Anthony Joshua vs. Luis Ortiz

Same reason there isn't a demand for Deontay Wilder vs. Carlos Takam.

I know, that's what I was doing. I'm guessing you had no rebuttal to anything I was saying so wanted out of the debate. As for Povetkin v Ortiz? I'm honest enough with myself to say that'd probably be too close to call.So you would rather watch Joshua vs Povetkin as opposed to Joshua vs. Ortiz? You are telling me Joshua vs. Povetkin is the better more interesting eye catching matchup/fight?

This thread is about comparing and contrasting Luis Ortiz and Povetkin, as opponents for Anthony Joshua. Who do you think would win in a fight Povetkin vs. Ortiz? I have Ortiz stopping him personally. What is your prediction? I'm curious. I favor the better fighter :) I know, that's what I was doing. I'm guessing you had no rebuttal to anything I was saying so wanted out of the debate. As for Povetkin v Ortiz? I'm honest enough with myself to say that'd probably be too close to call.

Let truth be told. Anthony Joshua ducked Luis Ortiz; Just like he is ducking Deontay Wilder once he became his mandatory challenger for the WBA belt. Eddie Hearn and AJ wanted no parts of him and that's why Deontay Wilder ended up fighting him for his WBC strap.

Ortiz is generally rated higher by US fans. I think he's fought mainly US opponents on US networks and he's therefore received far more attention and analysis there. I like him. I think he's got real class in the ring. But I think the truth of how good he is, once age, boxing record, current physical condition etc is taken into account, probably sits somewhere between the US and European fans viewpoints. He's not as good as he's been portrayed by some, but he's not a spent force either and no HW should underestimate him. Sadly for him I don't believe any will, because the risk/reward ratio for him is too high to make him an attractive opponent outside the US where he has a big reputation and there no-one will want him after he gave Wilder a scare.

It's natural that Wilder fans want to big Ortiz up more than he is as he is the only legit guy Wilder has on his resume. The fact he is unconditioned, slow, plodding and looked absolutely awful in fights just before Wilder doesn't matter. The way Lou do bella was going on in the build up to the fight calling him the bogeyman and the most dangerous and avoided man in the division was laughable but it has obviously been swallowed by Wilder fans as they have been using the same quotes! Look Ortiz has some skills but let's not lose reality here. He is definitely not as good a win as Klitschko anyone who claims that is out of their mind. Povetkin has a better pedigree again this can't be doubted. In my opinion Parker would beat Ortiz, the guy who said he knocks Parker out is mental that does not happen as he could not even knock Malik scott out!

Fight who? hearns was giving him the run around. That is why he fought wilder. If it is up to hearns/aj, they would sign to fight the old man in 2025. He was next in line and both Joshua and Hearn had said he eat next. But he chose to go another way and fight wilder, that what’s his choice - and he obviously lost his place against Joshua as a result.

Because nobody earns a title shot by getting knocked out. It doesn't work that way. It never has and it never will. If Ortiz wants a shot at AJ he needs a win over a top contender. It is certainly not a given that he is the third best heavyweight in the world. I doubt any ranking place ranks him right behind AJ and Wilder after Wilder knocked him out.You are absolutely right, but we must be realistic. No one wants to fight him. He just fought the best and lost, now he has to earn his way back by getting a couple of wins. Completely understandable makes perfect sense. Now to address the other part of what you said, you really believe any top 10 heavyweight is willing to step in the ring with this man? He is the boogeyman for a reason. No one wants to fight him. Wilder was the only one who gave him an opportunity. No top contender is stepping into the ring with him, this is a fact. If he can atleast rack up a few wins, hes back in the mix you can't deny him that placement. He gave Wilder all he can handle, and will give AJ all he can handle if not beat him. This is why I want to see the fight. I want to see best matchups possible as a fellow boxing fan, and I feel everyone else should too. Simple.

Because nobody earns a title shot by getting knocked out. It doesn't work that way. It never has and it never will. If Ortiz wants a shot at AJ he needs a win over a top contender. It is certainly not a given that he is the third best heavyweight in the world. I doubt any ranking place ranks him right behind AJ and Wilder after Wilder knocked him out.

AJ by KO in 8

That’s one thing I didn’t get with his “Boogeyman” sale thing. Yes he was undefeated but it wasn’t like his resume was stacked with him knocking out great fighters. Could you please name 5 "great" heavyweight fighters that wanted to face Ortiz.

Povetkin Fury Parker Whyte You could argue any of these are above Ortiz. Ortiz already had the chance to fight once but obviously chose not too, but if Ortiz was matched up with Joshua I would happily watch that fight.Fight who? hearns was giving him the run around. That is why he fought wilder. If it is up to hearns/aj, they would sign to fight the old man in 2025.

I just hope that "Sasha" Povetkin is as good as he is advertised on this forum because if he is then he drops and then stops Anthony Joshua.

Anthony vs Luis would be an awesome fightAnthony won't fight Ortiz because Eddie Hearn won't let him.

