A closer look to Wilder and Fury's amateur career (international comp)

If you guys are interested. They both had short amateur career and have been fast tracked into international competitions. Fury competed young as a junior in international tournaments grabbing european gold (toughest continental tournament with all the eastern euros) wich is quite a good result. Lost then stopped in a rematch Ivan Bezverkhiy, Ukranian's next big thing back then. He lost to David Price wich explain the antics lol Wilder beat Chakhiev and got stopped by Romanov, he grabbed a bronze medal in Beijing wich is an awesome result for someone of his experience back then. Fury was scoring some stoppages at this level of tournaments while Wilder scored NONE wich is surprising, Wilder as a pro changed his style turning then into a KO machine. Wilder was -91 Kg while Fury was at super heavy +91 Kg TYSON FURY Amateur Record: 31-4 (26 KO's) 2006 Chemnitz City Cup Gold medalist (junior division) in Chemnitz, Germany (+91kg): Defeated Paul Mueller (Germany) RSCO 3 2006 World Junior Championships Bronze medalist in Agadir, Morocco (+91kg): Defeated Ilham Khatamov (Azerbaijan) 21:11 Defeated Istvan Bernath (Hungary) RSC Lost to Sardor Abdullayev (Uzbekistan) 31:36 Lost to David Price (England) 8:22 2007 Donbass Junior Cup Silver medalist in Donetsk, Ukraine (+91kg): Defeated Vladimir Bandura (Ukraine) RSCO 2 Lost to Ivan Bezverkhiy (Ukraine) 10:23 2007 European Union Junior Championships Gold medalist in Warsaw, Poland (+91kg): Defeated Danil Vlassov (Estonia) RSC 1 Defeated Istvan Bernath (Hungary) AB 3 2007 European Junior Championships Silver medalist in Sombor, Serbia (+91kg): Defeated Andrija Kekovic (Serbia) AB 3 Defeated Ivan Bezverkhiy (Ukraine) AB 4 Lost to Maxim Babanin (Russia) 11-24 DEONTAY WILDER 30-5 2007 United States heavyweight representative at the World Championships in Chicago, Illinois (October 23-November 3). Preliminaries (1/32): Lost to Krzysztof Zimnoch (Poland) 20-23 2007 Heavyweight Silver Medalist for the United States at the Pre-Olympic Tournament in Beijing, China (November 17-22): Quarterfinals: Defeated Wang Leilei (China) 25-17 Semifinals: Defeated Vadim Likhman (Russia) +26-26 Finals: Lost to Danny Price (England) WO 2008 United States heavyweight representative at the USA vs. Russia Dual in Magnitogorsk, Russia and Novosibirsk, Russia (February 24-29). Results: Defeated Rakhim Chakhkiev (Russia) 11-10 Lost to Evgeny Romanov (Russia) RSC 3 2008 Heavyweight Silver Medalist for the United States at the 1st Olympic Qualifying Tournament for the Americas in Port of Spain, Trinidad & Tobago (March 12-18). Results: Preliminaries (1/8): Defeated Deivi Julio (Colombia) 6-5 Quarterfinals: Defeated Jorge Quinones (Ecuador) +9-9 Semifinals: Defeated Rafael Lima (Brazil) 6-5 Finals: Lost to Osmay Acosta (Cuba) 1-12 2008 Heavyweight Bronze Medalist for the United States at the Olympics in Beijing, China (August 9-24). Preliminaries (1/8): Defeated Abdelaziz Toulbini (Algeria) 10-4 Quarterfinals: Defeated Mohamed Arjaoui (Morocco) +10-10 Semifinals: Lost to Clemente Russo (Italy) 1-7

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Like I said to the other bro Eff, Wilder doesn't score early KOs, he's a calculated cautious guy. Out of his 10 last fights, he "only" stopped Scott and Stiverne early (within the first 3 rounds/9minutes). Wilder act like a shark in the water, he figures out, wait for his opponent to be tired, then push pretty hard when he smells blood. Wilder has a great killer instinct. yeah but some so called boxing fans take it as him struggling because hes trying to wait for an opening, like with Washington, and with Ortiz he was fighting a good southpaw so it was harder for him to find that range. good analysis

7y ago

denium

I read an interesting post on here the other day. In the press conference when Fury & Wilder were stood up and facing each other, Fury did a feint and Wilder jumped a mile back in a straight line. I think Wilders lack of amateur credentials and a career fighting short/fat bums could catch up with him, especially facing a technician like Fury.

7y ago

BillyBoxing

Are we talking about there caliber of opponents or their style of fighting? I thought we were talking about their style of fighting. This is what you said. "Wilder doesn't score early KOs, he's a calculated cautious guy." He CLEARLY scores a sh^tton of early KO's. More than Tyson. And cmon you seen him fight. He takes more risks then any HW in recent memory at the level he's at. Thats why he's so fun to watch cuz he fights a lil f#cking reckless while showing some good tactics at other times. I definitely wouldn't call him a "calculated cautious guy". That sounds more like Joshua to me since the Klitschko fight. I said he doesn't score a lot of early KOs with a basis of his last 10 fights, then you brought up stats about the 30 cans they offered him before stepping up in comp in order to break the KO streak record and promote him. Josh already fought Povetkin, Parker, Klit, Whyte in 22 fights. D oppo has been wrack, everybody laughing at Fury for fighting Pianetta, well, Pianetta beat Duhaupas who is in Wilder's top 10 wins...LOL Agreed, he's obviously not as calculated as Joshua.

