Whyte vs Parker PPV numbers

I'd much rather watch talented guys that no one has heard of yet than overhyped HWs who showed they have no chance at giving us anything more than sloppy brawls. You can feel differently, that's fine. I'm not threatened by anyone's personal taste. I'm just really surprised at the things the British public is willing to pay for, esp considering how frugal they tend to be. I hope the promoters don't screw it up and continue to maintain the success they're having over there. It's good for the sport, even if I don't personally like their product. Please don't tell me you think Wilder is talented....

No, I think you should post links that work. Of the three that did, they all are consistent with exactly what I have been saying: the net to promoters is 45%. I said the cable companies get 45%, the channel gets 10%, and the promoters get 45%. Those articles you cited say the cable companies get "30 to 40 percent, the cable companies get "10 to 15 percent" and the promoters get what's left. Some do call that "50%" but, simple addition tells you 45% is quite possible. And again, unless you are Mayweather and have that kind of clout, you aint getting no 50 or 70 percent. I do believe that there are a few folks running around that can get those higher percentages for their fights. Parker and Whyte aint among them tho, and that's who we are talking about here. Reports say 1M pounds guaranteed each and part of the upside. Part, not all. And others get paid out as well. One more time about DAZN. DAZN did not air this fight in the UK, Australia, New Zealand, or the US. This was not a fight DAZN "paid for", it was a fight DAZN got to air in certain countries as part of an ongoing deal with Matchroom. There was no "extra DAZN money" for this fight. The fourth link works if you had checked the note (replacing the 00 with oo). Some boxing sites are censored here and the domains get replaced with *** (like your BoxinIn$ider link), so that's one way of posting a link to a censored site. As for the other three links, what they say is this: 1) "Their revenue sources will be payperview of which they'll probably keep 50 to 60 percent of all the payperview revenue" 2) "Traditionally, promoters of the fight get 50 percent to 55 percent of the price for the pay-per-view, though that figure will be larger for this fight." 3) "The cable companies and satellite providers that distribute the fight get their share, typically 30 to 40 percent. Showtime will also take its cut, perhaps 10 to 15 percent. The remaining 50 percent of the pay-per-view revenue will go to the fighters, subject to the split they agreed upon." So, the first article says the promoters/fighters get between 50% and 60%, the second 50%-55% and the third 45%-60%. Whyte and Parker may be no stars but it is Matchroom who have an exclusive deal with Sky, which determines the cut the fighters get. Frank Warren has a similar deal with BT Sport and he reportedly gets 50% as well. The guaranteed purses are just that, the minimum they get even if the event flops. Parker already got over 1M pounds vs Fury, he would not have taken this fight, which is bigger and much riskier, if he was not offered significantly more. Whyte and Parker get part of the upside and not all, because the fighters on the undercards get part of the upside too. For example, as I already mentioned, Hearn said Dave Allen made enough to buy a new house. About DAZN again, the Whyte-Parker fight as well as Joshua's last two fights vs Parker & Takam were streamed on DAZN Europe (Germany, Austria, Switzerland) and Canada, and these fights are separate from the $1 billion deal Hearn has with DAZN. Nobody is talking about "extra" or "upside" DAZN money. There is a certain budget for each fight shown on the service, we don't know how that budget is determined, but most of it goes to the fighters. It's just another revenue source and of course needs to be added to the pot that is shared between the fighters. Anyway, this is getting too boring to discuss now.

