I have seen articles where Eddie Hearn, Joshua Ducka's promotor saying if Wilder loses, then Usyk or Whyte next. So why cant Hearn say Fury Tyson next???? I see a duck swimming under the water.
Look here Mr. correct, fury and wilder both have a two way rematch clause so why is Hearn only talking about wilder? is it the money? Not really because fury vs Ducka is also a money fight in UK.
You think Fury is getting a rematch if he loses?
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At the DAZN presser?
Joshua, in my eyes, is a 'let his fists do the talking' kind of champ. I prefer the less charismatic champs because it can really backfire!
Fury's mouth will be his downfall and it'll come when he is so sure of himself that he will say something stupid that will stay with him for life. But, for now, its entertaining during the Wilder fight build up because Wilder isn't the sharpest.
Depends. I can see it affecting AJ like it did Klitchko a lot more than it would affect a Wilder who doesn't seem to take himself super seriously.
the hell do I know though, I don't know any of these guys :lol1:
Fury would ruin him. AJ got flustered when Dominic Breazeale started giving him mouth!
I was more thinking how AJ lost his composure when Big Baby stepped to him. Forgot about Dom!
I've been saying Usyk has a chance to be next if things turn right for him. I think Whyte would have to lose to doe.
And its probably smart to fight Usyk now vs when he's had some time to adapt as a HW. Its marination time with Usyk if Whyte is the April fight, but if not then Usyk is getting a callup quick.
But yea obviously Hearn wants nothing to do with Fury. Fury is a cat who can beat Joshua & make Joshua look like the B side during his the promotion. I'm sure Fury gots all sorts of new & unused insults for Joshua AND Hearn lol. And if he gets by Wilder then thats the Fury you definitely don't wanna fight. They'll have to bend sooner or later & fight Fury doe. There are a lot of UK boxing fanboys right now, but there are more reasonable UK boxing fans who just wanna see the best fight the best regardless of all the bs & for the two UK guys who are top two in the world is gonna be some sh^t they'll wanna see. Idk about April cuz I think Whyte is all but booked for that, but I suspect Fury vs Joshua would happen within 12-18 months depending on the mando bs.
Jesus the first press conference AJ would look like an amateur. AJ already has deplorable "mic skills" and has a habit of sticking his foot in his mouth every time he opens it...Fury would ruin him haha.
Fair enough. I'm not sure thats even much of a thing anywhere, but I know Oscar has mentioned it. It didn't really hurt him that much that I noticed doe.
Yea but everyone there was hoping doe I'm assuming cuz they were going nuts every time Bellew missed a punch let alone landed a punch. And that hope is what gets you there on fight night more than seeing some foreign guy I bet. So the PPV buys, whatever they may be, is all Bellew not Usyk. Or at best mostly Bellew driven. You'd have a better gauge then me with the UK public & their feelings about a fight, but I think Bellew's best PPV number will still be the first Haye fight when these numbers come in. We shall see doe.
And following the path of wanting Usyk to became a name they need to line up British opposition for him I know that much. Whyte needs to be on Usyk's to do list w/e happens with Del Boy &/or Joshua. I believe one of the main reasons Pacquiao got as popular as he got in the US is cuz he had some high level rivalry's with Mexican fighters. Usyk needs something like that. If they got Usyk fighting too many Povetkin's, Takam's or Joe Parker's he's not gonna have a chance in hell of becoming a name & a big draw in the UK.
They wouldn't need to make Usyk into a UK draw in his own right to sell him as a rival to AJ. They could do that just as well by having him fight Povetkin or Parker on AJ's undercard, then calling out AJ in the ring afterwards .. providing he won, of course.
But one problem with taking that route that might be the money. I'm pretty sure Usyk has been earning more in his last few fights than he would normally make as an undercard fighter on an AJ show.
I'm also pretty sure that one of the reasons why AJ/Povetkin didn't go to a purse bid was that Hearn and AJ must have paid him well for fighting Price, and that was probably part of the deal.
I could see them doing something similar with Usyk, with AJ giving him a bigger slice of the pie than usual for fighting on his undercard in order to make the fight between the two of them bigger when it eventually happened,.
Are you serious???....any man who beats wilder is not an option for Joshua. Joshua is already scared of wilder. So anyone that beats him is a no go area.
Brainwashed!
The only way I see Fury being possible for AJ in April is if he crushes Wilder decisively.
Are you serious???....any man who beats wilder is not an option for Joshua. Joshua is already scared of wilder. So anyone that beats him is a no go area.
Oh look, Americans are creating another swivel eyed crazy story where Joshua is scared again. Haha.
Hearn didn't talk about Fury because he knows if Fury wins Wilder will want the rematch.
Hopefully one day the mods will decide to really clean this place up and spare us all the creepy weirdos.
Where have you seen there being a two way rematch clause I haven’t seen that anywhere. Wilder will win by knockout there won’t be much need or demand for a rematch.
By knockout. I think you are too ambitious in your thoughts. Let's wait for Dec 1. I hope you won't be hiding under a rock.
Hearn said he isn't considering Fury because if he wins, wilder will have a rematch clause which would rule Fury out of an AJ fight.
But both have a rematch clause. Why pick on one only? Wilder!!!
It wouldnt surprise me if Hearn exerts pressure on Wilder to take the re-match clause if he loses against Fury in order to set up a fight against AJ in late 2019. (Edit. Rumor is Wilder has re-match clause, not Fury)
Here, let me spell it out for you:
AJ Calm as a coma up until Fury being declined on his 50/50 callout.
