HBO IS DEAD THEIR OBSESSION WITH EE FIGHTERS KILLED It

Post the biased post from me. State why they are bias too. no, but u have your favs and you defend them. either way, whats the EBT statement all about sir?

all them ebt fools are biased. You arent biased? Ive seen several biased post from you, its funny that people who are biased call out people who have biases... EBT? what does that have to do with any of them or boxing? can you help me understand?

the card was horrible, too much talking in between fight for $95 yall can say what yall want about LDBC but they have good content, come can be biased but everyone is to a degree, 78sportstv is the least biased and has great videos!

The fear of Eastern Euros dominating boxing is REAL. They really cant stand it lol.

Who's comparing him to Floyd. Ali was a HW. Thats a whole other league of boxing with fans. And outside of a couple of his fights he was boring as f#ck. Maybe he would, but I'd bet against it. LOL we off on some whole other sh^t here. I f#cking forgot what the f#ck this even gots to do with anything we are talking about at this point. I'm saying people ain't into all that preaching bs nowadays just like they weren't back then. So Ali would likely never become loved cuz he'd be the assh#le talking sh^t & he'd have no great cause that'd keep him out of the ring...unless he got popped for PEDs or something. Retroactively people loved him. Ali wasn't loved til the back end of his career by most. He was the Floyd of HW's during most if not all of his prime. Today he'd probably be #MeToo'd out of the limelight like Cosby or Weinstein for all the underage p#ssy he enjoyed. And considering a good percentage of people consider Ali the P4P best boxer of all time or among the top 5 says he's overrated as all f#ck. The guy barely threw body punches. Mostly he just jabbed. He was maybe the quickest HW ever or among the quickest (& run like no other HW in the history of boxing maybe) & had great ring generalship/IQ & he knew how to win fights/what judges liked. But its insanity such a limited guy punch selection-wise, who probably deserved to have double digit losses, is a cat some think is the best to ever box. Who said anything about Ali preaching? Dude was just funny, same way Tyson Fury and Conor McGregor were funny. Him dissing guys like Sonny Liston, Ernie Terrell, Joe Frazier, George Foreman, wasn't him preaching. All the comedy sh&t he did with Howard Cosell and even The Beatles weren't about preaching. He was an all around entertainer, who grew up idolizing Gorgeous George and other pro wrestlers. He'd be a spectacle for his charisma, charm, and comedy, even if you won't give him anything else Kids loved the guy. He would do magic tricks. what does that have to do with preaching? I don't man, I think you've got a skewed view of Ali or something as just preaching guy who didn't throw body shots or something and ignored all the stuff that made him beloved even before his Vietnam stuff.

Ali had a lot of boring fights. I'm not saying he didn't have some fun ones to, but Ali for a HW was pretty f#cking boring overall. If not for his fights with Frazier & Foreman & a couple others he'd be neck & neck with Wladimir as the most successful yet boring HW champion of all times. Its different less big sh^t doe. The 60's cats was on another level & had to be. Mfers around today just wanna play video games & tweet sh^t & are largely happy enough based on their actions. Can't get mfers on some sh^t as big as those 60's cats were on nowadays. Who said there's no short thugs? I'm saying real gangstas ain't trying to hang with no 5'3 dude or w/e Tank is. And if they do its some novelty sh^t beyond normal novelty sh^t. LOL I'm not a Ali hater. I simply think he's mad overrated historically. And yes if he was around now I don't think people would be as excited for him. B-Hop preaches & a lot of boxing fans can't stand his speeches. Fury is maybe the most entertaining guy out of the ring today & he gets a lot of hate. Ali wouldn't be different. Sh^t Ali wasn't different. He was mostly hated in his career, but people have re-written his story like everyone was rooting for the braggart despite that sh^t never being a thing unless the other guy was a more hated bragger. 1. ALL of Floyd Mayweathers fights are boring (after 135lbs or so), people still pay to watch him, even if it's to watch him lose. No way are Ali fights more boring than Mayweathers. 2. LeBron James, Serena Williams, Colin Kaepernick, Eric Reed and tons of other athletes do more than tweet and play video games. Why would Ali with his consciousness? 3. Dude, Gervonta Davis is 5'5, which is taller than Eazy-E was, who was only 5'3" and was the ONLY real gangsta in NWA, as a member of the Kelly Park Compton Crips. Size aint **** in the hood, bruh, where everybody packs gats. 4. You're comparing B-Hop with the most charismatic athlete and maybe entertainer of the 20th Century? That's ridiculous. I don't care how overrated you think Ali is (which is crazy considering his resume), but his personality isn't in question, even by people who hated the guy. Even people who hated him from Vietnam admitted the guy was funny and smart, FFS.