Don't tell me you are basing your 45% argument on that 7 year old BoxingIn$ider article... Everyone interested in the subject has read it and knows that's just the general framework. The actual percentages differ depending on the fighters, promoters, distributors.. it's all up for negotiation. The Mayweather article that you linked to says: "Mayweather takes 50 percent of all pay-per-view revenue on top of what he is guaranteed for each match. Showtime collects that money and takes its small percentage before sending the remainder to Mayweather. The distributors of the pay-per-view take the other half when people who bought the pay-per-view pay their cable bills." Which is total generalization and is actually against your argument that the promoter/fighters share of the PPV revenue is 45%. Here are a few articles that say the actual share is between 50% and 60%: https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/5/2/8536341/boxing-floyd-mayweather-vs-manny-pacquiao-oped-how-they-get-the-prize-for-this-prize-fight https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/04/02/pricey-up-to-99-95-to-watch-mayweather-pacquiao-on-pay-per-view/ http://www.staradvertiser.com/2017/06/16/sports/sports-breaking/mayweather-mcgregor-2-fighters-hundreds-of-millions-of-dollars/ Regarding the Haye-Valuev PPV, I've tried to find the interview with Haye but could not, it's from 8-9 years ago and the website might not even be online anymore. What I found though is this: http://http://checkh00kboxing.com/index.php?threads/the-frank-warren-sky-ppv-interview.79359/page-23#post-2322843 (note: replace the 00 with oo) "Hattons book has details. I have also read an interview with Dennis Hobson where he talks about it. I will try and find them. Was also an article in Boxing News a few years ago with Booth where he talked about the Haye v Valuev deal. It's a 50/50 split for the first set of buys and then their are tiers which favor the promoter. Haye & Hatton made so much from Sky because they were getting 70% after 500,000 and their PPVs with Valuev & Mayweather did 2/3x that." So it's not even 60%, Haye & Hatton reportedly got 70%. You seriously think that Hearn, who has had an exclusive deal with Sky for over 5 years is getting just 45%? You don't seem to understand that the UK PPV market is very different to the US PPV market. Sky is not only the content provider, they are also the internet/cable provider. There are economies of scale there plus they don't work with other promoters, they work exclusively with Matchroom. Regarding DAZN, again I am not quite sure what is not clear to you. Most of the budget allocated per fight goes to the fighters. The guaranteed purses are just the minimum they get. The profit generated by the show, including all revenue sources (PPV, gate, DAZN, etc.), is shared between the fighters and Matchroom, whose cut is reportedly 20%. No, I think you should post links that work. Of the three that did, they all are consistent with exactly what I have been saying: the net to promoters is 45%. I said the cable companies get 45%, the channel gets 10%, and the promoters get 45%. Those articles you cited say the cable companies get "30 to 40 percent, the cable companies get "10 to 15 percent" and the promoters get what's left. Some do call that "50%" but, simple addition tells you 45% is quite possible. And again, unless you are Mayweather and have that kind of clout, you aint getting no 50 or 70 percent. I do believe that there are a few folks running around that can get those higher percentages for their fights. Parker and Whyte aint among them tho, and that's who we are talking about here. Reports say 1M pounds guaranteed each and part of the upside. Part, not all. And others get paid out as well. One more time about DAZN. DAZN did not air this fight in the UK, Australia, New Zealand, or the US. This was not a fight DAZN "paid for", it was a fight DAZN got to air in certain countries as part of an ongoing deal with Matchroom. There was no "extra DAZN money" for this fight.

