Please take off those rose-colored glasses oldheads.

So you're saying size doesn't matter? Size makes up for skill this is common sense but if you wanna pull that retarded "Oh you've never boxed before" bull**** you're on the wrong site. Acting like the hw champions today are ****ing bums who've never boxed before. Are you seriously comparing Wilder and Joshua to basketball players it just shows how casual YOU really are. Show me a feared heavyweight champion other than Mike Tyson that's shorter than 6'4" in the past 20 years. Holyfield was 6/1"

What a surprise that cruiserweights move better than heavyweights. What’s your point wilder weights practically the same and he’s the best hw in the world off of sheer power punch. Are you implying Holyfield and Tyson wouldn’t beat miller either??

You can watch the technique and form of foreman and the old guys and can easily see he’s levels above Miller and current heavyweights you gotta be naive not to see that. What a surprise that cruiserweights move better than heavyweights.

You can watch the technique and form of foreman and the old guys and can easily see he’s levels above Miller and current heavyweights you gotta be naive not to see that.

So you're saying size doesn't matter? Size makes up for skill this is common sense but if you wanna pull that retarded "Oh you've never boxed before" bull**** you're on the wrong site. Acting like the hw champions today are ****ing bums who've never boxed before. Are you seriously comparing Wilder and Joshua to basketball players it just shows how casual YOU really are. Show me a feared heavyweight champion other than Mike Tyson that's shorter than 6'4" in the past 20 years. Size makes up for skill? Ok man anything you say. These heavyweights nowadays all started boxing late and don’t have many fights under their belt and it shows. There are always excuses “yeah but he’s getting better” These guys lack the skill because they lack experience, and normally the larger the fighter the less coordinated coupled with lack of experience equals less ability. And yeah your right every poster on this site has a wealth of experience in the ring. And no I’m not comparing Wilder and AJ to basketball or football players because they are not world class athletes and wouldn’t make the pros. I am on the right site my friend.

Most of these posters have never boxed before so they think size is everything. Boxing is about skill, not about size especially at heavyweight where one punch can change a fight. I have seen in my time in boxing gyms big guys get absolutely destroyed by guys half their size. And if anyone is saying today’s heavyweights are more skillful than the heavyweights of old are definitely casuals. If size is so important all of these ex NFL and NBA players would rule boxing, those are world class huge athletes. Please tell me many ex pros have crossed over and have been successful. I’ll wait. So you're saying size doesn't matter? Size makes up for skill this is common sense but if you wanna pull that retarded "Oh you've never boxed before" bull**** you're on the wrong site. Acting like the hw champions today are ****ing bums who've never boxed before. Are you seriously comparing Wilder and Joshua to basketball players it just shows how casual YOU really are. Show me a feared heavyweight champion other than Mike Tyson that's shorter than 6'4" in the past 20 years.

Most of these posters have never boxed before so they think size is everything. Boxing is about skill, not about size especially at heavyweight where one punch can change a fight. I have seen in my time in boxing gyms big guys get absolutely destroyed by guys half their size. And if anyone is saying today’s heavyweights are more skillful than the heavyweights of old are definitely casuals. If size is so important all of these ex NFL and NBA players would rule boxing, those are world class huge athletes. Please tell me many ex pros have crossed over and have been successful. I’ll wait.

Agree to disagree :-/ To suggest that Wlad or Deontay or AJ are/was half the fighter of Foreman has my sides literally shrieking in pain from laughter...but I respect your opinion Foreman's defensive skill was nowhere near AJ or Wilder's. Size wise, he ranked in the top 1% of all boxers in his division at 6'4 220lbs Compared to 2018 6'3 220lbs puts him at a major size disadvantage to practically every top 20 guy he's nowhere near that 1st percentile he was at in his era.

Joshua fought Whyte whilst angry and being hotheaded. That's why he got caught. He's improved massively since then and knows to be smart about things. But the only thing that matters is he come through it like a champ. Cooney was easy to hit so it wouldn't be a problem for any of the fighters I listed. They all knock him out the way a ****ing Lightheavy was able to. The only one I have doubts about is Fury. And even he may stop him through accumulation of shots late on. AJ has definitely improved, not sure how massively tho. And seeing him get winged by Povetkin tells me all I need to know about a taller Cooney catching him. But, believe what you will.

Whyte caught AJ. If that was Cooney landing that punch you wouldn't even have to count... Joshua fought Whyte whilst angry and being hotheaded. That's why he got caught. He's improved massively since then and knows to be smart about things. But the only thing that matters is he come through it like a champ. Cooney was easy to hit so it wouldn't be a problem for any of the fighters I listed. They all knock him out the way a ****ing Lightheavy was able to. The only one I have doubts about is Fury. And even he may stop him through accumulation of shots late on.

