Transcribed message from Wilder (unedited):
Tell your promoters to give me what i want as while then we can get it on easy. I have no plms in fighting you as well as making money together but Eddie is a liar. I'm sure you know this i can tell by the way you look at him there bad vibes but he's no running the Show over here but if I have to prove that then I will Bro because honestly I don't have to do anything for at least two years. Get at him.
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They offered Whyte, but the reason it didn't go through is because Wilder wanted AJ after. I'll see if I can find a link before 20 english people come in saying I'm wrong, and 20 american people come in saying i'm right.
Ha ha ha, what're we like !!
I thought they offered him a Whyte “or anyone of his own choice” for $5M and then Joshua after it?
They offered Whyte, but the reason it didn't go through is because Wilder wanted AJ after. I'll see if I can find a link before 20 english people come in saying I'm wrong, and 20 american people come in saying i'm right.
Oppositde, actually. When Hearn suggested Wilder fight Whyte, Wilder said he would if Hearn would guarantee that Joshua would be next if Wilder won. Hearn replied with "it doesn't work that way"
I thought they offered him a Whyte “or anyone of his own choice” for $5M and then Joshua after it?
I might be wrong like, but didn't Eddie propose this and get a big fat NO from Wilder?
Opposite, actually. When Hearn suggested Wilder fight Whyte, Wilder said he would if Hearn would guarantee that Joshua would be next if Wilder won. Hearn replied with "it doesn't work that way"
He would have if Joshua was confirmed as next.
Seems like a pretty easy solution
I might be wrong like, but didn't Eddie propose this and get a big fat NO from Wilder?
Wilder won't take Whyte on, we all know that.
Whyte was scheduled for a final eliminator to become Wilder's mandatory and Whyte pulled out of the fight.
Can't blame Wilder for that one.
Not really exposed
Just letting Whyte the pawn know the situation
Wilders said the whole time he’d be more then happy to KO Whyte if AJ is guaranteed to be next l. Although Hearn has dangled Whyte for over a year he hasn’t or won’t promise a AJ fight if Wilder wins so f.uck it let Whyte wait. Why help Hearn / Whyte when Hearn won’t promise a AJ fight with fair terms
If Whyte really wanted Wilder as bad as he claimed he’d have fought Ortiz and been next in line after Breazeale and Wilder promised he’d fight him
But Whyte chose the easier more lucrative option with Parker so now you wait . Not that it matters Whyte fighting AJ next so whatever , But Whyte crying thinking Wilders avoiding him makes Whyte look retarded
Wilder won't take Whyte on, we all know that.
Joshua has made loads of comments before and after he made the claim on the 50 mill that he wanted the fight in the UK. He said nothing of the sort that indicated he was accepting the offer for the fight in the states. So give it a rest.
It's on video!!! If the fight is really worth 100 million, give me 50 million and I'll sign tomorrow. Nobody said the fight was worth 100 million in the UK. Obviously he was referring to Finkel's claim that it was worth 100 million in the US. Use your brain. Hearn was saying 40 mill UK, maybe 45 US, and Finkel comes in and says no, US is worth 100. Hearn says you're crazy, no way it's worth 100 in the US.
So AJ says, if it's really worth 100 there, give me 50 up front and I'll sign tomorrow. Why would he be asking for 50 in the UK when he'd already agreed to take 27.5 in the UK?
It's his biggest fight based on both having titles and being undefeated. Not to mention that the division isn't exactly bursting with talent. So yeah, that might have something to do with it. You know people like the Brit/Yank rivalry.
Right, so with all of those things being true, that would mean Wilder is a strong B-side, not a weak one. Wilder is the opponent that would generate the most money for Joshua. That means Wilder is a strong B-side, not a weak one. If Wilder is the strongest B-side possible, what sense does it make to label him a weak B-side? Don't you see how that's totally illogical?
Joshua isn't going to sell more tickets because Wilder is in the opposite corner.
That's a lie. Joshua vs. Wilder would definitely sell more tickets at Wembley than Joshua vs. Povetkin did and Joshua vs. Wilder can charge higher ticket prices.
He won't sell many more PPV's either. 200,000 to 300,000 more tops.
That's a lie. Joshua vs. Wilder would definitely sell more PPV than Joshua vs. Povetkin did, and more importantly, Joshua vs. Wilder is worthy of PPV in the US, while Joshua vs. Povetkin wasn't.
You need to come to term with the facts based on their worth, but you can't because you're biased.
What's my bias? I have no affiliation with Wilder. I'm not American. I have Joshua #1 in my heavyweight rankings. Had they fought each other in 2018, I had Joshua favored to win the fight. I've said over and over Joshua is the clear A-side and worthy of 60/40 in the UK or 65/35 in the US. Just because I know Hearn is full of **** doesn't mean I'm biased. I'm just honestly assessing the facts.