7y ago

BillyBoxing

All the reasons in this thread have played a part, small and large. I'm still surprised Wilder never managed one KO in the ams vs 39 in the pros, that must be a first for any HW going from amateur to pro boxing. the ratio to be night and day I mean. This is what Tyson Fury grew up with - His dad John boxing and being trained by the bare-knuckle champion Bartley Gorman. Fury has been boxing since he could stand-up. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A4sKDQACAAAsWxy.jpg I just posted international tournaments results. He probably signed some KOs in his hometown fights.

7y ago

_Rexy_

All the reasons in this thread have played a part, small and large. I'm still surprised Wilder never managed one KO in the ams vs 39 in the pros, that must be a first for any HW going from amateur to pro boxing. the ratio to be night and day I mean. This is what Tyson Fury grew up with - His dad John boxing and being trained by the bare-knuckle champion Bartley Gorman. Fury has been boxing since he could stand-up. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A4sKDQACAAAsWxy.jpg oh the discrepancy is 100% an anomaly, I'll give you that. He was 35-5 in the Ams I think? You'd think that a ref would have waived something off... EDIT - He does seem to have a number of RSC's so there ya go lol

7y ago

Vinnykin

Also fair. Just sharing my thoughts as a former HW amateur (CW) likely a combo of all the things listed haha Another thing I didn’t even really consider, wilder was learning to box in the Ams. Fury was learning in the womb All the reasons in this thread have played a part, small and large. I'm still surprised Wilder never managed one KO in the ams vs 39 in the pros, that must be a first for any HW going from amateur to pro boxing. the ratio to be night and day I mean. This is what Tyson Fury grew up with - His dad John boxing and being trained by the bare-knuckle champion Bartley Gorman. Fury has been boxing since he could stand-up. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A4sKDQACAAAsWxy.jpg

7y ago

hugh_grant

I was wondering what fury amateur record was. So he's been stopped? Not as successful as josh!

7y ago

BillyBoxing

What are you talking about? Wilder has 29 of his 40 fights ending in the first 9 minutes or 72.5% of his fights. Tyson had 25 of his first 37 wins ending in the first 9 minutes or 67.5% of his fights. When you move up in class you are gonna get less quick KO's. Happens to everyone. Wilder & Tyson were as cautious as they needed to be before striking. But I agree Wilder & Tyson both have/had great killer instinct. But Wilder early career's was just beating on "cans" and I don't like to use that word. The way he has been slowly managed into the pro ranks is a unique case/just like his KO ratio if you know what I mean. Wilder best oppo pre 30 fights are Haudley, Liakovich coming off 2 TKO losses in a row then Kelvin Price. Tyson had some soft oppo early too but not as soft as Wilder's IMO and he was 18 years old fighting twice per month lol stepped up to Berbick being 19. Since we are comparing stats with Tyson and D. I don't see myself Spilzka, Molina, Scott, Arrola, Bermane, Duhaupas, Ortiz ect... as a step up (stopping your early KO streak) as Holmes, Spinks, Tucker, Berbick, Bruno, Thomas. A HW puncher with ATG power, should not need 9 rounds to stop Molina, 11 to stop Duhaupas. And I don't believe any second Tyson would make those guys last more than 3 rounds. Don't feel triggered about my statement, I'm not hating on Wilder, but when you look close at his oppo, there is something worrisome. I don't know if Ortiz is better than Tony Tucker bro, I don't even know that. And Ortiz is head and shoulder D's best win out of 40 fights. That being said and coming back to the fight, Fury hasn't faced anyone elite in his life beside Wlad.

7y ago

_Rexy_

Yeah, but I'd say Fury already being 6'6 at 16 and well over 200lb's as being a bigger reason. Wilder wasn't developed and fighting senior's a similar weight (effectively a cruiser). Fury was huge and fighting youth guys he was outweighing by 10-20lbs even between 16/19. Also fair. Just sharing my thoughts as a former HW amateur (CW) likely a combo of all the things listed haha Another thing I didn’t even really consider, wilder was learning to box in the Ams. Fury was learning in the womb

7y ago

Vinnykin

Fury was a youth in his bouts, no? Refs will give early stoppages more in youth boxing (think standing 8 but calling the fight) Yeah, but I'd say Fury already being 6'6 at 16 and well over 200lb's as being a bigger reason. Wilder wasn't developed and fighting senior's a similar weight (effectively a cruiser). Fury was huge and fighting youth guys he was outweighing by 10-20lbs even between 16/19.

