Whyte ducking Ortiz so Joshua can duck Wilder

I hope he fights Ortiz I'm so tired of American hyping this guy off one win over Bryant Jennings. Povetkin, Parker and Chisora have better resumes than Ortiz.

Whyte vs AJ is a really good fight to watch down the road, but not now. Not sure about all this Ortiz hype though tbh. Wilder fights aside, he's been god awful in every fight I've seen. It does seem like he got overhyped by fans of Wilder.The fact that him and his team were flat out caught lying when Hearn shown proof of a great offer on ThaBoxingVoice means I don't trust him at all when he accuses anyone of ducking.

Joshua-Whyte 2 coming up, bros.....Not overly interested in a rematch soon.Would rather Joshua fight the winner of Fury/Wilder .

parker was number 6 in the wbc, chisora was number 7, rivas was number 10 (which is his best win) wach unranked, tann unranked, browne number 13, first chisora fight number 14, helenius number 23 oh my get a grip. he had 8 fights to get his 'number 1 position and only fought 2 ranked guys to get to that, those being helenius and chisora (2016 and 2017) even dominic breazeale had 8 fights to get to wilder fighting number 12 in molina, number 34 in ugonoh and number 19 in mansour, friken dominic breazeale had more ranked fights than whyte. and unlike whyte, breazeale lost to a world champion in joshua beforehand, while whyte lost at domestic level even before joshua was the british champion. you see you guys cry about whyte but he's turned down the eliminatrs from 2 sanctioning bodies and even turned down the joshua fight, failing to renegotiate and instead head off to america to...well...shop around...see what someone has to offer

how did wilder duck? please explain

Szpilka was undefeated and was still capable of defeating Adamek who was the #1 guy at cruiser. Prime Adamek was as good as any cruiser today. Perez didn't train and admitted he was drunk for the Pedvetkin fight, he said when he got dropped he didn't even care. This fight throws everybody's ratings off and it should not count. Pedvetkin could not even KO Chambers, Chagaev, Huck, Hammer, Rudenko etc. Chisora's best win is over Takam, he was LOSING to Scott on all the cards prior to a premature 6th round stoppage. Scott took no chances against Ortiz, never winning a single round, throwing just 13 punches per round. Got dropped 5x. Allen-Ortiz was a shut out, he was never "rocked" lol. There is a clear gap in skill here between what Ortiz did to Allen and what Whyte did. Chisora's best win is over a 40th ranked Takam, he's lost at the top level 99% of the time including to Kabayel. Whyte's best win is against Parker who should be ranked 18th in the division. All Whyte has done is cherry pick opponents. Arreola would've beaten Adamek had it not been for an injury. The only men both guys legitimately lost to was Vitali who also kicked Chisora's ass. And Stiverne-King was not a legitimate stoppage, if you actually watched the fight you'd have seen the ref stopped it way too early. Ortiz was a 200lb amateur, he peaked in the pros when he was 230, completely different type of fighter just like Wilder. That's a hell of a lot of excuses, would'ves, could'ves and should'ves. Spzilka could've, maybe, possibly one his day at the in the right temperature beat a cruiserweight.... Since when does that make you a top guy to beat. Chisora got recognized for and praised greatly for the Klitschko fight. Proved thahe could hang with the around best even if he can't beat them (probably best gatekeeper not a journeyman). Also it's a bit rich bringing up him being outpointed and making the knockout when you praise Wilder for being out boxed and pulling off a one hitter quitter when it counts. Dave Allen did rock Ortiz go watch and he wasn't showing any clear skill that night. Stirverne was taking a beating from a bum when the early stoppage was called. Plus he has a draw with another bum. Couldn't outbox Wilder, probably the guy with the worst fundamentals in the top 20 definitely worst in top 10. Takam has only reasantly dropped rankings due to losses against the top guys. Same with Parker. The only guy Ortiz has beat is Jennings and fought no one else, cherry picking. Ortiz wouldn't even step into the ring with the same guys as Povetkin. I don't know where you read Perez said he was drunk but that sounds made up to save face, who would drink with WBC mandatory at stake? Just making excuses. Also Takam has a draw with the guy who most said should have been a win who Povetkin ko when Perez couldn't event beat him. Povetkin also KO'd Duhupaus in 6. Wilder only managed a tko in eleven. Many people fought Chisora beat Whyte in the first fight and that Parker would school him he also fought AJ, how are any of these cherry picks? (Even a rematch with Chisora isn't a cherry pick if he already lost) Parker is a former World Champ with better names on his resume than Ortiz and Jennings. How on Earth do you know Arreola would've beaten Adamek who as you said yoursepf is a cruiser and not a natural HW. When he has had any step ups he has lost. Plus Adamek is probably not as good as Usyk who had unified the current cruiser weight division if you forgot. Any boxer who is anything has been good going through the weight classes. Why is Ortiz an exception considering his foot work actually got worse and just turned into a plodder? When was his prime because he's a few years past it a 39 and he did nothing with it other than get popped for peds on multiple occasions possibly the only reason he ever looked good just like Povetkin but Ortiz beat nobodies. Ortiz's only fights worth mentioning is against Jennings and failing to knock Wilder out when he had him out on his feet, only to get knocked out himself. Where as the other guys have more wins or at least competive fights against more named guys. In summary that's why you're arguments is so weak as it's a bunch of if's and excuses.

