Will Wilder-Fury make more revenue then Joshua-Povetkin?

LOL you guys really have zero chill, STOP IT!!!! Poll time.

That's not how it works. So Joshua would have done 10 million views on terrestrial television? Cool, but SHO only has around 25 million subscribers. So when you do 1.2 million viewers going up against the Kovalev HBO card and other events, it is pretty damn impressive. You don't do those types of numbers if you have no name. You want to know how many tickets he sold against those guys? He sold well, had over 12k for the Washington fight. Anyways, I already broke down to you how it is possible for Wilder/Fury to generate more revenue. You say Joshua/Povetkin does 1.5 million buys? I tend to think around 1.2 million. The Parker fight got a lot more hype and this is before the Wilder negotiations broke down. I think it is more likely it does around the 1.2 million range. But even then, Wilder/Fury doing 350k at the price of $70 generates 12.25 million compared to Joshua/Povetkin at $25.54 generation 15.32 million. So one fight can do four times as less buys and still only generate $3 million fewer off the PPV. And then when you take into consideration the UK PPV, it becomes similar. Only thing is I think DAZN will be giving quite a bit for the fight and that kind of cancels out what Wilder/Fury will generate off PPVs. Because in the past SHO has paid license fees of 1-1.5 million for Joshua fights that take place in the UK. You have to think DAZN went far and beyond that number. I can be wrong though. Maybe they only are offering a 2 million fee to air the fight. I don't know. But I do know Wilder/Fury can come close to having a same type of live gate to Joshua/Povetkin even if they sell only 12k tickets compared to 80k. And if Wilder/Fury get to 500k buys? Yeah, then they have a great shot at generating more revenue than Joshua/Povetkin. But I need more clarity of how much this fight can generate in Russia and if it is even on PPV. The fight in Russia would air around mid night or 1 am. Not sure if that affects anything or not. for a start there is no guarantee the wilder fury will sell out a 22.000 T mobile arena.....fury might get 2 or 3 thousand travelling over to vegas but no way will 6 or 7 travel over. Secondly 80k stadium will make around 11 or 12 million dollars. Wilder will agve to become a superstar over night to carry this fight and against tyson fury it's just not an attractive fight....i am saying it won't do more revenue than joshua vs povetkin....and let say something to you which you probaby don't know. The joshua klitchcko gate revenue was quoted at £10 million but 80% percent of the tickets were purchased by stubhub who then inflated the price to over the dheapest to $300 dollars a ticket.....and even then i knew people who paid more so the gate is well over that if you really add it up the true revenue I say joshua povetkin will make more....now we drop this till we know.

No. Joshua is a monster money generator in the UK and Povetkin is a big name, despite his age and failed PED tests. Fury was never all that big in the UK & is virtually unknown here, where the fight is supposed to take place. And Wilder? He's known, but this is his first PPV & he may just be starting to fill more seats. LOL you guys really have zero chill, STOP IT!!!!

This fight will not be in Vegas they cant generate the money from these 2 boxers hence the reason why we have no date and venue. They will keep on dragging on like they do hoping to drag up some interest but you cant get away from who they are - The US public are not that stupid if they rated Wilder he would be making headlines and filling stadiums already.

being on showtime normal viewing is a big differnce to people paying out 70 or 80 dollars for it. Now 1.2 million with a population is hardly groundshaking so stop talking silly. If joshua boxed on normal t.V like BBC or ITV 10 million would probably watch it. Look im not demeaning wilder as he should be mainstream star in the us but he is not...and yes fighting ortiz he sold 12k tickets but that was his bigget fight of his career....what about spilka, washington,duhaupas. I hope it sells well because its good for boxing but matching up with joshua vs povekin my opinion it will come second 80k tickets and 1.5 million on box office will be very very hard to beat. Fury will not get an army like a ricky hatton going over to the states. He is just not that fan friendly and lets not run away yet because fury is very erratic and off key and quite easily pulls out before fight night. We will see That's not how it works. So Joshua would have done 10 million views on terrestrial television? Cool, but SHO only has around 25 million subscribers. So when you do 1.2 million viewers going up against the Kovalev HBO card and other events, it is pretty damn impressive. You don't do those types of numbers if you have no name. You want to know how many tickets he sold against those guys? He sold well, had over 12k for the Washington fight. Anyways, I already broke down to you how it is possible for Wilder/Fury to generate more revenue. You say Joshua/Povetkin does 1.5 million buys? I tend to think around 1.2 million. The Parker fight got a lot more hype and this is before the Wilder negotiations broke down. I think it is more likely it does around the 1.2 million range. But even then, Wilder/Fury doing 350k at the price of $70 generates 12.25 million compared to Joshua/Povetkin at $25.54 generation 15.32 million. So one fight can do four times as less buys and still only generate $3 million fewer off the PPV. And then when you take into consideration the UK PPV, it becomes similar. Only thing is I think DAZN will be giving quite a bit for the fight and that kind of cancels out what Wilder/Fury will generate off PPVs. Because in the past SHO has paid license fees of 1-1.5 million for Joshua fights that take place in the UK. You have to think DAZN went far and beyond that number. I can be wrong though. Maybe they only are offering a 2 million fee to air the fight. I don't know. But I do know Wilder/Fury can come close to having a same type of live gate to Joshua/Povetkin even if they sell only 12k tickets compared to 80k. And if Wilder/Fury get to 500k buys? Yeah, then they have a great shot at generating more revenue than Joshua/Povetkin. But I need more clarity of how much this fight can generate in Russia and if it is even on PPV. The fight in Russia would air around mid night or 1 am. Not sure if that affects anything or not.

