Mayweather joshua

Now that the path from wilder to Joshua is getting shorter I can't help but notice the very noticeable double standards some fans are so obviously using in their "why I don't want aj to fight wilder debate." And what is it? MONEY. What they hate maweather for doing they are suggesting Joshua do the same, encouraging it. AJ doesn't need wilder to make 20 million, so why should aj fight the best when he can fight ANYBODY and make the same amount. Low risk high reward. When mayweather gave pacquiao a flat fee offer that would be a career high payday, people were insulted! Defended Manny for not accepting it, and rightfully so. Now wilder is offered a flat fee, which also happens to be career high pay day, and before any one even knows what type of money Joshua wilder will generate youre telling him he is a fool and duck for not signing immediately. Now it's no longer important to fight wilder because Joshua has endorsement deals. Joshuas money has some how become a shield for blocking the fight. Well, it shouldn't be. True, for the time being, Aj can make $20 million fighting anyone, but fighting just any one that's not what the best does. That's not what champions do. He may be able to make 20 million to get in the ring with anyone, but he will only unify, become undisputed champion by getting a victory over wilder. And as fans isnt that what we live for? Best vs best. ONE champion. It will be a career high payday for wilder, but it will also be one for Aj. And if money is truley important then the fight should be staged in America where stretching the fight across two nations will maximize the revenue. I thought no one cares about maywesthers purse guarantee. When he posts his fight checks it's cring worthy. He's called sad and Insecure even though his checks are 4x the amount of Joshua which seem to all of the sudden become impressive. The responsibility was placed on Floyd for the pac fight being dragged across 5 years. Floyd was the A side so the consensus was he had to be the hold up. I thought it was a champions duty to fight the best regardless of pay out. AJ is the a side. It is up to him to do the same thing that was expected of mayweather, cut the shlt and make the fight. I for one am tired of the marinating. We lost to many dream matches that we can now only discuss as fantasy fights. We are calling for davis/Loma, Spence/Crawford, canelo/ and insert who ever is the flavor of the week. It's time to call for Joshua wilder, or we can wait until they lose a step. Wait until someone loses and say only if. Maybe it's naive of me to not focus on the fighters money, but I have enough trouble balancing my own checkbook, there's no way I can focus on someelses finances. AJ and wilder have managers, advisors and accountants. They will figure out the spilt. Our conern shouldn't be a fair spilt, our only concern should be it's a fair fight

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It's not on record. It was a claim made by Yahoo that spoke to a 50/50 deal. Show me the contract that said 50/50 in any year. Whether 2009, 2001, 2012. There wasn't any. "Manny Pacquiao has signed a contract to fight Floyd Mayweather Jr. in boxing's biggest fight on March 13, a source with knowledge of the meeting told ESPN.com on Friday night. Pacquiao and promotor Bob Arum met for two hours Friday to discuss the proposed deal, according to Pacquiao adviser Michael Koncz, who told The Associated Press that "Manny has some additional requirements, requests, which Arum didn't think was a problem. "The requests of Manny were so realistic that Arum doesn't feel it's a problem and it's pretty much a done deal," Koncz said. Later Friday it became a done deal, at least on the Pacquiao side, when he signed the paperwork, the source said. Mayweather had previously agreed to terms with Golden Boy Promotions, his promoter for the HBO PPV fight, but it was unclear if he had signed a contract. The source also disclosed other aspects of the fight, which will take place at the welterweight limit of 147 pounds for Pacquiao's title and match the top two fighters in the world, pound-for-pound. The camps agreed to a 50-50 split of the money, which could be gargantuan. Many experts expect the fight to eclipse the all-time pay-per-view record for sales, which is the 2.44 million buys generated by Mayweather's 2007 victory against Oscar De La Hoya." http://www.espn.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4715684

7y ago

GhostofDempsey

Again, you are referring to 2012. Not 2009. 2009 negotiations lead to both teams agreeing to 50/50 it is literally right there on record in the post you quoted. It's not on record. It was a claim made by Yahoo that spoke to a 50/50 deal. Show me the contract that said 50/50 in any year. Whether 2009, 2001, 2012. There wasn't any.

7y ago

LacedUp

I literally see no one saying AJ shouldn't fight Wilder. :lol1: Everyone on AJs side, incl his fans, manager, promoter and himself want it. Wilder and his fans keep saying AJ is ducking :lol1:

7y ago

IronDanHamza

Pretty sure I know whose racist alt you are. But according to the people who would know about a 50/50 deal... Richard Schaefer, who was then the CEO of Golden Boy Promotions, denied ever sending the deal. Leonard Ellerbe, the CEO of Mayweather Promotions, also called the report nonsense Again, you are referring to 2012. Not 2009. 2009 negotiations lead to both teams agreeing to 50/50 it is literally right there on record in the post you quoted.