You are unbelievable since when has Spzilka been a good name and Povetkin knocked Perez out in the first round, Perez took Jennings to a split decision so that's not a good win to brag about. Chisora and Whyte have better wins than Ortiz and Chisora is nearly five years younger so why is Ortiz so behind on fighting decent people? Arreolla is a bum no good wins and a loss to Adamek. Stiverne got tko'd by Demetrice King 5'11, 15 wins and 20 losses. That wouldn't happen if you wasn't a bum. Also if Ortiz is so much better how comes he couldn't knock Malik Scott out and Chisora could? You just said Ortiz performed better with similar oponents but Chisora dealt the SAME opponent in six rounds and Dave Allen was a sh*i*t show for Ortiz swinging and missing and even getting rocked so it was far from the performance of an elite killer. Also look at the amateurs the guy wasn't even the best at Cuban level I think he only got a gold in 1/5 Cuban national level comps. No Olympic medals either. Ortiz is at best unproven and not warranting any of this hype. Szpilka was undefeated and was still capable of defeating Adamek who was the #1 guy at cruiser. Prime Adamek was as good as any cruiser today. Perez didn't train and admitted he was drunk for the Pedvetkin fight, he said when he got dropped he didn't even care. This fight throws everybody's ratings off and it should not count. Pedvetkin could not even KO Chambers, Chagaev, Huck, Hammer, Rudenko etc. Chisora's best win is over Takam, he was LOSING to Scott on all the cards prior to a premature 6th round stoppage. Scott took no chances against Ortiz, never winning a single round, throwing just 13 punches per round. Got dropped 5x. Allen-Ortiz was a shut out, he was never "rocked" lol. There is a clear gap in skill here between what Ortiz did to Allen and what Whyte did. Chisora's best win is over a 40th ranked Takam, he's lost at the top level 99% of the time including to Kabayel. Whyte's best win is against Parker who should be ranked 18th in the division. All Whyte has done is cherry pick opponents. Arreola would've beaten Adamek had it not been for an injury. The only men both guys legitimately lost to was Vitali who also kicked Chisora's ass. And Stiverne-King was not a legitimate stoppage, if you actually watched the fight you'd have seen the ref stopped it way too early. Ortiz was a 200lb amateur, he peaked in the pros when he was 230, completely different type of fighter just like Wilder.

ducking Ortiz is what stands out the most to me..... you talk a big game but rather fight a retard with 8 losses...smh FOH Nobody wants the Chisora rematch. We've already seen them plod away for 12 rounds but Eddie sees this as ppv? Ortiz rematch would've meant more and makes more sense.

Illusion? The reality of it is Stiverne & Jennings were more proven than Whyte's opponent's and Whyte himself. You think Whyte could take Wlad to 116-112 on 2 cards like Jennings did? Don't make me laugh. Not to mention Jennings has wins over Perez & Szpilka. If Stiverne was a bum he wouldn't have outclassed Arreola like he did or knocked him out which even Vitali couldn't do. Ortiz has beaten the better fighters and out performed Whyte & Parker against similar opponents. You are unbelievable since when has Spzilka been a good name and Povetkin knocked Perez out in the first round, Perez took Jennings to a split decision so that's not a good win to brag about. Chisora and Whyte have better wins than Ortiz and Chisora is nearly five years younger so why is Ortiz so behind on fighting decent people? Arreolla is a bum no good wins and a loss to Adamek. Stiverne got tko'd by Demetrice King 5'11, 15 wins and 20 losses. That wouldn't happen if you wasn't a bum. Also if Ortiz is so much better how comes he couldn't knock Malik Scott out and Chisora could? You just said Ortiz performed better with similar oponents but Chisora dealt the SAME opponent in six rounds and Dave Allen was a sh*i*t show for Ortiz swinging and missing and even getting rocked so it was far from the performance of an elite killer. Also look at the amateurs the guy wasn't even the best at Cuban level I think he only got a gold in 1/5 Cuban national level comps. No Olympic medals either. Ortiz is at best unproven and not warranting any of this hype.

Illusion? The reality of it is Stiverne & Jennings were more proven than Whyte's opponent's and Whyte himself. You think Whyte could take Wlad to 116-112 on 2 cards like Jennings did? Don't make me laugh. Not to mention Jennings has wins over Perez & Szpilka. If Stiverne was a bum he wouldn't have outclassed Arreola like he did or knocked him out which even Vitali couldn't do. Ortiz has beaten the better fighters and out performed Whyte & Parker against similar opponents. Both stirvene and Jennings has beating no body decent. Arreola is just a grade C fighter.