You keep saying "I remember this" or "I saw that" without linking a damned thing. For all I know, you could be pulling this from your arse. There IS NO ADDITIONAL DAZN money for the fighters. DAZN is a subscriber service that already had a deal with Matchroom to show fights in certain countries. Nothing extra is forthcoming to Parker and Whyte from DAZN the same way nothing extra will be forthcoming to fighters who fight on US DAZN cards when they launch later this year. Eddie might pay them whatever is guaranteed out of the money he already has been budgeted yearly from DAZN or he may use the money generated by the PPVs themselves. But the fighters get no "upside" from DAZN money. You are showing a basic misunderstanding of how things work here. The following are a few articles outlining how PPV usually works. https://www.*************.com/columns/business-of-boxing-how-does-the-pay-per-view-deal-work/ http://www.secondsout.com/ringside/the-business-of-boxing/the-abcs-of-pay-per-view This one shows that even at the height of his money generating powers, Floyd operated the same way when it came to the cable companies...though he did find other ways to enhance his income. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2192887-making-money-how-floyd-mayweather-produces-boxings-biggest-fights Finally, you trying to say PPV works different in the UK is also you saying that, out of the goodness of their hearts UK cable companies take less than anywhere else because...well because you say so. And, that dog don't hunt. Don't tell me you are basing your 45% argument on that 7 year old BoxingIn$ider article... Everyone interested in the subject has read it and knows that's just the general framework. The actual percentages differ depending on the fighters, promoters, distributors.. it's all up for negotiation. The Mayweather article that you linked to says: "Mayweather takes 50 percent of all pay-per-view revenue on top of what he is guaranteed for each match. Showtime collects that money and takes its small percentage before sending the remainder to Mayweather. The distributors of the pay-per-view take the other half when people who bought the pay-per-view pay their cable bills." Which is total generalization and is actually against your argument that the promoter/fighters share of the PPV revenue is 45%. Here are a few articles that say the actual share is between 50% and 60%: https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/5/2/8536341/boxing-floyd-mayweather-vs-manny-pacquiao-oped-how-they-get-the-prize-for-this-prize-fight https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/04/02/pricey-up-to-99-95-to-watch-mayweather-pacquiao-on-pay-per-view/ http://www.staradvertiser.com/2017/06/16/sports/sports-breaking/mayweather-mcgregor-2-fighters-hundreds-of-millions-of-dollars/ Regarding the Haye-Valuev PPV, I've tried to find the interview with Haye but could not, it's from 8-9 years ago and the website might not even be online anymore. What I found though is this: http://http://checkh00kboxing.com/index.php?threads/the-frank-warren-sky-ppv-interview.79359/page-23#post-2322843 (note: replace the 00 with oo) "Hattons book has details. I have also read an interview with Dennis Hobson where he talks about it. I will try and find them. Was also an article in Boxing News a few years ago with Booth where he talked about the Haye v Valuev deal. It's a 50/50 split for the first set of buys and then their are tiers which favor the promoter. Haye & Hatton made so much from Sky because they were getting 70% after 500,000 and their PPVs with Valuev & Mayweather did 2/3x that." So it's not even 60%, Haye & Hatton reportedly got 70%. You seriously think that Hearn, who has had an exclusive deal with Sky for over 5 years is getting just 45%? You don't seem to understand that the UK PPV market is very different to the US PPV market. Sky is not only the content provider, they are also the internet/cable provider. There are economies of scale there plus they don't work with other promoters, they work exclusively with Matchroom. Regarding DAZN, again I am not quite sure what is not clear to you. Most of the budget allocated per fight goes to the fighters. The guaranteed purses are just the minimum they get. The profit generated by the show, including all revenue sources (PPV, gate, DAZN, etc.), is shared between the fighters and Matchroom, whose cut is reportedly 20%.

It's quite simply blind patriotism. They think Americans actually care and are jealous, it makes them think oh "Britain are number one in boxing" We're actually number one in a sport. That's what it comes down to, these people are deluded beyond help. I don't engage or even act like they exist, it makes me despise Sports sometimes. Social Media has given idiots like this the platform I don't particularly blame Hearn, i blame Sky for giving him so low money for Saturday Fight Nights. Completely agree with this. I do place a lot of blame on Hearn though, obviously Sky/Barney Francis pull the puppet strings but the way he blatantly lies and cons the public is disgraceful. I mean look at the whole AJ-Wilder situation, it’s just embarrassing. I honestly wouldn’t be too upset with all these PPV’s if we got some good value fight nights in return. But all we get is this ”Next Gen” BS and low level, cheap ass, meaningless fights like Okollie-Chamberlain. Any revenue they generate from these PPV’s is not being invested back into the product and that’s unacceptable.