7y ago

IronDanHamza

Yet, AJ is still earned $15M to fight Takam, and over 75K fans showed up...you telling me just as many of them paid to see Takam? There was no 50/50 agreement. There was a claim by Yahoo that they had "documents" that spoke of an agreement, yet they never publicly posted a 50/50 contract and Mayweather's promoters denied it was ever offered. But somehow, fans know more than Ellerbe? His fans have made excuses for him his entire career and they still do to this day. Right and what's AJ's gate numbers? A lot less than any of Floyd's top however many. Whatever AJ did with Takam he will triple when he fights the Wilder-Fury winner you know why? Because that's what happens when two big names fight. Big name vs big name = more sales. Common sense. To say "Floyd only does his highest numbers when he fights another draw" as some kind of knock on his drawing power is just not logical at all. The same can be said for literally anyone. All the top 4 highest earning PPV's fights in the history of PPV involve Floyd. So if that's not an indicator of his drawing ability I'm not sure what is. You are talking about the 2012 "negotiations" that Ellerbe denied happened. Totally seperate to 2009 where both teams agreed to 50/50 and that was on record by both teams.

7y ago

GhostofDempsey

Any big PPV fight has just as much to do with the opponent. It takes two to tango. That's like saying Mike Tyson only drew massive numbers because of his opponents like Holyfield and Lewis. It's illogical and makes no sense. Tyson was a massive the same way Floyd is obviously a massive draw. Obviously the biggest numbers are going to be when two big names fight each other. And for the record yes there was an agreement for a 50/50 split but not in 2011 in 2009 and both agreed to that 50/50 split. Yet, AJ is still earned $15M to fight Takam, and over 75K fans showed up...you telling me just as many of them paid to see Takam? There was no 50/50 agreement. There was a claim by Yahoo that they had "documents" that spoke of an agreement, yet they never publicly posted a 50/50 contract and Mayweather's promoters denied it was ever offered. But somehow, fans know more than Ellerbe? His fans have made excuses for him his entire career and they still do to this day.

7y ago

IronDanHamza

7y ago

WarHagler

Ghost is one of those black people that hates black people then. And he voted for Trump. And he's a complete idiot Dude is ass Yeah dudes a straight up uncle tom

7y ago

Kezzer

I’m not sure I’ve seen anyone say AJ shouldn’t fight wilder? But to the point re money, AJ is the a side and will be dictating a number of items like location, pay, etc. wilder either sucks up and takes it like other fights who are the b side or it won’t happen. Anyone who claims Joshua is ducking just needs to look at history. Wilder has. Had forty odd fights and only Ortiz can be considered a challenge, even he has never beat anyone else in top20. Wilder also openly refused to take on Klitschko because he wasn’t ready. Wilder also never took up the chance to unify despite becoming champion long before Joshua. Joshua on the other hand has continued to take decent fights. Outside of Ortiz it probably isn’t a debate that the following opponents were all higher than any other of wilder opponents. Parker, Whyte, Klitschko, Takam and Povetkin. You might even argue Brezeale too. Joshua has the cards and if wilder wants the fight he will accept his biggest pay day BT should Joshua take any offer, of course he shouldn’t. Joshua could easily take on Whyte, Ortiz, Usyk, Ward, Klitschko or Miller and fans would watch it - the reason being that he has continue to take on high level opponents and has time on his side. He still isn’t 30 and we want all these sort of fights anyway. So the summary is that really the ball is in Wilders court if he wants the fight to make it happy and yes he might need to bend over in some cases but that’s no different to many other fighters who have to do it - sorry that it’s the American in this scenario.

