Can we stop this Myth that Arum doesn't work with PBC?

There you go. If uncle Al can't even make Danny G, Porter, Thurman fight Spence why even talk about someone else's backyard? If you want to blame Arum, then blame Haymon as well. It's also about the fighters, whether they want it or not. Spence and Crawford obviously doesn't want it now. Look at Mikey Garcia. He wants Spence now, so he's getting it. Haven't heard Crawford doing the same thing. Is Mikey v Spence even happening? I highly doubt it tbh. Spence's championship run is almost as embarrassing as Wilders.

Arum is 86 years OLD nothing but respect to him to still be able to get around and still be as sharp as he is at that age. HOWEVER, I do think once his Son In Law takes things over, then making fights like Spence vs Crawford and Mikey Garcia vs Loma will become much easier:dunno: So the guy who has made tons of classic fights suddenly doesnt want to make them anymore?

There you go. If uncle Al can't even make Danny G, Porter, Thurman fight Spence why even talk about someone else's backyard? If you want to blame Arum, then blame Haymon as well. It's also about the fighters, whether they want it or not. Spence and Crawford obviously doesn't want it now. Look at Mikey Garcia. He wants Spence now, so he's getting it. Haven't heard Crawford doing the same thing. I haven't seen anything from Crawford to show he's yellow. So I won't blame him just yet. Also nothing to suggest Mikey v spence is happening. I've seen suggestions of yellow in Mikey so I'll be surprised to see it happen.

OH I see so top rank has to pay other promoters and fighters in order to put them on his ESPN cards. Are the dates for these cards decided by espn or Top rank? And isn't this tactic a little risky for top rank if he doesn't have the promoters and fighters under exclusive contracts. Otherwise fighters they help build could appear on DAZN or golden boy cards and he would always have to worry about promoters deciding to pick sides. For instance lou always works with haymon. Unless Top rank gets a exclusive with these guys it seems as though promoters like star, banner, dibella, and the promoters without a tv deal will be having dazn, top rank, pbc all bid for their fighters and the highest bidder will get the fighters they want. That isn't good for espn long term or top rank. Just like with Showtime, ESPN gives Top Rank a date that works for them, and leave Arum to build an event that works; if the date doesn't work, ESPN offers the next date that works for them, I think. Most fight agreements come with options (in case something goes left; think Dogboe sparking Magdeleno), but there's a reason why Arum books mismatches where the only competitive fights are the ones where he has both sides of the event under contract. ESPN hitching their wagon to Top Rank was likely a mistake, but it's not a disastrous for the simple fact that they likely got the deal for cheap, they can turn over the Top Rank library on ESPN+ to make back most of it, and Vasyl Lomachenko may be a good enough fighter to clear out 135lbs if he can avoid Mikey Garcia.

There are dozens of Haymon fights and others that have fought on other platforms alongside with Arum and HBO. I'm not saying he can't be difficult to work with, but for the most part that Cold war was mainly a Arum vs Floyd thing, not an Arum vs Haymon thing. Lomachenko fought Gary Russel JR(an even fight at that point with GRJ even being the favorite) Crawford fought Diaz, and John Molina JR. There's also numerous amounts of other instances of Bob Arum and or HBO working with Haymon and showtime. I'm not saying it's something that's hard to do but I feel like Spence and Crawford could definitely make the fight happen easier if they called for it. If i'm wrong let me know, this isn't trying to be a snarky thread, but can someone dig up how many haymon fighters have fought on HBO or ESPN and vice versa? If the deal is favourable Arum will work with anyone... That’s why he’s the best promoter of all time.