"From the eye test" isn't quantifiable. Also... i'm wondering where all this footwork, speed, accuracy, punch selection was when Ortiz was plodding after Malik Scott in Monaco. If he had the footwork and slickness you talk of there he would have cornered Scott and finished him. I'm also wondering where this proven power is... considering he's only knocked out David Martz since his suspension for performance enhancing drugs. The fact that he (like Povetkin) was caught on PEDs brings to question any knockout he's had in the past so the only reference you have for power at the moment is a complete journeyman and the fact that he wobbled Wilder. That's not proven power by any means. Make no mistake though... i'm not suggesting Ortiz is a nothing fighter in order to discredit Wilder here. Even with all these question marks Ortiz is still one of the top guys in the division, but so is Povetkin. You can't quash one whilst waxing lyrical about the other when actually comparatively speaking they are both in near enough the same situation in terms of their careers right now.This thread is about comparing and contrasting Luis Ortiz and Povetkin, as opponents for Anthony Joshua. Who do you think would win in a fight Povetkin vs. Ortiz? I have Ortiz stopping him personally. What is your prediction? I'm curious. I favor the better fighter :)

From the eye test, I can clearly see by watching their fights, who is the better fighter. Ortiz has better skills overall. Punch selection, accuracy, footwork, slickness, counter punching, ring IQ, speed. Ortiz is the full package, plus he's a southpaw. With proven power. I'm going off what I see, not what each fighter has done in the past. Ask any top 10 p4p fighter in the world who they think is the better fighter of the two. I can quote Terrance Crawford saying something along the lines of "Ortiz is the most skilled guy at heavyweight right now." Do you think he's saying this based on past accomplishments? This is not how skill is measured. I can pull out the interview if you request it. The top fighters know who is the best. Same reason every top fighter was saying Ward was the best before he retired, despite what a lot of others people were saying. "From the eye test" isn't quantifiable. Also... i'm wondering where all this footwork, speed, accuracy, punch selection was when Ortiz was plodding after Malik Scott in Monaco. If he had the footwork and slickness you talk of there he would have cornered Scott and finished him. I'm also wondering where this proven power is... considering he's only knocked out David Martz since his suspension for performance enhancing drugs. The fact that he (like Povetkin) was caught on PEDs brings to question any knockout he's had in the past so the only reference you have for power at the moment is a complete journeyman and the fact that he wobbled Wilder. That's not proven power by any means. Make no mistake though... i'm not suggesting Ortiz is a nothing fighter in order to discredit Wilder here. Even with all these question marks Ortiz is still one of the top guys in the division, but so is Povetkin. You can't quash one whilst waxing lyrical about the other when actually comparatively speaking they are both in near enough the same situation in terms of their careers right now.

or in other words you are going off your own opinion and not what has been proven. well ward actually has a good resume though so that doenst really make much sense. if they had said ward was p4p #1 before beating anyone good like before he entered the super six that would be pretty dubious. it would be like saying tank davis is the best right now. speed, power, slickness we just know hes the best!I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt. Re read everything I said top to bottom, then get back to me. Possibly even a couple times if necessary. If you cannot comprehend what I wrote after that, I will move on. P.S - There is no "In other words." The words you read are the words I wrote. I don't need anyone, especially you(who seems to lack comprehension skills), talking for me. What I write speaks for itself.

From the eye test, I can clearly see by watching their fights, who is the better fighter. Ortiz has better skills overall. Punch selection, accuracy, footwork, slickness, counter punching, ring IQ, speed. Ortiz is the full package, plus he's a southpaw. With proven power. I'm going off what I see, not what each fighter has done in the past. Ask any top 10 p4p fighter in the world who they think is the better fighter of the two. I can quote Terrance Crawford saying something along the lines of "Ortiz is the most skilled guy at heavyweight right now." Do you think he's saying this based on past accomplishments? This is not how skill is measured. I can pull out the interview if you request it. The top fighters know who is the best. Same reason every top fighter was saying Ward was the best before he retired, despite what a lot of others people were saying. or in other words you are going off your own opinion and not what has been proven. well ward actually has a good resume though so that doenst really make much sense. if they had said ward was p4p #1 before beating anyone good like before he entered the super six that would be pretty dubious. it would be like saying tank davis is the best right now. speed, power, slickness we just know hes the best!

Ortiz is high risk, low reward. I have Joshua as a better overall fighter, especially given his size and age compared to Ortiz. But Hearn would rather have Joshua fight weaker fighters for the same or more money. I do think, however, that Ortiz was the tougher matchup for Wilder as opposed to Joshua. Ortiz is very experienced, crafty, defensively sound, and a southpaw that was able to consistently disrupt Wilder's jab.

lol. Let's look at this objectively shall we? Rather than the Wilder beat Ortiz so Ortiz has to be better way. Ortiz is famed for his "amateur pedigree" where he had a fantastic record of a reported 343–19... but lost in every major international amateur tournament. Povetkin on the other hand had a short amateur career... and won the European championships twice, World championships once and was the Olympic champion (that Ortiz never even qualified for). Povetkin also has a better professional resume, having been the WBA regular champion for a while, whilst Ortiz was only ever the interim champion. They're both drug cheats whom haven't really had any decent performances since being caught so they both have genuine question marks over their abilities there. So yeh... let me turn this around on you... how is Ortiz better than Povetkin? Give me anything remotely quantifiable.From the eye test, I can clearly see by watching their fights, who is the better fighter. Ortiz has better skills overall. Punch selection, accuracy, footwork, slickness, counter punching, ring IQ, speed. Ortiz is the full package, plus he's a southpaw. With proven power. I'm going off what I see, not what each fighter has done in the past. Ask any top 10 p4p fighter in the world who they think is the better fighter of the two. I can quote Terrance Crawford saying something along the lines of "Ortiz is the most skilled guy at heavyweight right now." Do you think he's saying this based on past accomplishments? This is not how skill is measured. I can pull out the interview if you request it. The top fighters know who is the best. Same reason every top fighter was saying Ward was the best before he retired, despite what a lot of others people were saying.