7y ago

_Rexy_

So why does a taller and rangier fighter in Fury have such a high KO%.... and why was Wilder in so many close fights? I think my point/s stand or count with 0 KO's. Lack of size/strength at that time, headguards and faster opponents in the -91kg division. Fury was a youth in his bouts, no? Refs will give early stoppages more in youth boxing (think standing 8 but calling the fight)

7y ago

BillyBoxing

I get that part like I said. I just don't get how a non-fight counts on your record doe. Thats silly. Give medals on walkovers. Fair play. Whoever wins this tournament walkover or not goes to the next tournament. Fair play there too. But if its a walkover fighter A didn't realllllllly win & fighter B didn't realllllllllly lose & that shouldn't count as if it did on their amateur record. I don't agree with a forfeit kinda loss in boxing unless the fight has started. If the fight hasn't started it was never a fight & it shouldn't count. Yeah maybe they should not record it.

7y ago

BillyBoxing

So why does a taller and rangier fighter in Fury have such a high KO%.... and why was Wilder in so many close fights? I think my point/s stand or count with 0 KO's. Lack of size/strength at that time, headguards and faster opponents in the -91kg division. Also, Fury's record is at the junior level, so the young elite. Wilder fought better comp in seniors and olympics. But still impressive how Fury was stopping cats back then. Those junior eastern euros are no push over.

7y ago

BillyBoxing

I don't think the KO thing is that surprising. Wilder was a late bloomer to boxing. Fury grew up boxing even if he had a similar number of amateur fights. I don't think Wilder found out who he was til well into his pro career & he was just in it to make money early on. Meanwhile Tyson Fury was dreaming of becoming a world champion before he was an adult. They were on massively different paths for a long time. Yeah, and like Rexy said, maybe points/punches scoring system back then forced him to fight this way. Banking on KOing elite international guys within 9 minutes was not a good plan to win the gold, you got no benefit/point for dropping a guy. I think Wilder changed his style in the pro rank , the man comes to stop you.

7y ago

Vinnykin

Wilder isn't an early KO artist like Mike Tyson was. In his last 10 fights, he scored 2 early KOs, Scott and Stiverne rematch. I call early KOs, KOs happening within the first 3 rounds, 9 minutes wich is basically as long as an amateur fight. Wilder is a calculated fighter, likes to figure out his opponent before going full retard windmills lol Also the scoring system back then forced you to box. Good point regarding the length of the fights. Wilder usually takes a while to get going in higher levels.

7y ago

Vinnykin

You don’t get points for a KD or KO in the Ams, so wilder likely relied on his reach/jab for points. So really no point in trying to throw all your strength into a punch if it’s going to cost speed and accuracy. So why does a taller and rangier fighter in Fury have such a high KO%.... and why was Wilder in so many close fights? I think my point/s stand or count with 0 KO's. Lack of size/strength at that time, headguards and faster opponents in the -91kg division.

7y ago

BillyBoxing

I get that as far as the medals go, but I don't get it for experience. I mean no one is gonna claim they beat a guy on a walkover anyway. You beat a guy in the ring. And it builds up records & gives guys more L's that weren't real L's. I think if they are gonna count them they should be noted in a different way. Don't know how you'd do it, but it'd make more sense cuz everyone knows a walkover win or loss isn't the same as in the ring win or loss. I agree with you, but I guess in order to officially give the medal they need to rule it a win. A tournament has to have a winner I guess. You don't really award medal for no reason except for Kids LOL

7y ago

BillyBoxing

I don't think the KO thing is that surprising. Wilder was a late bloomer to boxing. Fury grew up boxing even if he had a similar number of amateur fights. I don't think Wilder found out who he was til well into his pro career & he was just in it to make money early on. Meanwhile Tyson Fury was dreaming of becoming a world champion before he was an adult. They were on massively different paths for a long time. Like I said to the other bro Eff, Wilder doesn't score early KOs, he's a calculated cautious guy. Out of his 10 last fights, he "only" stopped Scott and Stiverne early (within the first 3 rounds/9minutes). Wilder act like a shark in the water, he figures out, wait for his opponent to be tired, then push pretty hard when he smells blood. Wilder has a great killer instinct.

7y ago

_Rexy_

I get that as far as the medals go, but I don't get it for experience. I mean no one is gonna claim they beat a guy on a walkover anyway. You beat a guy in the ring. And it builds up records & gives guys more L's that weren't real L's. I think if they are gonna count them they should be noted in a different way. Don't know how you'd do it, but it'd make more sense cuz everyone knows a walkover win or loss isn't the same as in the ring win or loss. I agree 100% If I cared more, I’d remove my WO losses from my record lol

7y ago

BillyBoxing

Interesting the KO disparity here. It goes to show that Amateur and pro boxing are totally different. Maybe Wilder's lack of size back then, along with the headguards, did not suit him at all? He also fought at a lower weight where guys are faster and harder to land clean on. Wilder isn't an early KO artist like Mike Tyson was. In his last 10 fights, he scored 2 early KOs, Scott and Stiverne rematch. I call early KOs, KOs happening within the first 3 rounds, 9 minutes wich is basically as long as an amateur fight. Wilder is a calculated fighter, likes to figure out his opponent before going full retard windmills lol Also the scoring system back then forced you to box.

7y ago