The idea that one has to fight in Vegas to validate their career is BS

I wish more fighters had Usyk's mentality when it comes to traveling. You go wherever it takes to be the best. :boxing: usyk would be at HW if he wanted to challenge himself and make the most money. that's the idea that the TS is getting at, he's just wrong about it. if he wanted to be the best and make the most money he'd be trying to fight anthony joshua or deontay wilder. if you want to make the most money and challenge yourself typically those fights take place in las vegas, where a casino will pay you to host the fight, and where bernard hopkins vs joe calzaghe outsold joshua - klitschko at the gate.

Prove that Duran beating Leonard in Vegas would give him more notoriety. Prove that Ali beating Foreman in Vegas would give him more notoriety. Prove that Douglas beating Tyson for the biggest upset in all of sports history would give him more notoriety. Come on Dude, those are fights between HOF'ers and are special fights. Those fights also occurred years ago, I think we can agree things are different now. What I'm saying is part of what makes Ali Frazier such and event was that it was in MSG. Posting that doesn't mean every fight has to be in MSG or that if a great fight didn't occur in MSG that it wasn't great. Part of being the biggest draw in the sport is the ability to headline an event in the fight capital of the world. Headlining a big event in Vegas and bringing out the stars can show that you have transcended the sport to a degree. AJ pulling that off would cement him as the face of the sport. I'm not in any way suggesting he has to then abandon England and fight exclusively in Vegas.

No, just the asking price. But that is a separate issue. I didn't post it was about health. I posted that since they risk their lives, I want them to get as much as possible. Location does add value in the sense that winning in a arena with history gives the winner more notoriety. Also, many posters give fighters that win "on the road" a extra bump. Prove that Duran beating Leonard in Vegas would give him more notoriety. Prove that Ali beating Foreman in Vegas would give him more notoriety. Prove that Douglas beating Tyson for the biggest upset in all of sports history would give him more notoriety.

So when you pay for a ticket or ppv, do you throw down a little extra? Or just the asking price? If you really cared about the health of the participants, you wouldnt partake at all. Im just saying, sounds kind of weird to pay money to watch people beat eachothers head for entertainment but at the same time say you care about their health. Even talking about money in this thread is stupid. Has nothing to do with money. The location of the fight adds no value to who wins and loses. I think you agree. No, just the asking price. But that is a separate issue. I didn't post it was about health. I posted that since they risk their lives, I want them to get as much as possible. Location does add value in the sense that winning in a arena with history gives the winner more notoriety. Also, many posters give fighters that win "on the road" a extra bump.

I care because I am a fan of the sport and want boxers to get as much possible because this is an incredibly dangerous career that could cost them their life. So when you pay for a ticket or ppv, do you throw down a little extra? Or just the asking price? If you really cared about the health of the participants, you wouldnt partake at all. Im just saying, sounds kind of weird to pay money to watch people beat eachothers head for entertainment but at the same time say you care about their health. Even talking about money in this thread is stupid. Has nothing to do with money. The location of the fight adds no value to who wins and loses. I think you agree.

Why does it matter to me if a boxer gets paid more? Because its prize fighting so you probably want to maximize the prize you fight for. Just sayin............ I dont care who gets paid what. Why do you? I care because I am a fan of the sport and want boxers to get as much possible because this is an incredibly dangerous career that could cost them their life.

Buster Douglas ending Tyson, in front of 25k people at Caesar's Palace, whether he won another fight after that or not, would've had that performance memorialized in the canon of boxing, alongside the Ali's phantom punch, the rope-a-dope, and Foreman's KO of Michael Moorer, among other moments. Downplay that if you want Its already as memorable though. Its the greatest upset in sports history. Being in Vegas does not change that. Just say that like a casual fan, you enjoy the hype surrounding Vegas.

Duran is a legend without beating Leonard in Vegas. Douglas beating Tyson doesnt stop him from eating himself out of the championship. And not a single Vazquez Marquez fight from the first 3 was in Vegas and it is still one of the greatest 3 fight series ever. So what does being in Vegas do for anyones memories of these fights? Nothing. You are just looking for the hype of the fight. There have been many, many, many duds in Vegas. So whats so great about a shiny turd? Buster Douglas ending Tyson, in front of 25k people at Caesar's Palace, whether he won another fight after that or not, would've had that performance memorialized in the canon of boxing, alongside the Ali's phantom punch, the rope-a-dope, and Foreman's KO of Michael Moorer, among other moments. Downplay that if you want

You're talking to the wrong one here about fighters and money. And like I said, you tell that ***** made ***** to fight Wilder here or abroad and to stop Riddick Boweing him. Stiff ass, can't speak *****. Fake ass bully... But you replied to a question about money. Weird.

