Comments Thread For: Fury: Joshua Did Really Well With Povetkin - I'm Totally Different

Fury speaks highly of AJ quite a bit, a lot of what Fury says when he's trolling is tongue in cheek.

Wilder is going to have to go to the body more than he usually does. I believe he loses if he tries his typical style of just looking for KO punches with a few jabs here and there. Tyson is soft to the body. Wilder would be wise to take advantage of this weakness.

Arguably on paper Joshua might of faced better competition lately, and I do see your point : how its more difficult to be more accurate against a higher level opponent. But I would argue that everytime Deontay stepped in the ring with decent competition, Wilder put his ranking as far as stats are concern on the line, in other words the more fights you have the more damage you should be taking throughout your career, despite all this as Deontay continued to increase in experience and opposition Wilder stats remain top of his class. Don't get me wrong, I like Wilder. I've followed his whole career, going back to the Olympics, when I watched every fight live. I am picking Fury to win, but my heart is sort of with Wilder. Wilder is the odds favorite I believe, so he doesn't need me to tell him he's got a good shot, but I think Fury is going to win. But, I've underestimated Wilder plenty of times before, to the point that I don't even feel confident picking against him anymore. Wilder was inexperienced, and overachieved in the amateurs. Based on that, the course he took in the pros made sense. He was still learning on the job. There was a point there where it looked like he was never going to step up. But he finally did, and he was pushed in some fights, and was able to show his worth. Fury's inactivity is one of the big question marks, as to whether he can perform up to the expectations of his benefactors. Even assuming a fit and ready Fury, Wilder has a couple good paths to victory. The obvious one is the big punch. Wilder might be able to stick a crisp jab in Fury's face. He might be able to land some rights and hooks, and eventually set up the big kaboosh. You don't know until the fight comes. I expect Wilder to be better conditioned (he's always in shape), and he may even outwork Fury. I think that Fury's height and reach may trouble Wilder, and his movement might keep Wilder off balance enough to allow the aforementioned to trouble him. I think Fury can outbox Wilder, and that he probably will. But it's a close fight, and I'd sort of like to see Wilder come and put on a good performance, and get the win.

Fury will sweep Wilder in a decision if the refs somehow don't wave off the carnage. There is no "somehow" about it. Fury is leagues above both of them combined. He has no real weakness and is not only a complete fighter, but a defensive savant. Wilder is a one trick pony with poor fundamentals. AJ is a fundamentally sound fighter with nothing outstanding in his repertoire, unimpressive and easy work for a crafty tactician like Fury. Again, you sound extremely confident. Here's what we'll do. You take Fury,I'll take Wilder. Loser never posts on NSB again. No alts,no BS just dead silent. Got the stones?

This is the first time I've heard Fury say anything good about Joshua since he was on the Radio (I think) saying that he'd sparred with Joshua and he was 'someone to watch out for in the future'. I agree with Fury's comments, if he manages (somehow) to beat Wilder, I would have Fury a heavy favourite to beat Joshua on points and it would take a heavy blow to win it for AJ, although he has that power and some good boxing ability, Fury IS the slickest Heavyweight and I think that we will all see glimpses of it on 1st December. As an AJ fan, I am coming round the possibility that defeat to Fury or Wilder will not be all bad, he has the ability to comeback and challenge again. Lets just hope that we get this triangle of fights. Fury will sweep Wilder in a decision if the refs somehow don't wave off the carnage. There is no "somehow" about it. Fury is leagues above both of them combined. He has no real weakness and is not only a complete fighter, but a defensive savant. Wilder is a one trick pony with poor fundamentals. AJ is a fundamentally sound fighter with nothing outstanding in his repertoire, unimpressive and easy work for a crafty tactician like Fury.

You seem to be more concerned with whether Joshua can box "beautifully" than whether he can box effectively. I'm sure there are plenty of fighters out there who can look balletic and then get GTFO, but I wouldn't really call that great boxing, or equate aesthetics with skills. I'm fans of highly skilled, complete boxers who can win fights and look comfortable against numerous different styles of opponents. I support guys with finely tuned high level technique, I'm not the kind of fan who just wants to see knockouts and power. That's why I'd never be a fan of Joshua, and I'm a big fan of Lewis. I don't like to see guys 'box balletically and then get KTFO' - winning is the most important thing, especially in boxing, but I like to see winning with skill, mobility, combinations, not just basic jabs, straight rights and left hooks like Joshua.