1:00 on the interview is when Joshua shows shame, as I said. after him punking out on 50/50 is brought up.
Here is the interview.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOoPW5-oeLg
1:16 after the fake laugh which was produced because Hearn brought up Fury sending another text, this time a photo of him giving AJ the bird, ...at this time AJ starts massaging the chair with his right thumb, this is fear manifesting.
1:40 AJ deeply inhales, signifying either acceptance or denial of the situation. (Hearn bringing up Fury working his way to AJ, bs'ing around trying to justify the duckage)
Mmmm .. ok. He just looks like he's sitting in a chair laughing to me though.
AJ...pfft...no one is even talking about that chicken-**** anymore. All eyes are on Fury and Wilder. Hearn can go fck himself with his ****ty cards...."sweet caroliiiiine....price isn't getting up from that, looks like bellew can't continue...". Always with the **** match ups.
:lol1: But AJ is a massive, massive star .. and whoever he fights, it's going to be a massive, massive event, and the fans are going to have a great night and everybody's gonna love it ..
I don't know that there is any proof that matters. Look at Klitschko. He was a smart boxing HW & he tried to make it in the US & didn't. He did make it in Germany, which also wasn't his country, but they got a different & smaller boxing landscape there. And honestly I'm not sure what other things could have impacted his importance to German boxing (& I imagine part of it is not having too many big name boxers in quite awhile to go watch fight so Wlad being there at all no matter his nationality didn't matter to them), but I do know US & the UK are different types of fans & are very pro-their own people vs "outsiders". The US does have an interesting dynamic with Mexican & PR fighters, but we have a nice mix of nationalities in the US so thats more sellable in the US.
I guess, but isn't Bellew just lifting his popularity largely off of Haye popularity. Thus are you suggesting Usyk is lifting his popularity off of Bellew's popularity who's lifting it off of Haye's popularity lmfao??? Idk if that trends down like that all the time.
I would suspect these numbers will be lower than Haye vs Bellew (890k for I & 770k for II), but if they are bigger I suspect Usyk won't inherit Bellew's drawing power. He's got a long road ahead of him to became a draw. Although I will say he's did a good backstory to becoming bigger in the years to come with winning the WBSS trophy & now beating a UK favorite.
Randomly has anyone beaten a UK favorite & got hate for that? I know Oscar claimed to receive a lot of hate for beating JCC, although it never hurt his marketability all that much. Then again Oscar was only an outsider to some Mexicans as a Chicano. Usyk would be an outsider to everyone in the UK while KOing Bellew. I can't imagine many in that crowd were rooting for Usyk.
The only guy who got a bad backlash for beating a UK fan favourite was Hagler with Alan Minter. But that was 40 years ago and the hate was just from Minter fans in the stadium on the night. Hagler is still a very well known and highly respected name in the UK.
UK fight fans don't hold grudges like that. Even Andre Ward, who not only beat Froch but turned down a highly publicised offer to rematch him in the UK, is not hated here.
One thing that has to said about Bellew is that he himself was never a real fan favourite, even in his home city of Liverpool, which is why he needed a big name like Haye to do big numbers. He was well known, but definitely not well loved, lol.
And very few UK fans gave him much of a chance against Usyk. The crowd was pro Bellew on the night, of course. But did you notice .. there was nothing like the same level of booing and jeering from them towards Usyk during his entrance and intro that GGG got against Brook. And Tony was a lot closer to home in Manchester than Brook was in London.
From my own personal experience with my friends and workmates, most of the buzz for the fight was about Usyk, rather than partisan hopes that Bellew might upset him. Very few people gave Tony a chance, tbh.
That's why I'm interested in seeing how well it did with the PPVs.
He looks like he's just sitting in a chair laughing to me. He did scratch his nose a couple of seconds after Fury's name was mentioned doe. Is that it?
Here, let me spell it out for you:
AJ Calm as a coma up until Fury being declined on his 50/50 callout.
1:00 on the interview is when Joshua shows shame, as I said. after him punking out on 50/50 is brought up.
Here is the interview.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOoPW5-oeLg
1:16 after the fake laugh which was produced because Hearn brought up Fury sending another text, this time a photo of him giving AJ the bird, ...at this time AJ starts massaging the chair with his right thumb, this is fear manifesting.
1:40 AJ deeply inhales, signifying either acceptance or denial of the situation. (Hearn bringing up Fury working his way to AJ, bs'ing around trying to justify the duckage)
Aj
AJ is a lot better than you think. Of the guys you mentioned there, the only one I would make favourite to beat him would be in form Fury. Maybe Usyk too, but I want to see how he looks against a genuine HW before making any predictions about that match.
I just call what I see sir. I see a Champion who's pretty good but lacks the X factor that other guys have (Fury's movement, Wilder's right hand, Miller's size) He is the most well rounded, I'll say.
Aj
AJ is a lot better than you think. Of the guys you mentioned there, the only one I would make favourite to beat him would be in form Fury. Maybe Usyk too, but I want to see how he looks against a genuine HW before making any predictions about that match.[/QUOT
I just call what I see sir. I see a Champion who's pretty good but lacks the X factor that other guys have (Fury's movement, Wilder's right hand, Miller's size) He is the most well rounded, I'll say.