I don't think todays fans would appreciate a HW who's best weapon is a jab & who goes the distance so much. Ali is a better version of Chris Byrd if he was around today & he might only be a top 20ish guy cuz the size issue is a problem & his power not keeping opponents honest. Its not the same now as it was back then doe. I'd doubt gangsters would hang with a 8th grader sized dude. Dude, Ali was more exciting to watch than Floyd Mayweather, wasn't he? Is Floyd Mayweather not successful? And if things aren't that bad today, then why are we having race riots all over America as we speak? You don't think a guy like that would be a part of the movement with his consciousness? A Black American heavyweight champion, who's handsome, charismatic, controversial, and (regardless of what you say) extremely talented is money. Ali would be printing money. He'd rescue the sport by himself. And I know you can't be from the hood if you aint never seen no short thugs. Dude, everybody's 10ft tall with a strap and people don't fight no more. Like, I know you're an Ali hater, but it's ridiculous to underrate his personality as much as you do. Dude's the most charismatic athlete of all-time, yet you think nobody would want to watch him because he's not Mike Tyson? I mean, Tyson Fury's talked himself into a world heavyweight championship shot. And he doesn't knock people out either Guys like Conor McGregor are printing money because of their mouth. Floyd Mayweather's a money printing machine and hasn't knocked anyone out in a decade. I totally forgot the inroads with things like WWE he had. Ali was a big wrestling guy and was in the first Wrestlemania. A young Ali would be doing all kinds of crossover stuff with that, today too. He'd be on your TV everyday. Dating Rihanna, fighting with Donald Trump, supporting Kaepernick, making fun of Anthony Joshua, and hanging out with Kendrick Lamar at Black Lives Matter rallys.

One episode of Game of Thrones probably gets more views than an entire year of boxing. Can you really blame them?

I'm not sure it was their "obsession". They lost Lomachenko because Top Rank went to ESPN and GGG would draw it's highest ratings outside of Canelo. I think Kovalev drew better than most on it too. It's not like the Super Fly cards are drawing well or if the Jacobs shows did well or if Ward was drawing well. They simply just cut their budget and had less and less dates and promoters took their guys elsewhere. I don't think it's due to showing European boxers I think it's more down to they just didn't have regular programming. I think it's very likely in 12 months there will be no more HBO Boxing. I think Kellerman and Lampley are insanely biased and at times annoying but I still like the production value and excitement that an HBO broadcast produces. A lot of classic fights I still watch to this day were HBO shows. Them days are gone. Their production value as far as lighting, coloring, camera work are all a notch above anyone else in the business, but they have been doing it for 30+ years now... Their commentary team started to get bad when they added Max Kellerman. He started his tenure as the ultimate Floyd fanboy, I guess with how Merchant was to Mayweather, they wanted someone to keep Floyd on the network. It got tiresome very fast, and he was clearly told to dial it back, but recently, he just dont care anymore. He probably gets paid by event and isn't salaried, and the shows are so few and far between now, he is just going full fangirl again. If you have fast hands and head movement, there is zero chance Kellerman will ever think you are losing a fight. You get hit? You are probably just setting up a trap. You cover up while you are getting a beating? You are intelligently weathering the storm. He just makes comments that makes everyone in the room look at each other like "what fight is he watching?" Some times it feels like he wrote down all the notes for how he thought the fight was going to go, and just reads them on air, because his comments dont reflect whats going on very often anymore. Then there is Lamply who was fine when he was just doing blow by blow, but with Max going so far one direction, he seems to be trying to offer contrasting opinions, either to spur conversation, or to keep things balanced. It just makes it end up looking like neither of them are actually paying any attention to whats happening in the ring, as they both have to be told by Roy Jones. What also really rubs me the wrong way about Max is that he tries to sound so passionate and like he really cares about the sport and whats going on, but he is fangirling so hard, he is just completely oblivious to how biased his commentary is.

