Yeah the $50 million offer...

Multiple people replied and quoted you. You must have missed my post and all the others :dunno: What's wrong with it is that some see it as part of a pattern of delaying and time wasting from the AJ side. You can make a thread on each delay being uniquely justified but eventually have to accept that the time adds up. Because Hearn ended negotiations saying 'we ran out of time, Povetkin mandatory ordered now' the time wasted by AJ changing his mind matters. You got 2 possible ways of looking at it. If you're considering if AJ wanted to waste time so the fight couldn't get made, him offering a low flat fee, then requesting a high fee to go to US, then saying he wants it in the UK certainly worked well. Second way of seeing it is that AJ really wanted to make the fight and did his honest best, but even that you still have to admit that changing his mind one way and then the other might have been the reason Hearn/Wilder's side ran out of time to close the deal. So either way, yeah he's allowed to change his mind but when the consequence of that is running out of time to make the fight happen, of course there will be a lot of fans criticising. The negotiations didn't start with the $50 million offer. It started way back when Hearn offered $4 million to Wilder for White with a guaranteed shot at AJ's titles. Wilder said no, even demanded $7 million. Later, Hearn offered $12.5 million for a shot at AJ's four belts. Wilder said no again. Which means he lied when he claimed from the very start that it's not about the money. Man, how much money does this guy need to get a shot at AJ's titles? Does he even deserve this kind of money? This sport is going to the dogs. Undeserving fighters with slim resumes are rewarded with millions of $$$. Who's next? The Charlo sisters? Fight bums, while waiting for a big lucrative fight?

No dummy you have to go to the actual video not cut and paste what you want . :burnout: Wouldnt the scared one be the guy actually demanding 50 % and a guaranteed rematch ?:poke: Hey man, why do I have to be a dummy??? 💩

So there's still no explanation as to what's wrong with AJ changing his mind when he realized he's giving up home advantage. He's the A side and the B side is the only one allowed to change tune. I see.

AJ didn't change his mind. He just said a stupid thing. He didn't think the fight can make 100m, at least not sure enough to guarantee the funds. So he said "yeah if you give me 50m I'll take it immediately" as a way to shut wilder up. And it backfired. They quickly realized that Joshua makes 20-30m easy from random fights, and it's stupid to give up all the A side advantages for 20-30% more. I'm regards to the offer, I don't know how real it was as no details were ever confirmed. But I have my own doubts, logically speaking. The chief of which is that we know for sure that wilder agreed to take 15m to fight Joshua in the UK. If the 50m offer was real without any funny business, why in the blue hell would he ever take it? He didn't take povetkin for 3m and waited for 7, he didn't take Whyte for 6-7m, but all of a sudden he's gonna take an offer that's a third of what he was offering, and to fight in the UK while complaining about giving up all advantages? I just don't buy that the offer was legit enough without anything funky. Especially with that random 24 hour deadline they have Hearn. The dumber wilder fan boys keep whining about hearns offer not specifying where and when, even though he's on record discussing it, and it's obvious to anyone. Yet Wilders magical 50m offer didn't have a ton details at all, and was given with a completely artificial 24 hour deadline during which they refused to communicate and meet. I respect both guys, and want to see them fight. But there's a clear difference between their teams. At best, Hearn was honest and frustrated. At worst, he's a really good liar and can spin things well. Finkle on the other hand, is an imbecile no matter how you look at him. He's not believable and his statements are either false or make no sense.

Hearn and AJ want to control the worldwide TV rights, which they wouldn't if they accepted the $50m. I'm sure AJ would accept $50m purse in theory, who wouldn't? - but Hearn especially knows his cut of that purse is probably not as big as the cut he could make if he controls TV rights. That's why they're making flat fee offers to Wilder too. $50m sounds a lot, it is, but Hearn's cut isn't enough for him. He wants to own the show. That way even if AJ earns less than the 50m...Hearn still earns more. You can't just look at a big round figure and focus on that. You have to realise how the other people involved make their money and how stipulations affect their cut. See, this actually makes sense, and you see the greed from stakeholders of the event gettimg in the way.

I feel a responsibility to address this thread because, even though i'm not a Wilder fanboy (i even sided with AJ initially in regards to the $50million offer), i have been throwing around the reality that AJ is the one leaving the most money (and better deal) on the side by not accepting Wilder's offer. Here's the thing, AJ has the right to do whatever he wants, i'm not really profiting from either side so in all honesty i don't really care. But when Hearn and AJ fanboys want to make it look like Wilder didn't want this fight next well... that's just straight up hating and intellectually dishonest. It doesn't even matter if the fight happens next year and AJ wins, his team didn't want this fight now and their counter offers show it. It's actually comparable to Mayweather-Pacquiao. Even though the fight eventually happened with testing and Mayweather won, that will never change (in my eyes at least) the fact Mayweather started the whole random blood testing charade as an obstacle to not really have the fight with Pacquiao at his peak. However, i digress... the way i see it, AJ and his team had 2 options if they really wanted the fight next: 1. Play along with the $50million minimum offer until a legitimate show stopper was identified or; 2. Offer Wilder a respectable purse split. One that acknowledges Wilder's standing as the 2nd best heavyweight and shows respect to the very generous offer AJ was offered to cross the pond. But instead, all we got were publicity wars filled with flat fees and questionable drama involving one of the least strick sanctioning bodies in the sport. Think about it...

After passing on the 50 mil offer it should be obvious that team Joshua was never really interested in a Wilder fight. Hopefully that changes.