The record of Cunningham has got nothing to do with, you could have a guy with a load of losses who is still capable of boxing beautifully. Look at someone like Herol Graham for example. Great boxing skills doesn't guarantee you'll stay unbeaten. I've watched all of Joshhua's fights, and I've never seen him do anything outstanding in terms of boxing ability. He has very good power and strength, and does the basics well. He can pop out a decent jab, but he should be able to do that, he's a heavyweight champion. Compared to the genuine boxing ability of Lennox Lewis, who had footwork, combinations, shot selection, everything, Joshua looks very basic and workmanlike. What would Lewis have done to Breazeala? You seem to be more concerned with whether Joshua can box "beautifully" than whether he can box effectively. I'm sure there are plenty of fighters out there who can look balletic and then get GTFO, but I wouldn't really call that great boxing, or equate aesthetics with skills.

I disagree. Joshua was a very successful amateur and manages distance extremely well even if he doesn't look fluid and limber. Look at what he did to Breazeale, he didn't just walk him down and wail on him. Also see the fight with Whyte; Joshua got hurt and his boxing went out of the window for a round and a half, once he got back to his boxing skills he outclassed Whyte fairly easily. I'm not saying he's a particularly great boxer, but he definitely has skills, I'd wager better skills than Steve Cunningham who has a record of 29-9-1. The record of Cunningham has got nothing to do with, you could have a guy with a load of losses who is still capable of boxing beautifully. Look at someone like Herol Graham for example. Great boxing skills doesn't guarantee you'll stay unbeaten. I've watched all of Joshhua's fights, and I've never seen him do anything outstanding in terms of boxing ability. He has very good power and strength, and does the basics well. He can pop out a decent jab, but he should be able to do that, he's a heavyweight champion. Compared to the genuine boxing ability of Lennox Lewis, who had footwork, combinations, shot selection, everything, Joshua looks very basic and workmanlike. What would Lewis have done to Breazeala?

Yeah I do give credit for Joshua beating Klitschko and Povetkin, they are good wins, I'm not disputing that. What I'm saying is that Joshua isn't particularly technically skilled, regardless of those wins. He achieves results with his power and athleticism, not technical skills and ring generalship. He was the same in the amateurs - he isn't a boxer. He couldn't box with the mobility and shot selection that Cunningham was showing against Fury, it's just not in his skillset. I disagree. Joshua was a very successful amateur and manages distance extremely well even if he doesn't look fluid and limber. Look at what he did to Breazeale, he didn't just walk him down and wail on him. Also see the fight with Whyte; Joshua got hurt and his boxing went out of the window for a round and a half, once he got back to his boxing skills he outclassed Whyte fairly easily. I'm not saying he's a particularly great boxer, but he definitely has skills, I'd wager better skills than Steve Cunningham who has a record of 29-9-1.

I don't think Fury has said Cunningham had better boxing skills than himself, more like he couldn't deal with the cruiserweight speed, so was outboxing him. As to Josh speed, it may be understated, because I think he has got where he has because hes a great athlete. He can run 100 metres in like 11 seconds which is insane for someone his size. I doubt josh is lumbering. Running fast doesn't mean you will have good boxing footwork. Anyone can see Joshua is slow on his feet in the ring. He's powerful and has good handspeed for a heavyweight, but he's not very mobile at all.

Joshua has his limitations, but I don’t get when people act like he has no boxing skills, it’s just dumb. Joshua’s beaten two Olympic gold medalists and a clearly outboxed a guy with very quick hands in Parker. Not to mention that he has a gold medal himself. Even if you say he enjoyed favourable judging at the olympics it wouldn’t be achievable with no skills and slow footwork. Yeah Wladimir and Povetkin were past their best but they weren’t totally shot like Haye was in his second fight with Bellew. It’s the same thing with Wilder and Ortiz. Ortiz was old but he wasn’t just going to lie down; so Wilder gets some credit for beating him and Joshua should get some credit for beating Wladimir and Povetkin. Yeah I do give credit for Joshua beating Klitschko and Povetkin, they are good wins, I'm not disputing that. What I'm saying is that Joshua isn't particularly technically skilled, regardless of those wins. He achieves results with his power and athleticism, not technical skills and ring generalship. He was the same in the amateurs - he isn't a boxer. He couldn't box with the mobility and shot selection that Cunningham was showing against Fury, it's just not in his skillset.