It was their obsession with cutting the budget, in 1999 their budget was $100 million, this year it was probably less then $10 million. Good riddance imo.

Not in the context of eras. A star today is much less then a star back in the day just cuz boxers aren't known as well today cuz boxing went to premium cable where less people can view it. I said he'd be hanging with that dude with all the 69 tattoos not having 69 tattoos. He wouldn't be down with no Malcolm X type cats thats for f#cking sure. I don't necessarily think so. I think his ceiling is waaaaay lower if he was coming out now or in the last 10-20 years. People wouldn't even be hearing him like that to know he was funny. And maybe Tank is hanging out with Malcolm X if he was around in the 60's vs at strip clubs & getting educated on the world more like Ali was able to do. Just because boxing isn't as popular doesn't mean that Ali would be. Floyd Mayweather is technically the most successful fighter in the history of the sport in terms of drawing. You don't think Ali with his personality and charm along with him being a heavyweight could be a bigger star than Floyd Mayweather? And why wouldn't Ali be down with Black Lives Matter? Why would a guy like him be with the thugs. He'd be down with the same type of Black people he was around before, which is conscious Black people. You act like we're not in an era of Black activism again as we speak. And why wouldn't Tank be down with thugs in the '60s? Sonny Liston and Rocky Marciano hung out with gangsters all the time. Gangsters killed Liston, FFS. People generally are who they are.

HBO only wanted boxing because it brought eyeballs, now it doesn’t bring eyeballs. They went from like 25 headliners in the 80s, to 20 headliners in the 90s, to a dozen in the 2000s, and now basically down to canelo as a legit big time draw. As boxings popularity declined in America, so has hbos budget for it

I'm not even getting into the Ali stuff in this thread cuz I've talked about it a bunch here already, but Ali got more L's then 5 if you've watched his fights first off. Anyone talking about Canelo getting gifts & he ain't sh^t better not talk to me about how epic Ali was cuz Ali got a bunch of gifts. What I'm saying is Ali & SRL aren't Ali & SRL if they are around today. They would be fighting to less fans watching & Ali specifically would have no great battle with the government which is one of the things that made him appreciated by fans. He's be hanging out with that dude with 69's tattooed all over his body. No I'm thinking of that exact sh^t. And how much MORE hate he'd get today cuz more people have opinions to give on SM. There's be all kinda of f#cked up memes on Ali. Again man you are losing the narrative in the names. Throw Spence in there. Throw Floyd in there. Throw Fury in there. If cats from now were around back then & talented they'd be bigger to the mainstream audience. And Ali & big fighters back then around now would be much smaller. Boxing was a more mainstream sport back then & boxing is more niche now. No it wasn't. Ali isn't Ali if only 1M people are watching his fights. He'd be getting suspended by WBC guy for calling mfers racial sh^t lol. I don't even think he'd be the same type of cat cuz the whole world is different now then back then. He wouldn't be so militant coming up in this era cuz that sh^t don't even exist now like it did back then. And maybe guys from now ARE more thoughtful if they were around in that more compelling era for different reasons. There are so many variables in play then just the things then either of us could bring up with highly speculative sh^t like this. But mainly my point is what someone is or isn't the upside of guys around now would be bigger back then & guys from back then would have lower ceilings. I think you aren't thinking about this scenario in a real way. If Ali was around now he'd be with PBC & Liston would be with Arum & that fight wouldn't have happened til Ali was probably 29 or older. If guys now were allowed to fight the best guys as soon as they were showing up on the world scene who f#cking knows who'd be big or larger then life. Guys around today don't have the same opportunity to show their greatness as guys around back then cuz it was more fight by fight then it is now with guys having to sign long term sketchy ass contracts to be able to get some opportunity in the game. I get what you're saying, but a star is a star. Of course Ali & Leonard would be controversial, but even with that, the personalities would carry them through man. Why would Ali have 69 tattoos. Does LeBron James? Does Serena Williams? Does Dwyane Wade? Hell, I"m Black and from the hood and I have zero tattoos. And you keep putting Ali's popularity down to his Vietnam stance and his militant stances, but he was more popular because he was funny as hell. Dude was stand up comedy level funny and was clever and smart. He was an entertainer. That transcends time and era. Look at guys like Tyson Fury and Conor McGregor. Look at how being funny, a little crazy has taken them from zero to the top of their careers. Ali was funnier, crazier, and more talented. If that guy was walking around today, even with whatever issues he might get himself into, that would make him and the sport bigger. Meanwhile, Tank Davis just got arrested again. Gervonta Davis Charged With Disorderly Conduct

