Which was ridiculous. So to stick it to Hearn, Wilder copied & pasted the language from Hearn's deadline and stuck the same deadline in his email to Joshua. Everyone knows these deadlines are nonsense and Joshua knows the deal is still on the table for 50 million to fight on SHO PPV if he wants it. Very simple. To create leverage with Sky. Can't afford to pay Joshua 50 million without maximizing the value of the rights in every territory. If you don't go to Sky with a strong bid from BT, Sky has no incentive to pay fair market value for the fight. Finkel said repeatedly there was no problem having the fight on Sky as long as Sky made a fair offer. You can't say "Give me 50 million and I'll fight tomorrow, but also, in addition to giving me 50 million, you also have to give the fight to Sky for free." That's nonsense. Whatever Sky would have paid Joshua for the fight, they should have to pay PBC instead of Joshua is getting 50 million guaranteed. How else is PBC supposed to try to make their money back? Blah blah yadda yadda yadda. You don’t do biz over social media, and nobody is going to agree to a deal without seeing the terms and conditions. It was a pr stunt. Wilder knows he’s beaten. He’ll go back to fighting the likes of Brazeale, or move to cruiser, but he wants no part of AJ

On 100 million dollar fight, id say no tp 15 mill too... Anyone would I agree that Hearn has to give a decent slice to DW, but Wilder just doesn’t sell, even in his own country. This surely has to be considered when deciding what’s fair. Wilder keeps saying he’s worth a chop 50/50. C’mon, he’s dreaming.

Hearn is on his way to the states now in yet another attempt to make it. I am not holding my breath though, I doubt Wilder or Finkel will even bother to meet him though - Wilder simply does not want this. On 100 million dollar fight, id say no tp 15 mill too... Anyone would

I'll just keep my mouth shut about all of it. Both sides have their stories. I'm not interested in those stories. I want to see them fight and when they do, I'll bet for wilder. Hearn is on his way to the states now in yet another attempt to make it. I am not holding my breath though, I doubt Wilder or Finkel will even bother to meet him though - Wilder simply does not want this.

If the excuse is that Joshua didn't mean what he said, then he should have said that. He could have said, "Deontay, thank you for honoring my request to pay me $50 million to fight in the US, but when I said that, I wasn't actually serious. I was only saying that to trick my fans into thinking i wanted to fight you." If Joshua had said that, I'd have no problem with it. You can't handle fighters contradicting themselves in the media?, thats on you I'm afraid. I could waffle on and on about Wilder saying its not about the money then about how he spent the next three months getting emotional about the money...is that not lying to the fans?. Mike Tyson wasnt really going eat Lennox Lewis's children you know :nana: If your waiting around for fighters and promoters to apologize when negotiations breakdown then I don't know what to say for you...Take a seat perhaps...rest your fingers. Sky has no control over where Joshua fights. They simply have the right to air his fights. If Joshua wants to fight in the US to make more money, Sky can't stop him. Sky can't stop him but they certainly have an input...like I've said the deal has to be right for all parties involved, especially when you have long standing and future relationships to consider. The offer is still on the table. It was never taken off the table. Not sure what you're talking about here. The "end of the day tomorrow" deadline was just a bit of gamesmanship because when Hearn offered 12.5 million, he said Wilder had to accept by the end of tomorrow. Which was ridiculous. So to stick it to Hearn, Wilder copied & pasted the language from Hearn's deadline and stuck the same deadline in his email to Joshua. Everyone knows these deadlines are nonsense and Joshua knows the deal is still on the table for 50 million to fight on SHO PPV if he wants it. Good old gamesmanship...bit like calling a press conference to show private negotiation emails... Ok I was under the impression that since joshua signed to Dazn the deal was off the table because Showtime want exclusive US streaming. Very simple. To create leverage with Sky. Can't afford to pay Joshua 50 million without maximizing the value of the rights in every territory. If you don't go to Sky with a strong bid from BT, Sky has no incentive to pay fair market value for the fight. Sky already have Joshua/matchroom to contract though...one of the major perks to having those contracts is their bottom line comes first in regards to UK PPV. Sky have invested a lot of money into Joshua why would they make a fair offer when they have manouvered thier way into a position to not have to?. Finkel said repeatedly there was no problem having the fight on Sky as long as Sky made a fair offer. You can't say "Give me 50 million and I'll fight tomorrow, but also, in addition to giving me 50 million, you also have to give the fight to Sky for free." That's nonsense. Whatever Sky would have paid Joshua for the fight, they should have to pay PBC instead of Joshua is getting 50 million guaranteed. How else is PBC supposed to try to make their money back? I don't think sky are interested in PBC profit margins, just thier own. Deontay could always wave off that little under the table thing you enlightened us about if thier really struggling :haha: For sky to maximise their profit it has to be Uk and hard sell, not the half baked job of fight promotion we've seen in the UK for the Wilder Fury fight. Thank you for being civil by the way...