Yes and no. If I understand things correctly, Top Rank Boxing is the only company that ESPN can buy fights from, ESPN gives Top Rank money for a TV date, Top Rank pays a promoter (in this example, let's it's Lou DiBella) to bring the fighter he has rights to to ESPN, and that promoter and fighter split the Top Rank payment however their agreement says the money should be split. . Haymon is in an interesting spot if you think about it. PBC on FOX/FS1/BounceTV (the most likely "regular TV" package) is basically competing for content alongside ESPN; as the content buyer, PBC (Haymon) "buys" the cards from promoters, largely featuring Haymon fighters, and broadcasts the shows on TV. On the other hand, with Showtime, Stephen Espinoza is the content buyer for fights (with Haymon basically having an exclusive deal); Espinoza will have money for a date, Espinoza will pay a promoter, that promoter will work out the details with the fighters, and the fighters and promoter will split everything after the event. Haymon usually controlling both fighters in the main event and many guys on the show, you basically have Haymon allocating most of the money for the promoter, instead of the other way. OH I see so top rank has to pay other promoters and fighters in order to put them on his ESPN cards. Are the dates for these cards decided by espn or Top rank? And isn't this tactic a little risky for top rank if he doesn't have the promoters and fighters under exclusive contracts. Otherwise fighters they help build could appear on DAZN or golden boy cards and he would always have to worry about promoters deciding to pick sides. For instance lou always works with haymon. Unless Top rank gets a exclusive with these guys it seems as though promoters like star, banner, dibella, and the promoters without a tv deal will be having dazn, top rank, pbc all bid for their fighters and the highest bidder will get the fighters they want. That isn't good for espn long term or top rank.

But you want him gone. Arum is 86 years OLD nothing but respect to him to still be able to get around and still be as sharp as he is at that age. HOWEVER, I do think once his Son In Law takes things over, then making fights like Spence vs Crawford and Mikey Garcia vs Loma will become much easier:dunno:

PBC and arum have made small fights. Same when GBP and arum had beef they made small fights. They always had problems negotiating the big fights.

There you go. If uncle Al can't even make Danny G, Porter, Thurman fight Spence why even talk about someone else's backyard? If you want to blame Arum, then blame Haymon as well. It's also about the fighters, whether they want it or not. Spence and Crawford obviously doesn't want it now. Look at Mikey Garcia. He wants Spence now, so he's getting it. Haven't heard Crawford doing the same thing. Uncle Al has already made Thurman-Porter, Thurman-Garcia, Spence-Brook and Garcia-Porter. Tell me again what’s comparable?

Crawford v Spence can happen but when Haymon refuses to make his own top dogs fight, why would he match one with a rival top dog? It took 18 months longer than needed to make Thurman v Porter, it took a year longer than needed to make thurman v Garcia, it's taken this long to make Porter/Garcia and Spence, since beating Brook has been scraping the bottom of the barrel. PBC/Haymon and everyone involved in that enterprise are parasites to this sport. There you go. If uncle Al can't even make Danny G, Porter, Thurman fight Spence why even talk about someone else's backyard? If you want to blame Arum, then blame Haymon as well. It's also about the fighters, whether they want it or not. Spence and Crawford obviously doesn't want it now. Look at Mikey Garcia. He wants Spence now, so he's getting it. Haven't heard Crawford doing the same thing.

There are dozens of Haymon fights and others that have fought on other platforms alongside with Arum and HBO. I'm not saying he can't be difficult to work with, but for the most part that Cold war was mainly a Arum vs Floyd thing, not an Arum vs Haymon thing. Lomachenko fought Gary Russel JR(an even fight at that point with GRJ even being the favorite) Crawford fought Diaz, and John Molina JR. There's also numerous amounts of other instances of Bob Arum and or HBO working with Haymon and showtime. I'm not saying it's something that's hard to do but I feel like Spence and Crawford could definitely make the fight happen easier if they called for it. If i'm wrong let me know, this isn't trying to be a snarky thread, but can someone dig up how many haymon fighters have fought on HBO or ESPN and vice versa? Arum has always been about money first. Pac v Floy was not stopped by Arum, it was stopped by the lil boy and his cowardice. Crawford v Spence can happen but when Haymon refuses to make his own top dogs fight, why would he match one with a rival top dog? It took 18 months longer than needed to make Thurman v Porter, it took a year longer than needed to make thurman v Garcia, it's taken this long to make Porter/Garcia and Spence, since beating Brook has been scraping the bottom of the barrel. PBC/Haymon and everyone involved in that enterprise are parasites to this sport.

NOTHING is wrong with it but look at the title of the thread, some fight fans seem to try and deny that is what he does :dunno: But you want him gone.