Show me a link that says Hearn is getting 45%. You keep throwing around this number completely ignoring the fact that the UK and US PPV markets are completely different. And this number is not even true for a lot of the US PPVs. Mayweather PPVs for example, also Showtime is for sure getting more than the 10% you claim the content provider is getting. I remember an interview with Haye after he beat Valuev where he was bragging he got more than 60% of the PPV gross revenue. If he could get a deal like that from Sky, you can bet Hearn can too. And Matchroom have had an exclusive deal with Sky Sports for over 5 years now. As for DAZN, I am not quite sure what you don't understand. There is a budget allocated for any fight that is streamed on the service. Whether the budget is determined by Hearn or/and by DAZN and whether it's based on projections or final numbers, it doesn't matter. Most of that money is going to the fighters, so of course it has to be included in the pot. The NZ & AU PPV should be around half a million, not much but add in the DAZN money and you have a million. And you keep ignoring the gate for whatever reason, that's at least another million to the pot. You keep saying "I remember this" or "I saw that" without linking a damned thing. For all I know, you could be pulling this from your arse. There IS NO ADDITIONAL DAZN money for the fighters. DAZN is a subscriber service that already had a deal with Matchroom to show fights in certain countries. Nothing extra is forthcoming to Parker and Whyte from DAZN the same way nothing extra will be forthcoming to fighters who fight on US DAZN cards when they launch later this year. Eddie might pay them whatever is guaranteed out of the money he already has been budgeted yearly from DAZN or he may use the money generated by the PPVs themselves. But the fighters get no "upside" from DAZN money. You are showing a basic misunderstanding of how things work here. The following are a few articles outlining how PPV usually works. https://www.*************.com/columns/business-of-boxing-how-does-the-pay-per-view-deal-work/ http://www.secondsout.com/ringside/the-business-of-boxing/the-abcs-of-pay-per-view This one shows that even at the height of his money generating powers, Floyd operated the same way when it came to the cable companies...though he did find other ways to enhance his income. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2192887-making-money-how-floyd-mayweather-produces-boxings-biggest-fights Finally, you trying to say PPV works different in the UK is also you saying that, out of the goodness of their hearts UK cable companies take less than anywhere else because...well because you say so. And, that dog don't hunt.

I watched the bill because it was free where I'm currently living and I was hoping Whyte would get beat. The card actually turned out fairly good because of the main event being a gruelling turnup and Chisora's big upset win, but without that hindsight I would have never payed 20 quid for that, not for the main event or the undercard. Hearn's got the viewers eating out of the palm of his hand if he can sell that bill and make bank out of it.

That’s a poor realisation of how their is clear and evident lack of talent in the heavyweight division being that Parker and Whyte realistically are top 6-7 fighters three of the others being confirmed dopers in Povetkin, Fists of Fluff Fury and Ortiz. All the more reason to make the only decent fight any one wants to see AJ Wilder. People bytched about the Klitschko era being full of bums but I recall a few wise souls saying it was all about perspective, and that this new crew would turn out to be no better. That was a couple years ago and we're already seeing that truth coming to bear. This supposed HW revival unraveled rather quickly and there's just a couple interesting fights left. The difference between then and now is that we don't currently have anyone as talented as Wlad or Vitali.

It was a fairly entertaining fight. If you only watch the top fights (GGG vs. Canelo, Wilder vs. Fury/AJ) then you are missing out on a lot of interesting boxing in the sport that we love. I'd much rather watch talented guys that no one has heard of yet than overhyped HWs who showed they have no chance at giving us anything more than sloppy brawls. You can feel differently, that's fine. I'm not threatened by anyone's personal taste. I'm just really surprised at the things the British public is willing to pay for, esp considering how frugal they tend to be. I hope the promoters don't screw it up and continue to maintain the success they're having over there. It's good for the sport, even if I don't personally like their product.

If we're honest, it says more about the UK fanbase than it does Wilder... I didn't even bother watching it for free. Both are pretty awful. That’s a poor realisation of how their is clear and evident lack of talent in the heavyweight division being that Parker and Whyte realistically are top 6-7 fighters three of the others being confirmed dopers in Povetkin, Fists of Fluff Fury and Ortiz. All the more reason to make the only decent fight any one wants to see AJ Wilder.

If we're honest, it says more about the UK fanbase than it does Wilder... I didn't even bother watching it for free. Both are pretty awful. It was a fairly entertaining fight. If you only watch the top fights (GGG vs. Canelo, Wilder vs. Fury/AJ) then you are missing out on a lot of interesting boxing in the sport that we love.