Right. But why would guys like the Tanks and Broners and Charlos of the world be out there in the mainstream? They're not transcendent talents like Floyd, Ali, Tyson, etc. . . and they don't fight anywhere near enough to maintain a real presence, and they just come off as unlikeable 90% of the time. Bud Crawford and Errol Spence are the closest things we have to transcendent talents, right now, but unfortunately the promoter wars are gonna make it too hard for them to get the fights to become big stars and they don't have big personalities to make up for that fact. Sugar Ray Leonard and Muhammad Ali would be bigger stars today. Just imagine Muhammad Ali with Twitter? Imagine what he'd be saying about Donald Trump? or Tyson Fury? or Deontay Wilder or Anthony Joshua? He'd be in movies, TV shows. He would've definitely made a rap album by now. Sugar Ray Leonard was handsome, articulate, came off as clean cut and was entertaining to watch at the same time. That's my point. American boxing's not creating guys like that anymore to be promoted by anybody. I wasn't comparing Broner & Tank to Ali & Leonard in talent. trust me..i didnt figure u were...nobody is that stupid...lol

They'd have had the chance at the mainstream cuz lotsa cats fought on regular TV back in the day. Think you aren't understanding me. I'm flipping Ali & SRL to today & Tank & dem to the past. My point isn't their talent cuz I think Ali is overrated as f#ck & idk that we know how great the Charlo's & Tank can be yet. My point is about how things were different back then & highly talented fighters fought on regular TV all the time back then & therefore had a bigger presence in the hearts & minds of mainstream boxing fans vs the hardcores who support guys now. Ali wouldn't be Ali if he was around today. He'd be Broner taking IG pics of himself sh^tting & flipping out on Uber drivers. Ali would be fighting mfers in strip clubs. Ali in 2018 ain't the same mfer he was in 1960 & probably would be banned from twitter. I disagree with your point. SRL gots a sex tape if he's around in 2018. This is a different time. No one would be Ali or SRL in this era. That corny good guy sh^t don't play the same way. Not to mention if Ali was around today he's fighting on HBO to a much smaller audience then he did for his whole career & his biggest fights are on PPV for 1M people give or take. And there is no Vietnam war protest to get Ali into appreciated territory at the end of his career like he did back in the day. How Ali could be overrated when he's got the best resume in the history of the HW division is beyond me, but that's besides the point. Leonard and Ali were charismatic. That's would be the case in 1950 or 2018. It doesnt matter. Muhammad Ali is quoted just like Ghandi or MLK are. You think Broner and Charlo are that smart and witty? And they're not as smart and articulate as Sugar Ray Leonard either. So yeah, Ali and Leonard would have dirt on them. They did in their time too. Are you forgetting Ali joined a Black separatist group that hated White people and was the most hated man in America? I'm sorry, there's nothing in 2018 that could get him in that much trouble as he was during the Vietnam era. And we all knew Sugar Ray had a coke problem back in the '80s. Fine, but he still would be a smart and articulate guy in any era with transcendent boxing skills. Broner and Davis are not that. If you put Broner, a weight bully who's lost to every decent fighter he fought in the '60s, he wouldn't even be a gatekeeper and Davis might be a gatekeeper if that in most past eras. And yes, boxing was more mainstream, but that's because of guys personalities as well. Ali in 2018 would be a combination of LeBron, The Rock, and Kendrick Lamar or something. A controversial, rapping, movie star, activist, and athletic marvel. A star is a star in any era, even without boxing being as big as it was, his personality would carry him. Leonard too. I agree with you about us not knowing how great the Charlos and Davis will be, but just think about this. By the time Ali was 25, he had already beaten 1 of the 10 greatest HWs of all-time twice in Liston, and 2 hall of famers in Floyd Patterson & Archie Moore. They're not producing people like that anymore. Until we in America start producing special guys on that level again, boxing's not gonna be mainstream.