At what point did I disagree that Joshua/Povetkin won't be bigger? I said if Wilder/Fury does around 500k buys, then it will be hard for the Joshua/Povetkin fight to generate more revenue than Wilder/Fury. So explain how Wilder did 1.2 million on SHO and put 14k at Barclays if he isn't known? Do some actual research instead of just listening to what Eddie has to say. I made you completely lose you ***** by listing facts that bothered you. Hilarious. So stop ducking the question and answer it. How many buys does Wilder/Fury need to do to be a huge fight? Or better yet, give me your prediction of what it will do. being on showtime normal viewing is a big differnce to people paying out 70 or 80 dollars for it. Now 1.2 million with a population is hardly groundshaking so stop talking silly. If joshua boxed on normal t.V like BBC or ITV 10 million would probably watch it. Look im not demeaning wilder as he should be mainstream star in the us but he is not...and yes fighting ortiz he sold 12k tickets but that was his bigget fight of his career....what about spilka, washington,duhaupas. I hope it sells well because its good for boxing but matching up with joshua vs povekin my opinion it will come second 80k tickets and 1.5 million on box office will be very very hard to beat. Fury will not get an army like a ricky hatton going over to the states. He is just not that fan friendly and lets not run away yet because fury is very erratic and off key and quite easily pulls out before fight night. We will see

No. Joshua is a monster money generator in the UK and Povetkin is a big name, despite his age and failed PED tests. Fury was never all that big in the UK & is virtually unknown here, where the fight is supposed to take place. And Wilder? He's known, but this is his first PPV & he may just be starting to fill more seats.

Look gob****e i have already said to you that joshua vs povetkin will be bigger revenue than wilder vs fury. If you wanna lay a wager ion it then just back up your talk.and that is all i am going to say on this matter. That is what the thread is about. And yes wilder is not really known to the usa general public thats a fact. At what point did I disagree that Joshua/Povetkin won't be bigger? I said if Wilder/Fury does around 500k buys, then it will be hard for the Joshua/Povetkin fight to generate more revenue than Wilder/Fury. So explain how Wilder did 1.2 million on SHO and put 14k at Barclays if he isn't known? Do some actual research instead of just listening to what Eddie has to say. I made you completely lose you ***** by listing facts that bothered you. Hilarious. So stop ducking the question and answer it. How many buys does Wilder/Fury need to do to be a huge fight? Or better yet, give me your prediction of what it will do.

How many more times are you guys going to continue saying Wilder is not really known in the US. Despite the numbers he did against Ortiz and the amount of seats he filled at the Barclays for that fight? And yes, they will charge insane prices. Will it be insane as GGG vs Canelo? Of course not, but even a fourth of that is pretty crazy. What to you is a huge fight in the US. What kind of PPV numbers does it have to do to be a huge fight? Look gob****e i have already said to you that joshua vs povetkin will be bigger revenue than wilder vs fury. If you wanna lay a wager ion it then just back up your talk.and that is all i am going to say on this matter. That is what the thread is about. And yes wilder is not really known to the usa general public thats a fact.

You wrote fights like these they charge insane prices... I say not insane prices for a heavyweight that's not really known in the us and challenger who looked terrible last week and also struggles to sell out arenas in the U.K. ...it will take marketing miracle to make this fight huge in the US. Wilder vs fury is not a competitive fight because fury is not ready and looked shocking last week. How many more times are you guys going to continue saying Wilder is not really known in the US. Despite the numbers he did against Ortiz and the amount of seats he filled at the Barclays for that fight? And yes, they will charge insane prices. Will it be insane as GGG vs Canelo? Of course not, but even a fourth of that is pretty crazy. What to you is a huge fight in the US. What kind of PPV numbers does it have to do to be a huge fight?