Lolx..... Am sure you laughed at the best fight you stated for both assumed warriors. Jennings and stirvene.... Lolx.. The only respect I have for stirvene is because he was once a champ, that aside he is a bum... Straight bum. Ortiz only decent win in his career is Jennings and I guess that makes him the bogeyman of the division. Illusion at its best. Illusion? The reality of it is Stiverne & Jennings were more proven than Whyte's opponent's and Whyte himself. You think Whyte could take Wlad to 116-112 on 2 cards like Jennings did? Don't make me laugh. Not to mention Jennings has wins over Perez & Szpilka. If Stiverne was a bum he wouldn't have outclassed Arreola like he did or knocked him out which even Vitali couldn't do. Ortiz has beaten the better fighters and out performed Whyte & Parker against similar opponents.

Whyte has literally never beaten a fighter ranked as low as Ortiz's win over Jennings or Wilder's win over Stiverne. Both guys didn't go life and death with these guys, they destroyed them. Even Ortiz's win over Scott was far more impressive than Chisora's controversial stoppage win where he was down on all the cards, same as Ortiz's win over Allen. Different class of fighters. It's one thing to beat a highly ranked guy, it's another to demolish them. Lolx..... Am sure you laughed at the best fight you stated for both assumed warriors. Jennings and stirvene.... Lolx.. The only respect I have for stirvene is because he was once a champ, that aside he is a bum... Straight bum. Ortiz only decent win in his career is Jennings and I guess that makes him the bogeyman of the division. Illusion at its best.

After all said and done.... Tell us who your warrior Ortiz and wilder fought in comparison with whyte. Whyte has literally never beaten a fighter ranked as low as Ortiz's win over Jennings or Wilder's win over Stiverne. Both guys didn't go life and death with these guys, they destroyed them. Even Ortiz's win over Scott was far more impressive than Chisora's controversial stoppage win where he was down on all the cards, same as Ortiz's win over Allen. Different class of fighters. It's one thing to beat a highly ranked guy, it's another to demolish them.

Parker, Browne, Chisora were top 10. Helenius top 15. Still haven't named a contender that has done more. So i'm going to assume you can't. Which means Whyte is the most deserving of a shot. How exactly is Browne a top 10 fighter when he was inactive? Even at his peak he was slightly better than an old fat Chagaev fresh off a razor thin bout to Oquendo. Where does Oquendo rank, 20's, 30s? That's near where Chagaev ranked lol. Chisora barely beat Takam and Takam was not a top 10 fighter, probably not even top 15 anymore, he's currently ranked 42nd lmao. Still ain't ranked in the top 10. JP is the only top 10 fighter he's faced and he didn't even deserve to be there, Ruiz does. JP should be ranked near Hughie Fury, 20th in the division and their fight proved it with how poor JP looked. With as resume as weak as that you can justify a ton of guys that deserve a shot at Wilder.

Even the one that was tagged mandatory, how long has he been waiting? 2/3 years huh!!! Breazeale's eliminator took place less than a year ago.

He won't become mandatory if he fights an eliminator Yes he will. Just because there is already a mandatory doesn't mean you're not mandatory. Waste of time when he's in line for another shot at Joshua's titles. This we agree on. Hearn has known all along that Whyte would be getting a voluntary shot in April, so the IBF and WBC final eliminators were a waste of time, which is why Whyte pulled out of numerous IBF and WBC final eliminators. They screwed him making Breazeale mandatory. That's a lie. Whyte was offered the fight and turned it down. Only reason Breazeale was able to fight Molina is because everyone in front of Molina turned down the fight. he was being offered far more than he;s known to have earned. And Hearn offered far more than all PBC stars were "known to have earned" yet they all laughed at Hearn and said they were already making more than he was offering.

What has he done other than turn down 3 eliminators? 😂😂😂This... Whyte is a JOKE

Steverne was the highest ranked fighter in WBC if you're talking about Breazeale being a eliminator Stiverve himself is a bum, thou I give him credit for going all 12 rounds in his defence but he was battered all through the fight. Stirvene 2 is pathetic, lucas browne would have KO as well. No argument about that.

Wilder was already signed to fight Povetkin before Martin fought for the vacant belt and sold it like 3 hours later :lol1: Wilder doesn’t have to put up $50M showtime and Al Haymon are and they put on the top grossing fights in history Maybe showtime and haymon should have put up the money to unify with Parker. The longest champ without a unification is a turn off to his already bad resume.

Since you know it all, tell me how rankings are done? Does it mean a guy ranked #8 can be called to fight a final eliminator when #1,2,3 ranked fighter are there? Do really know what you are talking about? Steverne was the highest ranked fighter in WBC if you're talking about Breazeale being a eliminator