Bud Crawford Right. Well like you said its different now. Do you think SRL & Ali would have been as big as they got if they've fought on cable, HBO or Showtime & PPV for their biggest fights for their whole career? I don't. I think most people would agree. Or at best it'd been much harder for them to reach the level they did & there time in mainstream culture woulda been much shorter cuz it'd have happened later in their career. And I also think if Tank or Broner or the Charlo's were out there in the mainstream like SRL & Ali had the luck to be based on the time they existed in boxing they'd be much bigger then they are now. Its difficult to compare the old days with today when the landscape of the sport is so different. Its a apples to orange comparison. But why would guys like the Tanks and Broners and Charlos of the world be out there in the mainstream? They're not transcendent talents like Floyd, Ali, Tyson, etc. . . and they don't fight anywhere near enough to maintain a real presence, and they just come off as unlikeable 90% of the time. Bud Crawford and Errol Spence are the closest things we have to transcendent talents, right now, but unfortunately the promoter wars are gonna make it too hard for them to get the fights to become big stars and they don't have big personalities to make up for that fact. Sugar Ray Leonard and Muhammad Ali would be bigger stars today. Just imagine Muhammad Ali with Twitter? Imagine what he'd be saying about Donald Trump? or Tyson Fury? or Deontay Wilder or Anthony Joshua? He'd be in movies, TV shows. He would've definitely made a rap album by now. Sugar Ray Leonard was handsome, articulate, came off as clean cut and was entertaining to watch at the same time. That's my point. American boxing's not creating guys like that anymore to be promoted by anybody. in your previous post tho u mentioned a guy like shane mosley....shane never crossed over either or was really all that popular....you are comparing broner and davis to ali and leaonard now...cmon?!?!? you were right in what you said before tho...the sport has changed...its not as popular as it was in the days of ali, leonard or tyson......meanwhile the nba and nfl are bout 50x as popular now as they were back when those guys were big I wasn't comparing Broner & Tank to Ali & Leonard in talent.

They failed. They tried to shove no good White fighters down our throats and it back fired. Hope King Canelo leaves them after this and joins Showtime. Showtime is the place to be. Nothing to do with the race. Someone like Pavlik if promoted properly would have been huge. Bigger than Floyd if they kept him undefeated.

I do not think it is HBO that has the obsession problem. This thread is an example of the folks :grr: I speak

didn't watch the video, but nothing to do with EE's. HBO has been cutting their budget for years, and not replacing big name fighters when they've left or retired.

They burned bridges with Haymon and Arum. No way they could survive and honestly I don't think they cared.