OK, so Joshua is stupid as hell Well, if being stupid drive him to be the unified champion, it's a great and unprecedented achievements. I wonder what the wise one's have been doing hiding behind their manager.

wilder has the aj/uk/ee fanboys going looney this week -story of how wilder is giving some tix away to firefighters "omg wilder is giving away like 5k tix...nobody has actually paid for a ticket wilder is giving away all the tix" tyson fury is in la to fight wilder in wilders home country to replenish his bank account "omg wilder is such an unknown" fury makes a video where people dont know wilder...of course it was filmed in LA the land of staged show biz... "omg see fury proved it omg nobody knows beyonce...more people know fury" wilder mouths off at presser to sell the fight...hardly the first time this has been done "omg look at how shook wilder is...hes out of character...fury the master is playing mind tricks on him omg" hahahaha...what a bunch of clowns come sunday and next week yall will be back on your BS about how fury is a shell of his former self and a cherrypick and not a good win ...its great wilder is going to be your lineal champ....then hes going to the uk to beat the champion of your weak hearts.....and when hes done with that he just might have a baby

Ah ok , I didn't realise business was done on IFL video... If the excuse is that Joshua didn't mean what he said, then he should have said that. He could have said, "Deontay, thank you for honoring my request to pay me $50 million to fight in the US, but when I said that, I wasn't actually serious. I was only saying that to trick my fans into thinking i wanted to fight you." If Joshua had said that, I'd have no problem with it. matchroom already have a deal in place with Sky and Joshua a deal with matchroom, so the 50 mill had to be right with all parties. Sky don't want the first fight in the US, it will effect thier PPV ie revenue Sky has no control over where Joshua fights. They simply have the right to air his fights. If Joshua wants to fight in the US to make more money, Sky can't stop him. Personally I believe it wasn't entirely genuine or the "offer" wouldn't of been taken off the table so quickly. The offer is still on the table. It was never taken off the table. Not sure what you're talking about here. The "end of the day tomorrow" deadline was just a bit of gamesmanship because when Hearn offered 12.5 million, he said Wilder had to accept by the end of tomorrow. Which was ridiculous. So to stick it to Hearn, Wilder copied & pasted the language from Hearn's deadline and stuck the same deadline in his email to Joshua. Everyone knows these deadlines are nonsense and Joshua knows the deal is still on the table for 50 million to fight on SHO PPV if he wants it. I'm not sure why Finkel chose to involve Warren Very simple. To create leverage with Sky. Can't afford to pay Joshua 50 million without maximizing the value of the rights in every territory. If you don't go to Sky with a strong bid from BT, Sky has no incentive to pay fair market value for the fight. Finkel said repeatedly there was no problem having the fight on Sky as long as Sky made a fair offer. You can't say "Give me 50 million and I'll fight tomorrow, but also, in addition to giving me 50 million, you also have to give the fight to Sky for free." That's nonsense. Whatever Sky would have paid Joshua for the fight, they should have to pay PBC instead of Joshua is getting 50 million guaranteed. How else is PBC supposed to try to make their money back?