Show me a link that says Hearn is getting 50%. He isn't, so good luck finding one. DAZN is a subscription service. ZERO money is generated fightnight from DAZN. NO MONEY will ever be generated by DAZN FOR ANY FIGHT. DAZN gives Hearn a budget, and Hearn spends that budget on cards and purses. The DAZN deal is supposed to be 8 years at $125M per year for 16 US cards and 16 UK cards. Somehow, folks are reporting that as Hearn having 8M per US card as if he will be able to put on the 16 UK cards for free. I broke this down in post #38 of this thread. They netted about 6M total, more or less. I didn't include the Australian PPV but it would have been less than the half a million netted in New Zealand since their money is also worth less than US dollars AND the fight was $10 less there. You do realize that the Parker vs Whyte fight aired in the morning in both Australia and New Zealand, right? About 8am and 10am if my math is right. Not enough star power to do that well, imo. Again, the money made was good, not some bonanza. Show me a link that says Hearn is getting 45%. You keep throwing around this number completely ignoring the fact that the UK and US PPV markets are completely different. And this number is not even true for a lot of the US PPVs. Mayweather PPVs for example, also Showtime is for sure getting more than the 10% you claim the content provider is getting. I remember an interview with Haye after he beat Valuev where he was bragging he got more than 60% of the PPV gross revenue. If he could get a deal like that from Sky, you can bet Hearn can too. And Matchroom have had an exclusive deal with Sky Sports for over 5 years now. As for DAZN, I am not quite sure what you don't understand. There is a budget allocated for any fight that is streamed on the service. Whether the budget is determined by Hearn or/and by DAZN and whether it's based on projections or final numbers, it doesn't matter. Most of that money is going to the fighters, so of course it has to be included in the pot. The NZ & AU PPV should be around half a million, not much but add in the DAZN money and you have a million. And you keep ignoring the gate for whatever reason, that's at least another million to the pot.

Mayweather-Mcgregor was $99.95 in the US, it was £19.95 in the UK. Different markets and prices. Showtime and HBO who are the main Boxing networks in the US, both SHO and HBO are like $10-15 a month, very different to how much Sky costs a month. Sky has many Sports, like the Preimer League , which is the main reason why people subscribe. Boxing is a filler sport bar Joshua PPV's. Showtime and HBO have only two or three sports as they are not predominant sports broadcaster, they focus on Original Programming. Having only a couple of sports mean they have more money available for Saturday Fight Nights (Licence Fees) Sky spend most of their money on Preimer League Games, Hearn has little money for Saturday Night Cards, less than 500K Probably. Showtime for example have had 3M for every saturday night card. You see the difference, that's why Hearn has to put it on PPV for it to make sense economically, given the PPV's is also £19.95 he can persuade people easily. And that's why you see American Saturday Night Cards with only World Title Fights, as to Showtime, Boxing is like the Preimer League is to Sky. Americans won't settle for crap, it's a different culture, most of the Brits here, are drunk, football fans. Boxing is a 3rd rate sport in America, their is so much competition in Sports in America, which means Showtime/HBO have to put on competitive/big fights together, because Americans have so much choice in sports. We don't, after the Preimer League Games are finished, what else ? ITV can't compete with Sky PPV Money in the UK. That's why they gave up on Boxing same with other Free to air channels, Boxing can be deemed too "violent and isn't very PC" On your Hearn stuff. I don't even watch him, cos that's his job, he's selling you a product. He's a salesman. You choose what you want to pay for. It's not hard, i have only bought one PPV this year, Joshua-Parker. Just don't buy it and stream it if you think it isn't PPV, nothing we can do about it. I get a lot of what you’re saying and agree with most of it. The most pivotal point you make is “Americans won’t settle for crap” and that’s true in regards to boxing and that’s what really frustrates me, British fight fans settle for dross time and time again and in the process the standard of British boxing is continuously lowered. We justify Sky/Matchroom/Hearn to keep producing this dross by continually buying into this car salesman BS and sky sports propaganda. It honestly makes me laugh when you hear these imbeciles talking about how “British boxing is booming” and how “Hearn saved it”😂😂 it’s like they are completely oblivious to how bad some of the current product is.

man.. the butthurt from some of these americans is strong. some talking about people "pocket watching" yet they'll be arguing that hearn is enslaving AJ. then they argue that wilder should never sign the contract that's in front of him because of money. it's ok to appreciate good boxing when you see it. really. you aren't any less of an american, and wilder doesn't suddenly become a trash boxer because other boxing events were good.

