Spence is going to make it obvious that Mikey doesn't do any strength training
Because he'd be beating Lightweight. Wouldn't most 160 pounders destroy Spence too? Should we question his conditioning then as well?
Boxers dont need a bodybuilder build anyway. The key to fighting is being fluid, not stiff.
Yep, that’s one of the reason I don’t like this weight lifting mentality in boxing, especially when that’s all you focus on.
All the muscles needed to throw punches are going to get plenty of work by throwing punches eveyday. Don't really need strength training.
There is no question that boxing-specific training (especially sparring, but also bag-work, shadowboxing, etc.) is the best training for improving the skills involved in boxing, just as tennis-specific training (such as playing practice sets) is the best training to enhance the skills involved in tennis, playing baseball is the best training to enhance the skills involved in baseball, and so on.
Unfortunately, when it comes to improving the strength of the muscles involved in boxing, boxing-specific training provides an inferior stimulus because the loads involved tend to be quite low, the eccentric component is largely missing, progression is limited, and "sets" are rarely taken to failure.
If--hypothetically--the ONLY training for boxing one did was boxing-specific training such as sparring and bag work, one would likely experience a significant increase in endurance in the muscles involved in throwing punches--the muscles of the shoulder and upper arm, the external obliques, and to a slight extent the legs, abs and pecs. One would also experience a modest increase in strength and slight degree of hypertrophy in those muscles. Unfortunately, the increase in strength in those muscles involved in throwing punches would be far less pronounced than one would experience if one were to combine boxing-specific training with an effective progressive resistance training program.
Even more importantly, the muscles involved in receiving punches--the muscles of the neck and the abs--would only be minimally strengthened by boxing-specific training alone.
Historically it is clear that boxing trainers have long-recognized the limitations of boxing-specific training and have prescribed rudimentary "strength and conditioning" exercises--roadwork, situps, pushups, neck bridges, pullups, chopping wood, throwing large rocks, etc.--in order to address these limitations. While some of these exercises and routines look primitive from a modern perspective, they were attempts to address a real problem.
Strength and conditioning can be beneficial for some fighters, for others it just helps their physical appearance, no more no less. The problem I see with strength and conditioning training is that it leaves you spent and you can't really go at a 100% in sparring or in boxing training.
The more you train the more time your muscles and your mind needs to recover, if you don't have stamina issues you shouldn't pay too much attention to strength training IN training camp. You can do that BEFORE camp to keep the heart muscle and lungs healthy and to keep the hormones and fat levels in the right zones. Sit ups, reverse situps for lower back and occasionally pullups should be done all the time though, you need a strong core for body shots. all in moderation of course.
Spence is going to make it obvious that Mikey doesn't do any strength training
Facts....Spence gonna walk through Garcia..I think it better look into SnC lol
Im 5'9 and could barely lift my own body weight...But I was known for my punching power. All i did was hella push ups Heavybag and shadow boxing.
Everybody body is diffrent.
Spence is going to make it obvious that Mikey doesn't do any strength training
Yep, i am a big Mikey fan but he better get some diffrent conditioning in when he faces Spence.
If it ain't broke, why try to fix it?
Because--In boxing, and in other sports--as in life--one is not only competing against other people, one is also competing against oneself, and one's own potential.
Imagine two boxers, both of whom are undefeated champions:
Boxer A takes the position "My training program has lead me to winning all of my fights, so I am not going to change anything." As a consequence, he stagnates, his competitors eventually figure him out, catch up to him, and he is beaten.
Boxer B takes the position "My training program has lead me to winning all of my fights--but I have still made plenty of mistakes in those fights, and I still have areas in which I can improve. Let me figure out how I can modify what I do to get even better results in the future."
As a consequence his training program, diet, supplementation program, and much else gradually and incrementally changes over time, leading to him widening the gap between himself and his competitors. As a consequence, he reigns for a long, long time and retires undefeated.
"We learn, when we learn, only from experience, and then we only learn from our mistakes. Our successes only serve to reinforce our superstitions."
--Arthur Jones (Nautilus and MedX CEO)--
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it" is one perspective.
"Always seek to improve" is another, opposing mindset.
If Mikey favors the first mindset, it is likely that he will not change his training until he loses a fight.
Different way of looking at it, agreed. Let’s so this
Sparring, bag punching and shadow boxing built up the muscle needed for hard punching. What better way to build punching speed, punching power and punching accuracy than actually punching bags and sparring. Most of the old time greats didn't lift weights. They trained like Mikey and were strong enough and hit hard enough. I haven't noticed any lack of strength or punching power from Mikey in his outstanding pro career. His training seems to get him ready for battle.
Agree 100 .
I've spoken to some pretty mainstream boxing coaches who Hate the whole S&C thing .
Why do people keep saying this??? Old school boxers did alot of BASIC calisthenics....Push ups, pull ups, sit ups, and they did alot of medicine ball work.
They also did a lot of the things you still see today like Dempsey using resistance bands and other fighters I’ve seen hitting tires with sledge hammers and using big axes etc.
These old school guys were fit, strong and very well conditioned no doubt. But, if Mikeys regime works for him, and I have him around 6ish P4P, then all power to him.
Not like he is lacking power is it :lol1:
So many conditioning 'experts' here lol...
Strength training can (and often does) benefit a fighter, no doubt.
But, some guys have the right balance of natural athleticism and muscular balance from birth.
I like Garcia's approach tbh, he is saying FU to all the crossfit, gym rats type and basically taking the line that his skills and roadwork will bring him the win.
All these boxers pushing weight sleds and flipping tractor tyres cough up a lung after 6 rounds lol...
Perfect post... kisses... no ****..
Well seems to be working just fine for him. If it ain’t broke then don’t fix it
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it" is one perspective.
"Always seek to improve" is another, opposing mindset.
If Mikey favors the first mindset, it is likely that he will not change his training until he loses a fight.
A lot of old school boxers didnt. Holyfield is the guy that brought serious strength training to the game.
Holyfield was certainly one of the first to combine serious weight training with serious anabolic steroid use, but if I wanted to credit a single fighter I would look a few years earlier, at Michael Spinks, under the tutelage of Mackie Shilstone.
See, for example:
https://www.si.com/vault/1985/10/07/620972/a-champ-with-strange-ideas
http://articles.latimes.com/1985-11-14/sports/sp-2510_1_weight-training
Shilstone would later go on to work with Riddick Bowe, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones, Jr., and Andre Ward.
Of course, there were truly "old school" fighters who did lift--just not many of them, and it's unclear to me how serious their lifting programs actually were. Bob Fitzsimmons was one.