Before people like Tris Dixon or the clowns at Sky try and spin the narrative that Bellew was some british great. Let’s be realistic. He wasn’t.
He wasn’t an elite level fighter and was in fact not even close to that level.
I mean who did he beat? Do people really consider a injury riddled, shot Haye to be some sort of credible win? Is winning a vacant word title against an opponent completely unproven at that level and defending it against BJ Flores really that impressive? If we are brutally honest the best win of Bellew’s career is Isaac Chilemba...
I think the most damning evidence on Bellew’s career is this: When facing reigning world champions Bellew is 0-3(with 2 knockout losses) He was 2-3 in word title fights and 3-3 against current/former champions. Compare that to one of his peers/rivals like Nathan Cleverly who went 1-0 against reigning champions, 6-2 in world title fights and went 2-3 against current/former champions. Cleverly is by no means considered a british great and he achieved more than Bellew did in his career.
Credit to Bellew for making a lot of money in boxing due to his excellent ability to sell a fight, but his ability in the ring was far from excellent and his resume proves that.
I dont class all "World" champions as "World class"... I dont even need to get into a debate on that with you. If that is a clue for you then great for you.
Then what the fuck is world class to you then?????
If you fight and win at world level you are a world class fighter it's pretty straight forward.
If you win a world title then you are world class that's just common sense surely.
He's had an overrated career as of late but really did a good job towards the end of his career. He's good with the media and that's what gives him the ability to sell tickets and get views but his resume isn't good apart from a fringe world class fighter in Cleverly and a footless David Haye. Props for him getting mileage out of his career using his mouth though
Pretty much this ^^^ His best win was probably the Makabu fight. In that late run.
How?
If a world champion isn't a world class fighter then what is?
Surely the clue is in the name?
I dont class all "World" champions as "World class"... I dont even need to get into a debate on that with you. If that is a clue for you then great for you.
He's had an overrated career as of late but really did a good job towards the end of his career. He's good with the media and that's what gives him the ability to sell tickets and get views but his resume isn't good apart from a fringe world class fighter in Cleverly and a footless David Haye. Props for him getting mileage out of his career using his mouth though
Wins over Chilemba, Cleverly, Mastenek, Makabu and an admittedly shot Haye is a decent enough career.
Like others have said already, he is a solid fighter, not elite, but mid world level type.
If you stuck him in the current CW WBSS, a weaker field than the first time out, he would be one of the favourites imo.
Haye was finished when he pulled out of the Fury fight. Everyone knew his body was done as did his trainer, Adam Booth. When he came back, who did he fight and what ranking were they? Why didn't Adam Booth continue training him as he was with him from the beginning?
Bellew knew this and clearly stated "his legs are gone" when he challenged him. This is the guy who couldn't put a dent in Cleverly at LHW nor Cruiser.
Bellew did well to over-achieve and get lucky with Haye but every time he really stepped up to a fair and square challenge (Stevenson and Usyk), he was destroyed.
You are right. Bellew was a good strong exciting fighter with a hard punch but nothing special and that's why I gave him no chance to beat a special fighter like Usyk. He fought his career best fight and did better than I expected he would but he never had the slightest chance of winning. Usyk started slowly and carefully and Bellew was able to squeeze out maybe three early rounds but he couldn't hurt Usyk or keep up that pace. When Usyk stepped up the pace the KO of Bellew was a certainty .Bellew had a good career and will be remembered as a good fighter but not an exceptional fighter.
It depends on how you judge things. Based on his talent he’s had an incredible career. Someone who’s followed him from the start if you told me he’d be a box office attraction I would have laughed in your face.
So any world champion = World clas to you?
Erm...yeah?
What's "world class" to you?
Doesn't the fact he was world champion literally mean he's a world class fighter?
He is definitely world class. Most gatekeeper types are. What they arent, though, is elite. And Bellew was definitely not elite. I was surprised with how good he came out against Usyk. I wasnt sureprised by the result of the fight tho, cream rises to the top. Usyk is elite. Bellew isnt.
He always looked like doo doo to me. The awful physique probably didn't help my impressions but I was never impressed by the guy or anything he did. I didn't hate him. I rooted for him sometimes. But again, was never impressed. This "legend of Bellew" stuff is silly.
So any world champion = World clas to you?
Not always but usually, yes.
World class isn’t just the “elite”.
There’s world class and then the elite among those and then the elite overall..the p4p guys. The unusual talents.
Bellew might not be a p4p type guy or top 2-3 of the division every time out, but he was good enough to compete against those guys. Only the top guys would be the ones to beat him...only the “elite” of the division are the guys who would. But that’s how you establish who’s elite and who stands on what side of the line.
Sure, he wont beat every top 10 dude in his division. But he wont lose to each one either. And if you’re a top 10 type of guy in the WORLD, you’re world class.
Bellew had a good career and it’s one to be proud of. Not every good career looks like Floyd’s or Wladimir’s or something. It’s easy to lose sight of it when we’re wrapped up in the world but taking a step back and looking at the whole picture, being a world champion boxer is an ENORMOUS achivement and it’s incredibly impressive.
Bellew can hold his head high. He did well. Not the best to ever do it but damn sure not the worst.
He is definitely not world class. He is a bit of a mental case, he tried to play the "Honest guy" "Fat guy" speaking his mind in his last couple of fight, and i believe the Haye fight hyped him more than he should be. I don't like him one bit to be honest so my opinion of him is well biased.
What do we consider world class?
He was world champion wasn't he?