Deontay Wilder will have to settle for a WBC and the HW linear crown instead. The excuses are already coming in, truly a bad sign of poor sportsmanship on the behalf of the Fury faithful, I was hoping you all gave Deontay 'Bronze-Bomber' Wilder full credit, after BombSquad takes the throne. What does this man have to do for you all to recognize that Deontay is truly the best HW you ever seen in your life? Wilder won’t get full credit. Not from the Joshua or Fury fans and probably not from the mainstream fans either. The mainstream fans will see the pictures of what Fury did to himself and since Fury has had no credible wins since then Wilder won’t get full credit (i.e. for beating a prime Fury). He’ll get a lot of exposure though for sure, which can only help

Wilder wasn't special enough to win gold or silver in the Olympics. And you tell the whole story .. Big John Fury said he knows his son is only 50% of what he was before his breakdown and 3 year lay-off. The bum squad know that too, which is why the cowardly bastards offered him a 50/50 split to fight Dumbontay immediately. Deontay Wilder will have to settle for a WBC and the HW linear crown instead. The excuses are already coming in, truly a bad sign of poor sportsmanship on the behalf of the Fury faithful, I was hoping you all gave Deontay 'Bronze-Bomber' Wilder full credit, after BombSquad takes the throne. What does this man have to do for you all to recognize that Deontay is truly the best HW you ever seen in your life?

Tell the whole story Kafkod, Evgenyi Romanov won multiple gold and silver medals in the amateurs ; as early as 2003 to be exact -- this was what 2008? Deontay had little over 20 plus fights when he faced Evgenyi Romanov. The lack of experience was the reason for such a slow progress in Deontay's career, still I think the fact that Wilder ( with much far less experience than Gold-medalist Wladmir Klitschko ) won the WBC HW world title much faster than the former lineal champion in 32 professional contest, is a testament of how special Deontay Wilder really is. Tyson Fury's own father ( big John Fury ) knows his son is getting hurt really, really bad in a couple days. I think you know this too. Wilder wasn't special enough to win gold or silver in the Olympics. And you tell the whole story .. Big John Fury said he knows his son is only 50% of what he was before his breakdown and 3 year lay-off. The bum squad know that too, which is why the cowardly bastards offered him a 50/50 split to fight Dumbontay immediately.

You better hope Fury is still slow and rusty, otherwise, chicken legs is getting KTFO again. Tell the whole story Kafkod, Evgenyi Romanov won multiple gold and silver medals in the amateurs ; as early as 2003 to be exact -- this was what 2008? Deontay had little over 20 plus fights when he faced Evgenyi Romanov. The lack of experience was the reason for such a slow progress in Deontay's career, still I think the fact that Wilder ( with much far less experience than Gold-medalist Wladmir Klitschko ) won the WBC HW world title much faster than the former lineal champion in 32 professional contest, is a testament of how special Deontay Wilder really is. Tyson Fury's own father ( big John Fury ) knows his son is getting hurt really, really bad in a couple days. I think you know this too.

Arguably on paper Joshua might of faced better competition lately, and I do see your point : how its more difficult to be more accurate against a higher level opponent. But I would argue that everytime Deontay stepped in the ring with decent competition, Wilder put his ranking as far as stats are concern on the line, in other words the more fights you have the more damage you should be taking throughout your career, despite all this as Deontay continued to increase in experience and opposition Wilder stats remain top of his class. Qualifying for the United States Olympic team with only 35 amateur fights is very impressive. In my opinion Wilder beat Clemente Russo in the Beijing 2008 Olympics : the judges failed to credit Deontay plenty of clean punches ; its very important to note that Clemente Russo was decorated amature world champion winning gold and silver, with that noted I think its remarkable that going into the third round the Italian only managed to land ONE point on the far less experienced young American Deontay Wilder. Theres no way Deontay only scored 1 point in the whole fight, no wonder Boxing might not make it on the next Olympics. https://www.frankwarren.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Audley-Harrison1.jpg This does not surprise me, Audley is a true mac! Deontay Wilder has been proving the doubters wrong ever since he stepped into Skyy Boxing Gym in Northport, Alabama. When will you give this man his dues? You better hope Fury is still slow and rusty, otherwise, chicken legs is getting KTFO again.