When a Heavyweight champion can't even sell out an arena
Joshua vs. Povetkin didn't sell out. Lewis vs. Tyson didn't sell out. Holyfield vs. Lewis didn't sell out. Mayweather vs. Pacquiao didn't sell out. Mayweather vs. McGregor didn't sell out. Canelo vs. GGG II didn't sell out. Sell outs are irrelevant. What matters is how much money you generate.
and only makes a couple of mill a fight
That's a lie. You have no idea what he makes per fight.
Wilder is a weak B side due to never selling out an arena in his whole career.
How can he be a weak B-side and also half of the biggest fight in history? Doesn't make any sense. As for selling out venues, anybody can sell out venues if they fight in small venues. Next to nobody fights in major arenas in the US and sells them out. Mayweather vs Pacquiao wasn't a sell out and it was the biggest fight of all time. What matters is how many dollars you generate, not whether the fight sells out. All a sell out means is that the promoter didn't charge enough for tickets.
and making **** all in the process.
You have no idea what he makes. He is Showtime's biggest draw. He is Barclays' biggest draw. Showtime is now paying an average of $5 million per PBC event and with Wilder being their biggest draw, that would mean his events would have a license fee much higher than $5 million. You're looking at filed purses, which have nothing to do with what he actually makes.
Fans wanting Joshua to fight Wilder doesn't even come into it when processing their worth.
You're not making any sense. Of course a fighter's worth is determined by how bad people want to see them fight. If Wilder was a weak B-side, he wouldn't be the opponent AJ's fans want to see the most. He wouldn't be the opponent in the biggest fight in UK history, even bigger than the Klitschko fight.
Klitscko wasn't the B side. They split the money 50/50.
You're wrong. The split was 55/45. Klitschko was the B-side.
I mean, he was the dominate champion for 10 years so it makes sense to give him half. Wilder is a scrub in comparison.
So Hearn is lying about the Wilder fight being bigger than the Klitschko fight? Joshua and Klitschko both generated major interest in Europe, but minimal interest in America. So them fighting each other doesn't generate what Joshua vs. Wilder or Klitschko vs. Wilder would generate, where the interest would be huge in both markets. It's simple economics.
Trying to make out that both are worth the same is nothing but laughable on your part. But then again, isn't that the whole point of you?
Wilder has already been offered a bigger guarantee than Klitschko had against Joshua. So it's already been proven Wilder is worth more vs. AJ than Klitschko was.
Wilder never accepted ****. He was always going to refuse to sign and then get back to asking for half, just like he was doing well before he got that offer.
That's a lie. He accepted the fight as long as it was in 2018. Hearn refused to do it in 2018.
It's funny how Wilder had no problem setting up a fight with Fury with no date and venue isn't it?
Not funny at all. The term sheet had language guaranteeing the fight would be next and would be in 2018. Just as Wilder's 50 million offer to Joshua had language guaranteeing the fight would be next and would be in 2018. The problem with Hearn's 15 million offer is that he refused to put in any language guaranteeing the fight would be next.
But obviously they would care.
Not pointless at all. How do you determine fair market value without seeing what BT would pay?
You know what a contract is, so stop with the ****ing nonsense. You're boring me now.
Because he was trying to call Finkel's bluff. Hearn's position was that the fight was worth 40 million in the UK, maybe 45 in the US, and as the A-side, AJ should command the respect to have the fight at home, even if it means each fighter making a couple million less.
Finkel's position was that the fight was worth 100 million in the US, way way way more than Hearn was claiming it was worth, and that it made no sense to do the fight in the UK when it was worth so much more in the US. A-side or not, no fighter in history has left that much money on the table to fight at home. Lennox Lewis, Canelo, Manny Pacquiao, Naseem Hamed and countless others fought their biggest fights in the US because the money was so much bigger than fighting at home, even when they were the A-side.
Hearn's position was that Finkel was full of **** about the fight being worth 100 million in the US and tried to convince AJ that he wouldn't be leaving much on the table by fighting at home. A few million tops. Finkel kept insisting the fight was worth 100 million in the US.
So AJ said, if the fight is really worth 100 million, give me 50 million and fight tomorrow. He did this to try to prove Finkel was lying. Hearn had convinced him Finkel was lying. He never expected in a million years that Finkel would actually put his money where his mouth is and guarantee the 50 million.
You can keep on with this nonsense all you want, it isn't going to change the facts. Joshua has made loads of comments before and after he made the claim on the 50 mill that he wanted the fight in the UK. He said nothing of the sort that indicated he was accepting the offer for the fight in the states. So give it a rest.
Sidney, in all seriousness, think about what you're saying. I'm trying my best to be kind here.
