Best current boxer never to hold a world title?

Is there a super champion at LHW? Or LWW? Or at Super BW? No. There are world champions. But your position is that only the super championship is recognized. Either the WBA world title is a world title or is isn't. The super title isn't a world title. It's a super title. I'm recommending de-recognizing the WBA entirely since their world champion is often not their top champion, so why recognize their world championship anymore? I've been saying this for 17 years. Unfortunately, the industry chooses to continue to recognize their world titles. So before Charr failed his drug test, he was seen as a equal champion at HW as Joshua? Never said equal. Charr is the WBA world champion. Joshua is the WBA super champion. Most hold the WBA super championship in higher regard, which is fine. But what you're suggesting is that the world champions aren't world champions, except sometimes they are world champions if there isn't a super champion. Which doesn't make any sense. Being world champion and being super champion are two different things. And you said networks and promoters recognize both? Of course they do as they can sell BS to fans of the bout being a "championship fight." Obviously. So fans should stop recognizing the WBA. We have enough titles as it is, and now we are recognizing two titles in one weight class? Ha! That is what the industry chose to do. We now have five recognized world titles. I'm suggesting we should only have two. Because nobody should have ever recognized the WBO, and the WBA's recognition should have been revoked in 2001. Leaving just the WBC and IBF.

There's no such thing as a WBA regular champion. The WBA has world champions, super champions, continental champions, international champions, intercontinental champions, all sorts of champions. But the one kind of champion they don't have is a regular champion. The networks, fighters and promoters seem to recognize both. The WBA has no consistency. You can't say only the super championship is recognized because plenty of divisions don't have a super championship. Are you saying Dmity Bivol isn't a world champion? Are you saying Kiryl Relikh isn't a world champion? Are you saying Daniel Roman isn't a world champion? And if a promoter snaps their fingers tomorrow and asks the WBA to sanction a random fight for the super title, does Bivol suddenly not exist anymore? Your argument doesn't make any sense. Is there a super champion at LHW? Or LWW? Or at Super BW? So before Charr failed his drug test, he was seen as a equal champion at HW as Joshua? HELL no. Joshua is seen as the WBA champion at HW. If Wilder fought Charr, would that be seen as a unification bout? Nope. And you said networks and promoters recognize both? Of course they do as they can sell BS to fans of the bout being a "championship fight." We have enough titles as it is, and now we are recognizing two titles in one weight class? Ha!

Darnell Boone

Lots of divisions don't have super champions? Sure, those divisions also don't have "world" champion as the secondary belt or regular champion etc. There's no such thing as a WBA regular champion. The WBA has world champions, super champions, continental champions, international champions, intercontinental champions, all sorts of champions. But the one kind of champion they don't have is a regular champion. There are four main belts per division, and the one recognized for the WBA is the super champion. The networks, fighters and promoters seem to recognize both. The WBA has no consistency. You can't say only the super championship is recognized because plenty of divisions don't have a super championship. Are you saying Dmity Bivol isn't a world champion? Are you saying Kiryl Relikh isn't a world champion? Are you saying Daniel Roman isn't a world champion? And if a promoter snaps their fingers tomorrow and asks the WBA to sanction a random fight for the super title, does Bivol suddenly not exist anymore? Your argument doesn't make any sense.

Luis Ortiz, sad we never got to him in his prime! Prime Ortiz likely clears heavyweight an becomes champ, with the counter punching skills, south paw defense, KO power then add the youthfulness of stamina and athleticism, and we all think current Ortiz is the boogeyman sheeesh!

Lots of divisions don't have a super champion. So are you saying the WBA doesn't have a champion in those divisions? Machado is world champion. There was no super champion. Then Floyd uses his connections to get Tank the super belt. So suddenly Machado ceases being a champion? It doesn't make any sense. You're the one over thinking it. I'm the one saying the world champion is the world champion and the super champion is the super champion. You're the one saying the super champion is the world champion, unless there's not a super champion, then the world champion is the world champion, but if they add a super champion the world champion isn't the world champion anymore, even though he's still world champion, etc. That's overthinking things way more than simply acknowledging that the world champion is the world champion. Nobody. That's why the WBA shouldn't be recognized anymore. Super titles are bogus titles that shouldn't be recognized and the world titles are now worthless because of the super titles. De-recognize the entire organization until the super titles are eliminated. Lots of divisions don't have super champions? Sure, those divisions also don't have "world" champion as the secondary belt or regular champion etc. There are four main belts per division, and the one recognized for the WBA is the super champion. As for the Machado situation? Complete and utter BS. He got screwed....But that doesn't mean Matthysse was ever a true champion.