So AJ said, hey, I don't believe the fight is really worth 100 in the US, but if it is, give me 50 up front and I'll do it. Finkel called his bluff and offered the 50 and then AJ refused to keep his word. Ah ok , I didn't realise business was done on IFL video... The arguement is to circular for me to be bothered with but I will say this, the 50 million Proposal may have been real but the UK PPV issue needed to be sorted out...matchroom already have a deal in place with Sky and Joshua a deal with matchroom, so the 50 mill had to be right with all parties. Sky don't want the first fight in the US, it will effect thier PPV ie revenue and thier plan and projections going forward in regards to thier sports division. So to cut along story short negotiations would of been needed to turn that proposal into an offer that was acceptable for all parties. Personally I believe it wasn't entirely genuine or the "offer" wouldn't of been taken off the table so quickly. I'm not sure why Finkel chose to involve Warren...I know the narrative but I still don't understand why you take financial advice off a guy who may have to file for bankruptcy, a guy with so many agendas and ulterior motives. Can team Wilder not do thier own due dilligence? Or was the fury fight already being negotiated behind closed doors and a smear campaign and smokescreen deployed for PR?.

For the fact that AJ never mentioned he will fight wilder in the US, you didn't need to assume to write it as a fact. There you are wrong. Now we already every details of the fight in date and venue. The only thing remaining is to sort out the financial aspect and no excuses. OK, so Joshua is stupid as hell

If we want to be honest, two top heavyweight champs are fighting this Saturday. The other guy ducked them both. AJ is a paper champion until he faces the winner of this fight.

They both say a lot of things...I'm not in the habit of believing people with agendas, especially financial agendas. So AJ said, hey, I don't believe the fight is really worth 100 in the US, but if it is, give me 50 up front and I'll do it. Finkel called his bluff and offered the 50 and then AJ refused to keep his word.

Hearn says it's a 40 million dollar fight in the UK. Finkel says it's a 100 million dollar fight in the US. That's a huge difference. They both say a lot of things...I'm not in the habit of believing people with agendas, especially financial agendas.

LIAR! https://www.boxingscene.com/hearn-50m-offer-bluff-wilders-team-meet-me--127574 I also found this quote prior to the time frame above. “Look, if he really wants to make the fight why not say lets sit down and talk when you are in New York the week of the Danny Jacobs fight at the Barclays Center in New York?” S. Finkel March 2018 Why are you on this site really? how aren't you banned ? Ha The only person that ever said a meeting was canceled was Hearn. Just his usual propaganda. Finkel never canceled a scheduled meeting.

haha look man. make whatever arguments you want, and twist whatever facts you like. you've already been established as a fraud anyway. just don't act like you don't support anyone. If I was twisting facts, you'd be countering my position instead of changing the subject and attacking me personally. I couldn't care less who the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world is, as long as there is one. Interest in boxing always increases when there's an undisputed heavyweight champion and all levels of the business benefit from it.

AJ never at any point say he will fight wilder in the US He didn't ever make that much money on UK, if you say he didn't imply it would be in the US you are calling him helplessly stupid rumour has it that the last contract sent is in % With open date and venue implying it would be next year what OP pointed out from the start It's obvious why you think it's difficult to be honest For the fact that AJ never mentioned he will fight wilder in the US, you didn't need to assume to write it as a fact. There you are wrong. Now we already every details of the fight in date and venue. The only thing remaining is to sort out the financial aspect and no excuses.

True that's why he went against all logic and threw Joshua in with Klitchko who's never lost twice in a row in his 19th fight ? That protected Joshua what a fraidy cat that Hearn is :burnout: Klitschko was old and had already lost to Furry, so that's not a very good example. The fight was still a risk of course and an impressive win for Joshua. I think Hearn wants a higher reward for the risk Wilder presents, but Wilder wasn't going to give them that high of a percentage. That fight just needs more time before its made.