I'm glad GGG won't be considered in p4p #1 discussion

How many weightclasses has Broner been champ in? Just because a guy didn't drain himself to start his career, or didn't turn pro early, doesn't mean anything, it's who you beat not how many weightclasses you climb. Weight climbing should only be impressive when a guy is leaving his weight to fight bigger men, Crawford at 147 is right at home. Broner was actually out of his weight at 147, thus Broner = more impressive, using your logic. Name a single risk that ggg took as big as Broner moving up 3 weight classes to fight champions like Maidana and Porter? He called out everyone from 154-168 and refused to budge. He just lost to a guy with 0 wins over another MW. His best win is a razor thin decision to Jacobs who'd already been crushed. His 3rd best win Lemieux has been destroyed by Alcine, Rubio & Saunders. The guy is 36 years old. By age 29 he wasn't even ready for the champions having gone life and death with Kassim Ouma. His MW accomplishments aren't even more impressive than Abraham who made 10 defenses at 160 before taking a massive risk in challenging 168. And his win over Taylor is still better than anyone ggg has beaten.

P4P has always been a joke to me no matter what. Terence crawford is not going to fight a middleweight, let alone a heavyweight. Same with loma. They should change the name to best accolades list or something. Pound for pound sounds tacky to me.

Crawford is a champion in 3 different weight classes, that achievement alone is greater than anything ggg has ever done. Jacobs is nowhere near a P4P fighter and he took ggg to his limit, a P4P fighter should not be struggling with a guy like that. How many weightclasses has Broner been champ in? Just because a guy didn't drain himself to start his career, or didn't turn pro early, doesn't mean anything, it's who you beat not how many weightclasses you climb. Weight climbing should only be impressive when a guy is leaving his weight to fight bigger men, Crawford at 147 is right at home. Broner was actually out of his weight at 147, thus Broner = more impressive, using your logic.

Translation. I'm glad they robbed golovkin twice, so I don't have to concede that he's actually a good fighter. I'm kidding, I haven't scored the second fight. Hes old, he was for sure in Loma and Crawfords class. Jumping class is also something noobs don't understand the variables of. With that said, Loma is numero uno for me.

Neither Loma nor especially Crawford ever fought a caliber of a fighter like Canelo yet, not even close.

problem is nowadays fans of these fighters like GGG hype up his every win and refuse to see the limitations and flaws to his abilty they believe they are invincible and start claiming they can beat hagler, duran ect ect after beating some african roadsweeper in monaco

How do we know Crawford doesn't lose when he steps his competition level up? He's looked good against the same calibre of opposition that golovkin did. Crawford is a champion in 3 different weight classes, that achievement alone is greater than anything ggg has ever done. Jacobs is nowhere near a P4P fighter and he took ggg to his limit, a P4P fighter should not be struggling with a guy like that.

I have to say, it feels me with the most profound happiness that you continue to use the Klitlicker term years after I'd invented it and used it on this. I genuinely believe that's my greatest contribution to this site - coining the term Klitlickers because even years later, it's still damn true. I've used it at every opportune moment!! :lol1: :lol1:

Not hating on the man, but it irritated me that people considered him up there. He is not, and never has been the calibre of fighter that Loma or Crawford are. He has got nowhere near the talent, tools and versatility that those guys possess, and he certainly hasn't done it in as many weight divisions. Golovkin struggles against good fighters, those two wipe them out. You could probably throw Mikey in there too, and Usyk in recent times. To me Golovkin has always been a little overrated and a back half of the top 10 p4p type, great fighter, but too limited to be considered that high, he is a physically domineering one weight type fighter.Pound for pound is just personal opinion and that is just your opinion. I thought GGG beat Canelo twice and I don't rate Crawford as high as you do. Tell everyone Hagler,Monzon and Pryor were not very good because they only fought at one weight. Loma is the best to me. I am not sure the exact order but I rate GGG, Canelo, Usyk and Spence all higher than Crawford and Mikey. When Crawford moved up to welterweight you can't act like he is a lightweight beating welterweights. He is a welterweight and must be judged pfp as a welterweight.I think Spence would knock him out so I rate Spence higher PFP. Crawford's only win at welterweight was beating the hell out of Jeff Horn.