Is it PPV in Russia? If not, which station purchased the fight and for how much? So that international revenue factor would increase by at least a couple of million then. Who said they will charge the same as the two fights you mentioned? Those two fights you mentioned did over 16 and 17 million in live gate. I'm predicting a fourth of that, which is still VERY good. You wrote fights like these they charge insane prices... I say not insane prices for a heavyweight that's not really known in the us and challenger who looked terrible last week and also struggles to sell out arenas in the U.K. ...it will take marketing miracle to make this fight huge in the US. Wilder vs fury is not a competitive fight because fury is not ready and looked shocking last week.

Stop comparing Fury/Wilder to Canelo/GGG. The latter are much more popular. Minus plus minus is not plus.

larry didn't you make a "who cares how much fighters make" thread? so now we have the answer...you

It would surprise me. 1. Fury is boring. In his biggest fight, he averaged single digits in punches thrown per round. He took 3 years off after that fight and came back to fight two journeyman, the latest one was a boring fight. People don't have a lot of confidence in him putting up a good performance. 2. Boxing is not that popular in the US and it has been declining for years now. 3. Wilder, while exciting to watch, powerful, and has no defeats in 40 fights, with 39 KO's, is not well received by the Americans because, you name the excuse, but we all really know why.

wilders super fight is against a guy who fights on undercards

you forgot to add the russian which will sell heaps. Povetkin is huge in russia. Plus forget about the insane prices in vegas for that fight its not canelo vs mayweather or canelo golovkin so no way will they chafge the same as them and if they try then watch how many seats are left not sold. Yiu live in Dream world if yiu think it sells big in america Is it PPV in Russia? If not, which station purchased the fight and for how much? So that international revenue factor would increase by at least a couple of million then. Who said they will charge the same as the two fights you mentioned? Those two fights you mentioned did over 16 and 17 million in live gate. I'm predicting a fourth of that, which is still VERY good.

Okay, I read somewhere that the Klitschko fight had a live gate of about $10-10.5 million. So for Wilder/Fury assuming they have 500k PPVS in the UK and about 350k stateside: US PPV 350,000*70 = 24,500,000/2 = 12,250,000 UK PPV 500,000*25.62 = 12,810,000/2 = 6,405,000 Live gate = 4-5 million International revenue+sponsorship = 3-4 million Total = ~25-30 million Joshua vs Povetkin - I'm going to assume it does less than the Parker fight, but still over a million as there is little backlash that takes something away from the fight. Lets go with 1.2 million buys 1,200,000*25.62 = 30,744,000/2 = 15,372,000 DAZN rights = ~3-5 million Live Gate = ~6-7 million International revenue/sponsorship = 3-4 million Total = ~28-32 million I went with similar international revenue for arguments sake. So if Wilder/Fury does around 300-350k, then the safe bet is still the Joshua/Povetkin fight. But if some how that number can reach 500k US buys? Then it will be awfully hard for Joshua/Povetkin to generate that type of revenue. Even though Wilder/Fury will be fought in a MUCH smaller capacity arena, the Vegas prices for fights like this one are INSANE. Somehow Hopkins/Calzaghe out did Joshua vs Klitschko. And the casino fees are probably higher than what I projected for Wilder/Fury. I could see the casino fees at 7-9 million. you forgot to add the russian which will sell heaps. Povetkin is huge in russia. Plus forget about the insane prices in vegas for that fight its not canelo vs mayweather or canelo golovkin so no way will they chafge the same as them and if they try then watch how many seats are left not sold. Yiu live in Dream world if yiu think it sells big in america

I doubt it.

I know he did big numbers against Wlad, but SKY doesn't release PPV numbers. Sure you could look them up on Wikpedia, but even those numbers don't make sense. SKY reported themselves that May/Mac shattered the AJ/Wlad SKY PPV record yet they have Floyd/Mac doing around 800k on Wikpedia. Some sources say AJ/Wlad did 1.2 million so its really hard to say how many UK PPVs are really sold. Both sky and Eddie Hearn have said interviews it made over 1.5 mil and close to double Floyd. They also stated Parker fight almost matched the klitschko, both of these statements matchup with the numbers published by WBN a few days ago with all the sky sports ppv numbers. Remember this is the U.K. Only though, and the U.K. Is only part of the factor here

Daily Star pegged the live gate at 8 million pounds. Yep saw that, so about 10,250,000 US dollars.