How can Wilder be the biggest fight possible for Joshua, yet it being the biggest fight possible for Joshua have nothing to do with Wilder? Where is the logic in that? Seriously. I'm trying not to be mean here.
How can Wilder be both a weak B-side and Joshua's biggest fight possible?
It's his biggest fight based on both having titles and being undefeated. Not to mention that the division isn't exactly bursting with talent. So yeah, that might have something to do with it. You know people like the Brit/Yank rivalry.
Joshua isn't going to sell more tickets because Wilder is in the opposite corner. He won't sell many more PPV's either. 200,000 to 300,000 more tops.
You need to come to term with the facts based on their worth, but you can't because you're biased. When a Heavyweight champion can't even sell out an arena and only makes a couple of mill a fight, you know he's a weak B side when comparing him to Joshua. Accept it and move on. Spreading propaganda for Haymon isn't going to help you because people will just laugh at you.
If everyone wants him to face Wilder, how is Wilder a weak B-side? If he's the strongest B-side possible, how is he a weak B-side? You're not making any sense.
Joshua vs. Klitschko was a two fight deal, despite Klitschko being the B-side and Hearn says Wilder is a much bigger fight. And he's right, because it's PPV worthy in the US and Joshua vs. Klitschko wasn't.
Joshua vs. Wilder is the biggest fight possible now in world boxing. Wilder agreed to fight in 2018 with no rematch. He agreed to fight for a flat fee in 2018. All of that is out the window now. The fight won't happen unless Wilder is shown proper respect.
Wilder is a weak B side due to never selling out an arena in his whole career. and making **** all in the process. Fans wanting Joshua to fight Wilder doesn't even come into it when processing their worth.
Klitscko wasn't the B side. They split the money 50/50. I mean, he was the dominate champion for 10 years so it makes sense to give him half. Wilder is a scrub in comparison. Trying to make out that both are worth the same is nothing but laughable on your part. But then again, isn't that the whole point of you?
Wilder never accepted ****. He was always going to refuse to sign and then get back to asking for half, just like he was doing well before he got that offer.
It's funny how Wilder had no problem setting up a fight with Fury with no date and venue isn't it? Even funnier when you make no mention of it you hypocrite even though you slated Joshua for having no date and venue either.
Fury just isn't very good. He has no power or balance. Wilder is bringing bricks to a pillow fight. This is just a case of how long Fury can run, slip, hold and avoid Wilders power for, then he will be KO'd.
This man was good enough to beat Wlad. Im not trying to hear any excuses.
So he shouldn’t sign the contract he agreed the terms for?
Alright time to take up a new hobby
No he isn’t signing that **** contract mofo. And he agreed to the fight because they said it would be his next fight and the stiff ****** fights Headvetkin clown. You’re a clown poster. ***.
I couldn't give a **** if they can't make their money back or not.
But obviously they would care.
It was pointless by the fact they knew Joshua was signed to Sky.
Not pointless at all. How do you determine fair market value without seeing what BT would pay?
Joshua never mentioned fighting Wilder in the states. Why would he when he's the big A side and pulls in huge crowds?
Because he was trying to call Finkel's bluff. Hearn's position was that the fight was worth 40 million in the UK, maybe 45 in the US, and as the A-side, AJ should command the respect to have the fight at home, even if it means each fighter making a couple million less.
Finkel's position was that the fight was worth 100 million in the US, way way way more than Hearn was claiming it was worth, and that it made no sense to do the fight in the UK when it was worth so much more in the US. A-side or not, no fighter in history has left that much money on the table to fight at home. Lennox Lewis, Canelo, Manny Pacquiao, Naseem Hamed and countless others fought their biggest fights in the US because the money was so much bigger than fighting at home, even when they were the A-side.
Hearn's position was that Finkel was full of **** about the fight being worth 100 million in the US and tried to convince AJ that he wouldn't be leaving much on the table by fighting at home. A few million tops. Finkel kept insisting the fight was worth 100 million in the US.
So AJ said, if the fight is really worth 100 million, give me 50 million and fight tomorrow. He did this to try to prove Finkel was lying. Hearn had convinced him Finkel was lying. He never expected in a million years that Finkel would actually put his money where his mouth is and guarantee the 50 million.
It's the biggest fight possible for Joshua. But all the interest comes from Joshua's huge following. Nothing to do with Wilder.
Sidney, in all seriousness, think about what you're saying. I'm trying my best to be kind here.
How can Wilder be the biggest fight possible for Joshua, yet it being the biggest fight possible for Joshua have nothing to do with Wilder? Where is the logic in that? Seriously. I'm trying not to be mean here.
How can Wilder be both a weak B-side and Joshua's biggest fight possible?