But you love to say how much boxing is a business. So whats wrong with Arum trying to get the most money for himself? NOTHING is wrong with it but look at the title of the thread, some fight fans seem to try and deny that is what he does :dunno:

Forget just PBC, I don't see Arum doing ANY Mega PPV Fights with any other Promoters unless they take a Flat Fee/Purse. Arum made it clear he is not opening his books for no one so you're not going to see Arum do a % Split type of fight. He likes to keep things in house because it = More Money For Him! With respect to Arum but I do look forward to the day when Todd Deboef takes over things at Top Rank. I think fights will be made a lot smoother when he is in charge. He knows how stubborn his Father In Law is and I think he will do things a lot different. Say what you want about Eddie but I do think boxing needs more Young Minds with Fresher and more Current Ideas in Position of Power in the Sport and not Old Guys who are stuck in their ways and still be think the Internet USELESS :lol1: But you love to say how much boxing is a business. So whats wrong with Arum trying to get the most money for himself?

does lou dibella get paid by top rank or espn. Top rank has a deal with espn but like a half of the fights will come from other promoters how are those promoters benefitting? and can fighters with lou and warren fight with haymon and PBC. Yes and no. If I understand things correctly, Top Rank Boxing is the only company that ESPN can buy fights from, ESPN gives Top Rank money for a TV date, Top Rank pays a promoter (in this example, let's it's Lou DiBella) to bring the fighter he has rights to to ESPN, and that promoter and fighter split the Top Rank payment however their agreement says the money should be split. . Haymon is in an interesting spot if you think about it. PBC on FOX/FS1/BounceTV (the most likely "regular TV" package) is basically competing for content alongside ESPN; as the content buyer, PBC (Haymon) "buys" the cards from promoters, largely featuring Haymon fighters, and broadcasts the shows on TV. On the other hand, with Showtime, Stephen Espinoza is the content buyer for fights (with Haymon basically having an exclusive deal); Espinoza will have money for a date, Espinoza will pay a promoter, that promoter will work out the details with the fighters, and the fighters and promoter will split everything after the event. Haymon usually controlling both fighters in the main event and many guys on the show, you basically have Haymon allocating most of the money for the promoter, instead of the other way.

Top Rank doesn't have any massive money makers, which is why they have to be extremely careful. They got the ESPN deal using Pacquiao, Crawford and Lomachenko. They have nobody else that anybody cares about. What ESPN bought was being the exclusive home of those fighters. A Crawford loss against a fighter Arum doesn't control would be an absolute disaster. The TR roster is razor thin, trying to recover, has momentum, but still shaky. A Crawford loss would mean Haymon has 100% monopoly of 147, Crawford has absolutely no recourse to recover, and Arum before you know it has only Lomachenko as a fighter of any consequence. It would just be bad business. What's in it for Arum? Sure it's great if Crawford wins, but Arum didn't survive this long taking those kinds of reckless risks. does lou dibella get paid by top rank or espn. Top rank has a deal with espn but like a half of the fights will come from other promoters how are those promoters benefitting? and can fighters with lou and warren fight with haymon and PBC.

Tevin Farmer is with Lou DiBella, who is affiliated with Al Haymon. does lou dibella get paid by top rank or espn. Top rank has a deal with espn but like a half of the fights will come from other promoters how are those promoters benefitting? and can fighters with lou and warren fight with haymon and PBC.

I think the myth of haymon not working with people itself died a long time ago. The only ones not making fights are arum and Oscar funny they are the ones that went on the save boxing tour together

since when was crawford some massive money maker for top rank. Top Rank doesn't have any massive money makers, which is why they have to be extremely careful. They got the ESPN deal using Pacquiao, Crawford and Lomachenko. They have nobody else that anybody cares about. What ESPN bought was being the exclusive home of those fighters. A Crawford loss against a fighter Arum doesn't control would be an absolute disaster. The TR roster is razor thin, trying to recover, has momentum, but still shaky. A Crawford loss would mean Haymon has 100% monopoly of 147, Crawford has absolutely no recourse to recover, and Arum before you know it has only Lomachenko as a fighter of any consequence. It would just be bad business. What's in it for Arum? Sure it's great if Crawford wins, but Arum didn't survive this long taking those kinds of reckless risks.

stop being difficult. obviously he could have said that before he signed. The only one being difficult is you. You are doing this because you are still upset posters you believe were black (therefore in your mind Spence and/or Crawford fans) criticized GGG's resume and the Brook and Vanes fights. You are desperately trying to frame this as an example of your oft stated opinion that black boxers do not get criticized like eastern European fighters do. This isn't true of course. Worse, you don't even know if those posters were black or like either fighter. You just assume they do for purposes of your warped agenda and mindset. Otherwise, you wouldn't be so adamant about blaming them when we all saw what Bob had to say about why he wouldn't make this fight right now. Just really sad and pathetic on your part.