7y ago

WarHagler

Ghosts is a clown and a white supremacist. And he's wrong at least 90% of the time. Floyd offered the fight and agreed to a ludicrous weight penalty of $10 million/pound over 147 (never heard of before). To counter Floyd demanded additional drug testing. Manny couldn't come to terms with that...I would say "you figure out the rest", but your hatred for blacks plagues your thought process. ----- "Reports from ESPN.com state that Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Shaefer has revealed that the fight would be fought at 147 pounds, and that the penalty for coming in over weight would be a whopping $10 million per pound. The huge penalty was called for by members of the Pacquaio camp, after Mayweather ignored the contract limit of 144 pounds in his last fight with Juan Manuel Marquez and weighed-in at 146. Mayweather won that fight by unanimous decision." https://lasvegassun.com/news/2009/dec/23/mayweatherpacquiao-fight-air-after-disagreement-ov/ ----- "Kevin Iole of Yahoo Sports reported in 2012 that Mayweather and Pacquiao came within a whisker of settling their differences with a 2010 fight. All the details were worked out, including the date, a 50-50 purse split, who would receive top billing on promotional materials and the order in which the men would enter the ring and be announced to the crowd. But it all came apart over Pacquiao's objections to Mayweather's demands for strict, random blood testing, which promoter Bob Arum claimed, per David Mayo of MLive.com, was to be implemented right up to the weigh in" ----- "A contract sent on Dec. 11, 2009, by Golden Boy Promotions on behalf of Mayweather to Top Rank on behalf of Pacquiao proposed a 50-50 financial split between the sides for a fight that would have been held March 13, 2010." https://sports.yahoo.com/news/boxing--floyd-mayweather-and-manny-pacquiao-nearly-agreed-to-a-2010-fight.html https://www.************.com/2011/11/mayweather-v-pacquiao-time-for-some-common-sense/ https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2329287-complete-timeline-of-the-floyd-mayweather-jr-manny-pacquiao-saga Another white supremacist DOWN! I agree with everything you said but ghost is black .

7y ago

Lopez_Boxing

I think its merely an increase in the hardcore fans boxing intelligence with all this down time from regularly scheduled big fights going down. Its a part of the consideration just like how if fighter A is with DAZN & fighter B is with Top Rank the fight is just gonna be harder to make & we all know this (or most of us anyway) & accept this now. So if Joshua vs Wilder makes sense tomorrow I think we can see why with an increase of Q scores over the next couple years why that fight makes more sense in 2020 when Joshua is even huger & Wilder has a bigger name. For this fight specifically I do have issues with the unbeatability of both guys so I think marinating it til 2020 is problematic for that reason, but the overall strategy checks out. If its with x today it'll be worth x + whatever $ more in 2020. So I disagree with the overall stance that guys aren't "up for risk" so much that fighters are trying to maximize upside which I would agree does deal with some involvement in minimizing risk although to the end of the giant pile of money at the end vs the upside in better risk management. And to be clear thats not to say I'm a fan of this. I'd much prefer if most fights in boxing took place like they do in the UFC. The UFC's pace with making big fights is much much quicker than boxings pace with making big fights. There are other reasons for that doe. Too many moving parts I'd argue. I get why they do it, and I would probably, most def do the same. Cash is king, but realisticly these guys make enough as is. We the consumer have to keep shelling out, subscriptions, fight tickets, travel hotel, to follow what we love while they squeeze as many easy fights they can before they give us the fight We want. We invest our time and money following their careers anticipating big fights that some time never come because they want to hold on crawling it out hoping to make more millions for the first fight. They want more there's always time for rematches

7y ago

Lopez_Boxing

Do us a favor and don't compare 2 ATG to these 2 S H I Tbags ever again lol..... Obviously there's no comparison in terms of fighters...although wilder is closing in on mayweather recordhaha ... but the situation is similar.. And the the way people have flipped sides is almost hilarious I'm not even sure if most guys notice they agree with mayweather now

7y ago

GhostofDempsey

Ghosts is a clown and a white supremacist. And he's wrong at least 90% of the time. Floyd offered the fight and agreed to a ludicrous weight penalty of $10 million/pound over 147 (never heard of before). To counter Floyd demanded additional drug testing. Manny couldn't come to terms with that...I would say "you figure out the rest", but your hatred for blacks plagues your thought process. ----- "Reports from ESPN.com state that Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Shaefer has revealed that the fight would be fought at 147 pounds, and that the penalty for coming in over weight would be a whopping $10 million per pound. The huge penalty was called for by members of the Pacquaio camp, after Mayweather ignored the contract limit of 144 pounds in his last fight with Juan Manuel Marquez and weighed-in at 146. Mayweather won that fight by unanimous decision." https://lasvegassun.com/news/2009/dec/23/mayweatherpacquiao-fight-air-after-disagreement-ov/ ----- "Kevin Iole of Yahoo Sports reported in 2012 that Mayweather and Pacquiao came within a whisker of settling their differences with a 2010 fight. All the details were worked out, including the date, a 50-50 purse split, who would receive top billing on promotional materials and the order in which the men would enter the ring and be announced to the crowd. But it all came apart over Pacquiao's objections to Mayweather's demands for strict, random blood testing, which promoter Bob Arum claimed, per David Mayo of MLive.com, was to be implemented right up to the weigh in" ----- "A contract sent on Dec. 11, 2009, by Golden Boy Promotions on behalf of Mayweather to Top Rank on behalf of Pacquiao proposed a 50-50 financial split between the sides for a fight that would have been held March 13, 2010." https://sports.yahoo.com/news/boxing--floyd-mayweather-and-manny-pacquiao-nearly-agreed-to-a-2010-fight.html https://www.************.com/2011/11/mayweather-v-pacquiao-time-for-some-common-sense/ https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2329287-complete-timeline-of-the-floyd-mayweather-jr-manny-pacquiao-saga Another white supremacist DOWN! Pretty sure I know whose racist alt you are. But according to the people who would know about a 50/50 deal... Richard Schaefer, who was then the CEO of Golden Boy Promotions, denied ever sending the deal. Leonard Ellerbe, the CEO of Mayweather Promotions, also called the report nonsense