The excuse given now by GGG fanboys will be that it wasn't his fault that there weren't enough elite fighters in his era. The exact thing the Klitlickers used to say. I have to say, it feels me with the most profound happiness that you continue to use the Klitlicker term years after I'd invented it and used it on this. I genuinely believe that's my greatest contribution to this site - coining the term Klitlickers because even years later, it's still damn true.

Not hating on the man, but it irritated me that people considered him up there. He is not, and never has been the calibre of fighter that Loma or Crawford are. He has got nowhere near the talent, tools and versatility that those guys possess, and he certainly hasn't done it in as many weight divisions. Golovkin struggles against good fighters, those two wipe them out. You could probably throw Mikey in there too, and Usyk in recent times. To me Golovkin has always been a little overrated and a back half of the top 10 p4p type, great fighter, but too limited to be considered that high, he is a physically domineering one weight type fighter. Things changed once you match GGG with people that fight back. I'm talking about vs Jacobs and Canelo. After all that time he finally fought someone worth a damn. Didn't look so invincible then. Bum fighter

Not hating on the man, but it irritated me that people considered him up there. He is not, and never has been the calibre of fighter that Loma or Crawford are. He has got nowhere near the talent, tools and versatility that those guys possess, and he certainly hasn't done it in as many weight divisions. Golovkin struggles against good fighters, those two wipe them out. You could probably throw Mikey in there too, and Usyk in recent times. To me Golovkin has always been a little overrated and a back half of the top 10 p4p type, great fighter, but too limited to be considered that high, he is a physically domineering one weight type fighter. Crawford and mikey are not fighting canelo alvarez and danny jacob type oppenents. Apples and oranges. 2nd let's see if mikey garcia, crawford and lomo can be where ggg is at 36.

Dude, he's 36. Set the record for most consecutive KO defenses at 160.

The excuse given now by GGG fanboys will be that it wasn't his fault that there weren't enough elite fighters in his era. The exact thing the Klitlickers used to say.

Spence and Loma need to fight against a super élite fighter too. We will see

who else is there for him to fight that the fans will care to see him fight? charlo? jacob rematch? Drevencyi? all of which GGG might not win. Yep I'd like to see him fight all those guys, including BJS. Stylistically that's a great fight, I think if Saunders gets past Andrade, that might be next. Anyway if your a fan of boxing watching him fight any top middleweight is going to be exciting

Yeah its over for GGG I doubt we will see much of him going on. I hope not, and I don't believe that's the end. Most fighters still won't be able to take his power that well, nor his work rate. I think he'll be around the top of 160 for a while yet.

He's a good fighter, but he's old and past his best days up against a younger fighter in his prime. He was only P4P#1 since nobody else had much of a resume because: A) Mayweather & Pacquiao retired B) Ward was on layoff --> came back and then retired C) Lomachenko had very little fights & Usyk still up and coming D) Crawford I think wasn't an undisputed champion at that point in time? ^He knows what I'm talking about. Given the situation, it was a bit of a stretch to put Bud or Loma above GG at the time. A lot of people felt it wouldn't last, and it didn't.

I've just never seen the talent that spot warrants with him, and it's not like he had an overwhelming CV to make up for it. It's not just about talent though. You have to look at the landscape when he was rated #1 after Ward retired. You have to look at what a guy has done in combination with a lot of other things. It's easy to look back with 20/20 hindsight and say Loma and Crawford are better now because they kept winning and GG didn't. But, at the time, the press was right to call GG #1. That said, even had he won this fight, I wouldn't put him above Usyk or Loma right now.

He's a good fighter, but he's old and past his best days up against a younger fighter in his prime. He was only P4P#1 since nobody else had much of a resume because: A) Mayweather & Pacquiao retired B) Ward was on layoff --> came back and then retired C) Lomachenko had very little fights & Usyk still up and coming D) Crawford I think wasn't an undisputed champion at that point in time?