Why do you care what boxers get paid? I can say I dont care because Im not a pocketwatcher. You're talking to the wrong one here about fighters and money. And like I said, you tell that ***** made ***** to fight Wilder here or abroad and to stop Riddick Boweing him. Stiff ass, can't speak *****. Fake ass bully...

You tell that stiff speak and spell ***** made ***** Joshua to fight Wilder in Vegas or Wembley. :bottle: Why do you care what boxers get paid? I can say I dont care because Im not a pocketwatcher.

You tell that stiff speak and spell ***** made ***** Joshua to fight Wilder in Vegas or Wembley. :bottle: There's a contract with a date in April at Wembley stadium if Wilder wants it. All he has to do is sign. Joshua can't force the little girl to, he has to do it under his own steam.

I dont care who gets paid what. Why do you? You tell that stiff speak and spell ***** made ***** Joshua to fight Wilder in Vegas or Wembley. :bottle:

Yes you do. US is were all the sponsor money is at. Eddie didn't get that....which is why he signed no one. No American fighter has anywhere near to the sponsors Joshua has. Lynx and Beats by Dre are just 2 of them. Get out of here with that crazy bull****.

Where are the largest grossing Pay pay view events are ever held? What country holds the record for the largest grossing pay per view event ever sold? What country holds the record for the most pay per views sold? What are the nationalities of the participants of the largest grossing pay per view events ever sold? Even Matchroom Boxing's Barry Hearn has said that the Anthony Joshua vs Deontay Wilder undisputed heavyweight championship fight would gross over 100 times more money in the U.S. Than in the U.K. Last but not least, what country and sport was the first to draw the largest gate of any kind of entertainment in history? Also, what nationalities were the fighters? There, I rest my case. None of this answers my question you loon. You're just waffling **** here. Haha. Either answer the question or move along.

Yes you do. US is were all the sponsor money is at. Eddie didn't get that....which is why he signed no one.

You really are deranged. Show me evidence that people around the globe would watch more if a fight was in Vegas to say Wembley or the O2 in London? The level of arrogance you display is beyond disgusting.Where are the largest grossing Pay pay view events are ever held? What country holds the record for the largest grossing pay per view event ever sold? What country holds the record for the most pay per views sold? What are the nationalities of the participants of the largest grossing pay per view events ever sold? Even Matchroom Boxing's Barry Hearn has said that the Anthony Joshua vs Deontay Wilder undisputed heavyweight championship fight would gross over 100 times more money in the U.S. Than in the U.K. Last but not least, what country and sport was the first to draw the largest gate of any kind of entertainment in history? Also, what nationalities were the fighters? There, I rest my case.

You really are deranged. Show me evidence that people around the globe would watch more if a fight was in Vegas to say Wembley or the O2 in London? The level of arrogance you display is beyond disgusting.Where are the largest grossing Pay pay view events are ever held? What country holds the record for the largest grossing pay per view event ever sold? What country holds the record for the most pay per views sold? What are the nationalities of the participants of the largest grossing pay per view events ever sold? Even Matchroom Boxing's Barry Hearn has said that the Anthony Joshua vs Deontay Wilder undisputed heavyweight championship fight would gross over 100 times more money in the U.S. Than in the U.K. There, I rest my case.

You really are deranged. Show me evidence that people around the globe would watch more if a fight was in Vegas to say Wembley or the O2 in London? The level of arrogance you display is beyond disgusting.Where are the largest grossing Pay pay view events are ever held? What country holds the record for the largest grossing pay per view event ever sold? What country holds the record for the most pay per views sold? What are the nationalities of the participants of the largest grossing pay per view events ever sold? There, I rest my case. Even Matchroom Boxing has said that the Anthony Joshua vs Deontay Wilder undisputed heavyweight fight would gross over 100 times more in the U.S. Than the U.K.

No one is knocking the fights as not being great, but let's be honest here. The Tokyo Dome was a great atmosphere; still, imagine what it would've done for 'Buster' Douglas had the same fight been done in from of 25k people at Caesar's Palace in Las Vegas (MGM Grand didn't start hosting fights until 1994); an underachiever, fighting with a heavy heart due to the passing of his mother, summons the courage and fortitude to knockout the man that some folks saw as being unbeatable. Or Duran, taking on the great Ray Leonard and beating him in Las Vegas. Vasquez-Marquez had a great series of fights, and great fights can be had anywhere, but if you want the stage with the largest spectacle, Las Vegas blows every other venue out of the water, and it's basically been that for the last 30-35 years. Las Vegas makes everything shine brighter Duran is a legend without beating Leonard in Vegas. Douglas beating Tyson doesnt stop him from eating himself out of the championship. And not a single Vazquez Marquez fight from the first 3 was in Vegas and it is still one of the greatest 3 fight series ever. So what does being in Vegas do for anyones memories of these fights? Nothing. You are just looking for the hype of the fight. There have been many, many, many duds in Vegas. So whats so great about a shiny turd?