If Joshua had fought the opponents Wilder fought, he'd have higher punch stats. Joshua has fought much better opposition than Wilder. Wilder didn't fight anyone with a pulse until his 35th or so fight. Arguably on paper Joshua might of faced better competition lately, and I do see your point : how its more difficult to be more accurate against a higher level opponent. But I would argue that everytime Deontay stepped in the ring with decent competition, Wilder put his ranking as far as stats are concern on the line, in other words the more fights you have the more damage you should be taking throughout your career, despite all this as Deontay continued to increase in experience and opposition Wilder stats remain top of his class. Wilder's Olympic pedigree = joint 3rd place, along with 3 other semi-finalists. Mmmm .... yeah, that sound's about right if you're talking about where he should be ranked as a pro. Qualifying for the United States Olympic team with only 35 amateur fights is very impressive. In my opinion Wilder beat Clemente Russo in the Beijing 2008 Olympics : the judges failed to credit Deontay plenty of clean punches ; its very important to note that Clemente Russo was decorated amature world champion winning gold and silver, with that noted I think its remarkable that going into the third round the Italian only managed to land ONE point on the far less experienced young American Deontay Wilder. Theres no way Deontay only scored 1 point in the whole fight, no wonder Boxing might not make it on the next Olympics. Bro it’s true he was Garbage as a professional. I have nothing against the guy apart from trying to hit on a girl in Browns night club and he walked in the club and the chick lost her damn mind and left me and went and sat on his lap like she was his daughter.... Bi#tch Audley had a big mouth too which he never backed up in the ring. so his downfall was met with cheers. https://www.frankwarren.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Audley-Harrison1.jpg This does not surprise me, Audley is a true mac! Your fantasy line is amazing. Keep it up boy. Deontay Wilder has been proving the doubters wrong ever since he stepped into Skyy Boxing Gym in Northport, Alabama. When will you give this man his dues?

Who has Joshua made look like an Amateur that Wilder could not of beaten in a better fashion washed up Klitchsko and Martin Takam Parker or Breazeale No. He has not done anything for the sport beside duck dodge and story tell when he should had of face Miller back in August make him look like a amateur then we can see your point How could Joshua face a voluntary in Miller when he had a mandatory against Povetkin? You Americans become more stupid by the day. Wlad destroys Wilder, so he's not coming close to looking better. Wilder can't get bums who aren't fresh out of there, but he's going to get a fresh Martin out of there quicker than Joshua? Haha. He doesn't even come close to doing so. Joshua dominated Parker. Wilder would have a close fight with him that could go either way. Brezeale was dominated and taken out in 7. Wilder dominates no one. Takam would give Wilder a tough time and win a lot of rounds. Hell, he could even win. Wilder doesn't come close to winning every round the way Joshua did. Joshua dealt with Molina and Gavern in better fashion than Wilder did. Molina the bum gave Wilder a scare and rocked him after giving him a tough time before knocking him out late. Joshua didn't break a sweat in getting him out of there in 3. So yeah, you're talking ****.

Lol that same prime Gold medalist, I forgot his name because he ain’t s#hit, was knocked out by David Haye the very first punch he landed. Siarhei who?? Sounds like a Japanese vacuum cleaner. Who has Joshua made look like an Amateur that Wilder could not of beaten in a better fashion washed up Klitchsko and Martin Takam Parker or Breazeale No. He has not done anything for the sport beside duck dodge and story tell when he should had of face Miller back in August make him look like a amateur then we can see your point

Cunningham was a technically better and more intelligent all round boxer than Joshua. Joshua doesn't have that skill set where he can outbox someone with skill, handspeed and footwork. His skill set is basic and his footwork is slow and lumbering. I don't think Fury has said Cunningham had better boxing skills than himself, more like he couldn't deal with the cruiserweight speed, so was outboxing him. As to Josh speed, it may be understated, because I think he has got where he has because hes a great athlete. He can run 100 metres in like 11 seconds which is insane for someone his size. I doubt josh is lumbering.