I am talking about the profit from the whole show, most of which is distributed among the fighters. Hearn is getting 50% of the UK PPV, and that's without Matchroom's commission. So just the UK PPV cut is over $6M. The fight was streamed on DAZN Europe and Canada and that doesn't come for free. At least half a million there, considering the budget they have per event. And when you add in the gate and the New Zealand & Australian PPV it's easily over $8M or over $7.5M after Matchroom's cut (from the gate & non UK PPV money). I don't know how much the fighters actually got but my guess is 5M was shared between Whyte & Parker, 1M between Chisora & Takam and what's left between the rest of the undercards. Show me a link that says Hearn is getting 50%. He isn't, so good luck finding one. DAZN is a subscription service. ZERO money is generated fightnight from DAZN. NO MONEY will ever be generated by DAZN FOR ANY FIGHT. DAZN gives Hearn a budget, and Hearn spends that budget on cards and purses. The DAZN deal is supposed to be 8 years at $125M per year for 16 US cards and 16 UK cards. Somehow, folks are reporting that as Hearn having 8M per US card as if he will be able to put on the 16 UK cards for free. I broke this down in post #38 of this thread. They netted about 6M total, more or less. I didn't include the Australian PPV but it would have been less than the half a million netted in New Zealand since their money is also worth less than US dollars AND the fight was $10 less there. You do realize that the Parker vs Whyte fight aired in the morning in both Australia and New Zealand, right? About 8am and 10am if my math is right. Not enough star power to do that well, imo. Again, the money made was good, not some bonanza.

They did make 1M, they still wouldn't have been able to do that without PPV. Hearn really isn't as bad as what people make out. Imagine your a boxer that's limited, not much star appeal and always behind the Alpha Male. As is Dillian Whyte compared to Anthony Joshua and Hearn still gave Whyte a PPV Shot and a chance to make 7 figures. Despite all the limitations, i'm sure their was a minimum purse which was 1M. Who cares move on, it's done, Joshua-Povetkin next at least that's a legit PPV Fight Are you actually reading the things I am saying? I said they did make the 1M plus a bit more. Just not a whole lot more given what is reported about their deals. If they made more, great.

It is pretty much standard all over that cable companies get 55%. The DAZN money is money Eddie already has (@125M for the yearly budget of 32 fights or whatever he negotiated prior to the deal) and no more was coming for THIS fight. I would expect Australian PPV numbers to be even worse than New Zealand's so another couple of hundred thousand net at best. Lastly, I saw nothing about Parker or Whyte getting ANY of the gate, just a guarantee of @ 1 million pounds each and a cut of the PPV net. So no, 6M is probably closer to the truth. That's 6M for EVERYONE, not just Whyte and Parker... I am talking about the profit from the whole show, most of which is distributed among the fighters. Hearn is getting 50% of the UK PPV, and that's without Matchroom's commission. So just the UK PPV cut is over $6M. The fight was streamed on DAZN Europe and Canada and that doesn't come for free. At least half a million there, considering the budget they have per event. And when you add in the gate and the New Zealand & Australian PPV it's easily over $8M or over $7.5M after Matchroom's cut (from the gate & non UK PPV money). I don't know how much the fighters actually got but my guess is 5M was shared between Whyte & Parker, 1M between Chisora & Takam and what's left between the rest of the undercards.

I'll give you instructions. Type in Eddie Hearn December 2015 IFL on Youtube. Let's see if you can stomach a hour of Hearn. Sky have their own Broadband Infastructure, they are not like Showtime or HBO. Why do you think Comcast are bidding heavy for them ? They are the cable and tv network in this scenario. You clearly did not read what I wrote. So much for instruction. I'll pass. Bottom line is that Parker and Whyte were guaranteed a little over 1M pounds each and there is very little to indicate they made a staggering sum more than that. There is nothing to indicate either were guaranteed part of the gate and there were other fighters to pay on the card. Hell, I doubt there was much upside on the PPV buys either.

Why do you care? Just enjoy the fights

Well, you seems to be the lone voice on this matter with other Americans on this forum. Let's allow the sleeping dog to lie for there to be peace amongst the fans. Hope you've got a great week. The EPL kicks off today, another roll of exciting weeks ahead. A lot of people share my sentiments, I’ve had quite a bit of green K on this thread. Anyway we’ll let it lie... Looking forward to the season starting myself, not looking forward to having to drive down to Wolverhampton tomorrow though😂😂