7y ago

Lopez_Boxing

Paragraphs brother lol. But as to this: I agree 100%, but the thing is there is often so much time between big fights that these things become news stories more easily & become legit topics of discussions for us the hardcore fans who pay attention to boxing 24/7/365. So its not really a surprise in this era we've focused more on money cuz that info is more readily available to discuss for us & the big fights seem to happen less often then they used to. Right on I had it spaced when I typed it posted different. As far as the purses. It is absolutely part of the sport there for open for discussion. Boxing is a sport and in all sports there talks of max contracts, guarantees, salary caps. Money is always an interesting topic. But some how it's been used as a crutch now and wear fans are mentally blocking fightsbwe should want to see by oddly justifying why our favorite fighter shouldn't take a risk. And the only reason I can assume people are doing that is because they are afraid of a lose on their guys record. I can't find a reason were we as fans should use a man's income to determine who he should fight. That's what the ranking system is for

7y ago

GhostofDempsey

Attendance record don't mean **** I'm sure Canelo can fill out Estadio Azteca and walk away with live gate of $500K but he rather fight in 20k arena instead And here you go 50/50 Split in MGM on march 2011 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/2015/4/29/8504023/pacquiao-vs-mayweather-2015-fight-timeline This is what it says about 50/50 split. Richard Schaefer, who was then the CEO of Golden Boy Promotions, denied ever sending the deal. Leonard Ellerbe, the CEO of Mayweather Promotions, also called the report nonsense

7y ago

Jsmooth9876

Do us a favor and don't compare 2 ATG to these 2 S H I Tbags ever again lol.....

7y ago

Lopez_Boxing

There was no contract for a 50/50 split in 2011. AJ holds two of the top ten all time attendance records. He was earning $20M in just his 20th fight. How much did Floyd earn for his 20th? De La Hoya made Floyd a star, it was a passing of the torch. All of Floyd’s biggest PPV fights were just as much a result of his opponents drawing power. Again, stop with the excuses. Can’t change rules mid-game. Your guy created this mess. Yeah and LeBron James has earned more on his 5th season than mike Jordan. Doesn't mean hes better or more popular. Just the pay these athletes get now a days is outrageous. Floyd made Floyd a star. Oscar made Oscar a star as Aj did himself. To not give credit to Floyds numerous top 10 all time ppvs is a bit irresponsible. Its not a coincidence Floyd's name has set so many records. True Floyd can sell more ppv depending on the name opposite the bill, but it's Floyds name that peaks the interest. No one besides Floyd is selling 4 million ppvs. He's the main ingredient. You have to have Floyd's name in the equation. No other combination of 2 can do it. If you are saying Floyd started this then it has to be you changing your rules midgame. If you didn't agree with Floyds reasoning then you shouldn't want to apply it to some one now as benefit for your side. If you do then you're saying Floyd was right the whole time and you were wrong.... we just so happen to keep encountering each other in different threads. Just want to make it clear I appreciate the intellectual convo. Much respect. I'm not following you trying to flex my views.

7y ago

Phenom

7y ago

GhostofDempsey

Floyd made all the big fights he even offered Pacquiao a 50/50 split for March 2011 fight and last but not least Floyd was breaking records PPV live gates etc so he wasn't a random A side There was no contract for a 50/50 split in 2011. AJ holds two of the top ten all time attendance records. He was earning $20M in just his 20th fight. How much did Floyd earn for his 20th? De La Hoya made Floyd a star, it was a passing of the torch. All of Floyd’s biggest PPV fights were just as much a result of his opponents drawing power. Again, stop with the excuses. Can’t change rules mid-game. Your guy created this mess.

7y ago

Phenom

You got it backwards. Floyd and his fans started this trend. His fans defended his A-side behavior his entire career. Now they want to change the rules in the middle of the game. Floyd made all the big fights he even offered Pacquiao a 50/50 split for March 2011 fight and last but not least Floyd was breaking records PPV live gates etc so he wasn't a random A side

7y ago