Joshua indicated IF it was 100 million that he would split it 50 / 50 and never said anything about fighting in the U.S Hearn & Finkel argued for months over how much more the fight would do in the US vs the UK. Team AJ was convinced Finkel was full of **** about the fight doing 100 million in the US. Said AJ said, if it really does that much, give me 50 and I'll sign tomorrow. So Finkel said, ok, here's your 50.

Well you would be familiar with lies bc thats all you do on here . lol Joshua indicated IF it was 100 million that he would split it 50 / 50 and never said anything about fighting in the U.S . As a matter of FACT he said IMMEDIATLEY after defeating Klitchko that he was keeping the Wilder fight in the U.K . Only after he said he would not ask more then 50 million did Finkel try and manipulate the entire situation , which was an outlandish claim that the fight generates 100 million and thats what Joshua was calling them on , he NEVER asked for 50 million to fight Wilder specifically. Your selective memory forgot this is AFTER Hearn offered 12.5 million , this was a lame attempt on team Wilder to stall negotiations with a 24 hr deadline attached to it . Instead of actually negotiating the 12.5 they ran with the FAKE news that it was a 100 million generated fight and only a F' ing idiot actually believed that , your probably one aren't you ? lol :tool: “Give me $50 million & I will sign tomorrow. I will sign tomorrow.” - AJ “$50 million or 50% is yours, whichever is more.” - Finkel AJ is scared. What’s wrong with that? You need to read better friend

As I see it. The whole premise of this thread to make Deontay Wilder out to be some kind of ordinary voluntary defense which he is not. He is not just some kind of ordinary voluntary defense but a world champion like Anthony Joshua and deserves to be treated as such. They are both fighting in order to determine who would become the next undisputed heavyweight champion of the world. Therefore, they need each other.

As I see it. The whole premise of this thread to make Deontay Wilder out to be some kind of ordinary voluntary defense which he is not. He is not just some kind of ordinary voluntary defense but a world champion like Anthony Joshua and deserves to be treated as such. They are both fighting to determine who would become the undisputed champion of the world. They need each other.

Hearn and AJ want to control the worldwide TV rights, which they wouldn't if they accepted the $50m. I'm sure AJ would accept $50m purse in theory, who wouldn't? - but Hearn especially knows his cut of that purse is probably not as big as the cut he could make if he controls TV rights. That's why they're making flat fee offers to Wilder too. $50m sounds a lot, it is, but Hearn's cut isn't enough for him. He wants to own the show. That way even if AJ earns less than the 50m...Hearn still earns more. You can't just look at a big round figure and focus on that. You have to realise how the other people involved make their money and how stipulations affect their cut. It's not just about tv rights. We're really talking 20m because AJ will make at least 30m fighting in the UK. For context, AJ earned $46m last year. So $20m, whilst nice, isn't life changing money for him. At which point you look at what he's giving up, the disruption to partner agreements, loss of control, dangers of home cooking US style etc. and accepting that offer starts to look a very bad idea.

Hearn and AJ want to control the worldwide TV rights, which they wouldn't if they accepted the $50m. I'm sure AJ would accept $50m purse in theory, who wouldn't? - but Hearn especially knows his cut of that purse is probably not as big as the cut he could make if he controls TV rights. That's why they're making flat fee offers to Wilder too. $50m sounds a lot, it is, but Hearn's cut isn't enough for him. He wants to own the show. That way even if AJ earns less than the 50m...Hearn still earns more. You can't just look at a big round figure and focus on that. You have to realise how the other people involved make their money and how stipulations affect their cut.

It's the line you love and we all know, 'He turned down fifty million doe!' It's posted here ten times a second, Past 50 million times it's reckoned, To Wilderites it will never diminish, There's no argument it cannot finish, But try to discuss any context, And you will find them sore perplexed, Deeper than that they'll never go, Than 'turned down fifty million doe'

I agree. When AJ said he would fight Wilder for 50 million he meant in England not Alabama. The winner is who wins the fight in the ring. If they don't fight there is no winner. Exactly. You don't talk to the media with a huge smile on your face like Wilder did smarting over the $50 million offer as if he won the fight. Sooo stupid.

I think the dynamics of the negotiations had a drastic change when Wilder was almost stopped by a 40 yr old Ortiz. All of a sudden, it's all about the money. Can't blame them. Can't imagine what a young lion like AJ would do to him.

aj fanboys just continue to dig a deeper hole day by day..i hope theres enough room left for AJs lifeless body in there after wilder snatches his soul What are you going to do when joshua knocks wilder into tomorrow ? you need outside hobbies when that happens son because otherwise i see henning ending it

Wilder fans throw the 50 mill incident like it's some winning hand in this debate, when in reality both have now changed their mind on what they wanted. But there is a slight difference in regards what both did. Joshua made a flippant remark regarding the $50 mill when asked a question surround the financials of the fight and then changed his mind when the he realised what he'd have to give up to ensure that possible payday. Wilder actually agreed formally to the 15 mill and even asked for a contract to be drawn up and sent and then stalled the whole process before switching back to his 50/50 demand.

This is what Mayweather did imo is wait for someone else to beat Pacquiao and make him irrelevant. Isn't that weak though? Floyd beat Pac after Marquez brutally KO'd him and made him a bit gun shy, but he was too established by then to be made irrelevant by it. So Floyd still had to fight him but for less accolades. the contract is waiting for wilder to sign with date and venue set and its obvious wilder is the one blocking it now with his 50% demand...so don't give me any of that bull**** lol

aj fanboys just continue to dig a deeper hole day by day..i hope theres enough room left for AJs lifeless body in there after wilder snatches his soul