Cooney wouldn't come close to being dominant. Haha. Joshua, Wilder, Whyte, Joyce, Fury, Miller would absolutely break bits of his off. They wouldn't come close to losing to such a low level guy. Ever. Whyte caught AJ. If that was Cooney landing that punch you wouldn't even have to count...

Gerry Cooney was 6'6". If he was fighting today, he would probably be dominant. Yet, he got beat by one of those "small" heavyweights and decisively so. The heavys of the 70's would tear today's crop a new one. I can't imagine any of them taking shots from Earnie Shavers or Jerry Quarry and staying on their feet. And those guys went 15 rounds... Cooney wouldn't come close to being dominant. Haha. Joshua, Wilder, Whyte, Joyce, Fury, Miller would absolutely break bits of his off. They wouldn't come close to losing to such a low level guy. Ever.

:lol1: I'm not playing tea time with you Susan. You have a self serving agenda where all you want to do is say " X? Who did X beat Y? who did Y beat? Z? who did Z beat?" without ever realizing the **** you say can be attributed to literally any HW ever. You can always claim the highest ranking fighters of an era were weak and no one can tell you otherwise because all we can do is post names you will call weak at you. What makes it dumb as ****, and I am serious I don't mean to be mean, but, it is dumb as ****. Is this idea that what you're doing can not be applied to everyone. Who they beat were other top ranked fighters. I don't understand how the **** you can sit here and say **** like " Lennox beat X and him were top rank" Or "Lennox beat Y and him were a loved champion" But think for some reason that doesn't apply to the era literally known as the golden era of HWs. You're dumb. I'm just letting you show off how dumb you are. But it's easy to point out that Lennox beat a lot of good fighters because you can clearly see them beating other good fighters. Plus, they look like good fighters. They have skill. None of them only have a good win over someone who messed up the count the way Chuvalo does. Bonavena and Chuvalo are bums. You know that when you watch them. You know that when they didn't beat anyone worth a damn. It's simple. I'm dumb, but you're the one calling joke fighters like Bonavena and Chuvalo good fighters? Just as long as i'm not as dumb as you i'll be doing well. And how the hell did you know my name was Susan? I thought that secret was safe.

Gerry Cooney was 6'6". If he was fighting today, he would probably be dominant. Yet, he got beat by one of those "small" heavyweights and decisively so. The heavys of the 70's would tear today's crop a new one. I can't imagine any of them taking shots from Earnie Shavers or Jerry Quarry and staying on their feet. And those guys went 15 rounds...

YYHW is a different beast, but the top fighters in the past (HW or any division) were just flat-out better. They had more skills, fought more often, fought everyone (include proclaimed boogeymen), and fought for 15 rounds. Foreman would murder Miller in quick fashion, but some extra large HWs would be difficult simply due to their size advantages. At all other weight classes past champions were better. That's just the truth. Take WW today where some people contend Danny Garcia, Shawn Porter, or Keith Thurman could be good in another era. These 3 are absolute trashcans - honestly. Keith is actually the weakest of the 3 and he gets dropped and stopped in too many fights to count. Danny also gets dropped, possibly stopped, but he can go into survival mode better than the other two. Porter smothers EVERYTHING so while he would always lose to anyone marginally better than a heavy bag...he probably doesnt get stopped since he plays a hybrid of Football, MMA, and Boxing, but he would go back to sparring level status I agree with you but how is thurman the weakest out of two guys he dominated? Atleast he has skills unlike Danny and his cement feet with his "no look left hook".

:lol1: So you don't like Chuvalo then? You seem to have a whole speech ready to go, I'm just waiting for you to type it up. Chuvalo? Haha, come on, man. Chuvalo has one win against Quarry where he messed up the count. He's nothing but a crude brawler. This does nothing for Frazier. You should actually be ashamed to include him. Just give me the list of fighters Frazier beat that makes him this supposed ATG? Chuvalo most certainly isn't one of them.

You don't like Buster? When did Mathis become a good fighter? He beat no one of substance. He's decent at best. I actually thought you'd come back with Foster who is a Lightheavy who did nothing up at Heavy. List all the names on Frazier's resume that you think make him an ATG.

This is the weakest heavyweight division Ive seen in my lifetime based off of actual talent. George would be running the show with ease. None of these guys are even good let alone great. Hell, a prime Michael Grant would be running this era.

:lol1: You shouldn't be posting yet. Go watch boxing son, learn something. Frazier has a win over Ali, Ellis in the first fight, and Quarry. That's it. You mean to tell me this is an ATG resume? Hahahahahahahaha NO IT ISN'T!!!

Muhammad Ali 1 win makes you an ATG now? Is Douglas an ATG for beating Tyson? Is Turpin an ATG for beating Robinson? Is Jr Jones an ATG for beating Barrera? Is Raheem for beating Morales? Tarver for beating Jones? McCall for beating Lewis? The answer is no for all of them.