The Super is the only WBA belt that matters Lots of divisions don't have a super champion. So are you saying the WBA doesn't have a champion in those divisions? Machado is world champion. There was no super champion. Then Floyd uses his connections to get Tank the super belt. So suddenly Machado ceases being a champion? It doesn't make any sense. Stop overthinking it. You're the one over thinking it. I'm the one saying the world champion is the world champion and the super champion is the super champion. You're the one saying the super champion is the world champion, unless there's not a super champion, then the world champion is the world champion, but if they add a super champion the world champion isn't the world champion anymore, even though he's still world champion, etc. That's overthinking things way more than simply acknowledging that the world champion is the world champion. When Golovkin and Jacobs faced off, who was seen as the true WBA champion? Nobody. That's why the WBA shouldn't be recognized anymore. Super titles are bogus titles that shouldn't be recognized and the world titles are now worthless because of the super titles. De-recognize the entire organization until the super titles are eliminated.

Good for Thurman. He was the champion of the super. Matthysse was the champion of the world. When I was growing up, the great fighters strived to be champion of the world, not champion of the super. None of them should be recognized. The super title isn't a world title, it's a super title, and the world title is meaningless if it's not the top title. Disregarding both is the only way to force the WBA to end this mess. When you were growing up is irrelevant. There are four true championship belts per division. The Super is the only WBA belt that matters, not the "world" or "interim" or whatever other title they have. Stop overthinking it. Thurman is recognized as the WBA champion right now, not Pacquiao. Just as Floyd was for years when he was the Super WBA champion at WW and LMW. When Golovkin and Jacobs faced off, who was seen as the true WBA champion? Exactly…..

Sure, but he wasn't the "super" champion, that's Thurman. Good for Thurman. He was the champion of the super. Matthysse was the champion of the world. When I was growing up, the great fighters strived to be champion of the world, not champion of the super. I think that title should absolutely be recognized. But the other WBA belts? Nope. None of them should be recognized. The super title isn't a world title, it's a super title, and the world title is meaningless if it's not the top title. Disregarding both is the only way to force the WBA to end this mess.

There's no such thing as "WBA regular." Matthysse was WBA world champion. If you don't think WBA world titles should be recognized anymore, I agree with you. I stopped recognizing them in 2001. But the industry chooses to still recognize them. Sure, but he wasn't the "super" champion, that's Thurman. I think that title should absolutely be recognized. But the other WBA belts? Nope.

Matthysse (WBA regular doesn't count) There's no such thing as "WBA regular." Matthysse was WBA world champion. If you don't think WBA world titles should be recognized anymore, I agree with you. I stopped recognizing them in 2001. But the industry chooses to still recognize them.

Re-watching the Joshua vs Povetkin fight, I got to thinking that Povetkin, a good fighter, has never held a full heavyweight title, despite fighting during a historically weak heavyweight era (albeit one featuring a dominant, longtime champion in Wladimir Klitschko) Povetkin has held a world title. He's never held a super title.

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There are too many titles nowadays for a good fighter never to win something. I'm trying to think and can't come up with anyone that stands out. Someone from lhw during Kovalev stevenson era maybe? Barrera or Smith Jr? Bute? Did Cuadras ever win a title? Martin Murray maybe. Luiz Ortiz Pretty sure that Cuadras vs Chocolatito was a unification fight. I think Cuadras was the WBC champion.

There are too many titles nowadays for a good fighter never to win something. I'm trying to think and can't come up with anyone that stands out. Someone from lhw during Kovalev stevenson era maybe? Barrera or Smith Jr? Bute? Did Cuadras ever win a title? Martin Murray maybe. Luiz Ortiz

meh, povetkin would always have struggled to make it over the top of the mountain, he had a lot of tough hurdles to overcome at HW, the big ones being phsyical dimensions and his punch. when he first came to the US he was chubby and had very little power on his punches. he AHEM went through puberty again. when ithink of underssized HW i always go back to david tua. the guy had a titantic chin, pretty good boxing skills and an olympic background, and one of the best punches EVER and he still never won a world title. yeah, great era, but FFS unlessy you are mike tyson it is not easy or practical to fight guys with 6-8 inches of reach advantage every time you put on gloves. and in povetkin's case with the giants int eh division, often he gave up 25 lbs!

Very good thread idea. With the amount of titles and the number of divisions, most decent fighters end up picking up a title. There are some that fall through the cracks, though. Luis Ortiz is one.

JoJo Diaz.

Danny Jacobs

Martin Murray when he was robbed against Sergio Martinez in Argentina