How would you honestly rate Golovkin?

i've already given you a free pass for being inconsistent, sore of you not to accept your mistake and move on. but i accept you do feel the need to move on, so bye to you too. Totally consistent but when you are not the sharpest tool in the shed such as you are I guess you would think that.

I'm actually not bothering reading about this part of the topic anymore. I laid it out pretty simple even for a simpleton such as yourself to understand but you can't or don't want to for whatever reason. Your intelligence is obviously on the lower end of the spectrum so at some point engaging the slow witted as you have demonstrated is a waste of time. i've already given you a free pass for being inconsistent, sore of you not to accept your mistake and move on. but i accept you do feel the need to move on, so bye to you too.

nothing you said clears up your earlier incoherence- namely as I said that you think I am using "lil G innocently YET you claim I deny ward used it disparagingly. Those two views are completely incongruent, YOu cant hold both these clashing opinions about me, they fully contradict the existence of the other. Thus I remain unconvinced of your sincerity, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt this once, maybe you just made a mistake. LOL! What did anything I wrote, that you are responding to, mention anything about lil g? You keep bringing this up even when what I wrote had nothing to do with that. Stop trying to sound intellectual . . . you are trying too hard. You do not sound educated. You sound like a person desperately trying to convince someone you are sharp. Your reasoning or better said your lack of reasoning is more telling.

na you read that wrong entirely. See, the fault was yours from the beginning, the truth is out, no wonder I was mislead. Why would I want proof when I wasnt in denial of it. Dunno where you are going with this, noone wants proof of someone saying something of non relevance...you've already admitted i dont see it as an insult, so I'd never seek proof that he made it as a disparaging comment. You need to be coherent in what you are saying- either you think I am disparaging when i say lil G o r not..and if you dont think I am, then I wouldnt be trying to prove Ward used it disparagingly, would I? aha. thats why I think you are telling fibs, your story doesnt make sense. but if you truely made this error in good faith, no worries. I'm actually not bothering reading about this part of the topic anymore. I laid it out pretty simple even for a simpleton such as yourself to understand but you can't or don't want to for whatever reason. Your intelligence is obviously on the lower end of the spectrum so at some point engaging the slow witted as you have demonstrated is a waste of time.

You sound like a casual fan. That's fine. People who know boxing knew Golovkin was the bigger challenge. Martinez even knew it. I made my case. You keep throwing out mult-weight like that carries weight for an entire career. Winning at 147lbs years before means that you are more worthy than the number one contender at 160lbs? Your basis for how good a fighter Golovkin is by referring to his IBO title (though you fail to mention his WBA title and also being the number one contender). You are actually laughably ridiculous. But again it is an opinion. One that I am confident anyone who knows boxing knows is silly. Again if Golovkin decided to fight Pac vs. a guy like Charlo you should be saying that Pac is a tougher challenge. LOL! nothing you said clears up your earlier incoherence- namely as I said that you think I am using "lil G innocently YET you claim I deny ward used it disparagingly. Those two views are completely incongruent, YOu cant hold both these clashing opinions about me, they fully contradict the existence of the other. Thus I remain unconvinced of your sincerity, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt this once, maybe you just made a mistake.

hell yeh the evidence says that a 33 year old multiweight titlist is a bigger challenger than an ibo titlist whose best win is...matthew macklin, a basic stay busy challenger for sergio in his title days. why would I need to "go ahead and believe" facts that are in my faovour. YOU need to go and believe that an IBO titlist whose best win is Macklin (a sergio staybusy) is considered a better opponent than a multiweight titlist. You need to believe, it hard. You sound like a casual fan. That's fine. People who know boxing knew Golovkin was the bigger challenge. Martinez even knew it. I made my case. You keep throwing out mult-weight like that carries weight for an entire career. Winning at 147lbs years before means that you are more worthy than the number one contender at 160lbs? Your basis for how good a fighter Golovkin is by referring to his IBO title (though you fail to mention his WBA title and also being the number one contender). You are actually laughably ridiculous. But again it is an opinion. One that I am confident anyone who knows boxing knows is silly. Again if Golovkin decided to fight Pac vs. a guy like Charlo you should be saying that Pac is a tougher challenge. LOL!

Clown, you didn't just say that. You implied I might be lying about the Ward quote and you wanted proof.. na you read that wrong entirely. See, the fault was yours from the beginning, the truth is out, no wonder I was mislead. Why would I want proof when I wasnt in denial of it. Dunno where you are going with this, noone wants proof of someone saying something of non relevance...you've already admitted i dont see it as an insult, so I'd never seek proof that he made it as a disparaging comment. You need to be coherent in what you are saying- either you think I am disparaging when i say lil G o r not..and if you dont think I am, then I wouldnt be trying to prove Ward used it disparagingly, would I? aha. thats why I think you are telling fibs, your story doesnt make sense. but if you truely made this error in good faith, no worries.

I agree. But there isn't really much to say. You believe the 33 year old guy (Cotto) was a bigger challenge than Golovkin. Cotto's last 7 previous fights to Martinez: TKO Delvin Rodriguez 154 LUD Austin Trout 154 LUD F. Mayweather 154 TKO A. Margarito 154 (who was not elite, no longer using loaded gloves and had been beat up in two of his last three fight) TKO Mayorga 154 (no where near elite) TKO Yuri Foreman 154 (no comment necessary) LTKO Pacquiao 147 (Cotto was blown out) You believe that guy above was more of a challenge than a true unbeaten MW who had not only won by KO'd his last 15 plus opponents. A fighter with a highly successful amateur career. Go ahead and believe it, it is your opinion. I am pretty confident that my opinion was held by the overwhelming majority of people who actually covered and know boxing. If you need belts to tell you who is good and who isn't than so be it. BTW I believe Golovkin was also the WBA champion and the number one contender. Cotto brought money, that is the reason he got the fight. https://www.badlefthook.com/2012/9/27/3416152/sergio-martinez-next-fight-gennady-golovkin-lou-dibella-comments-hbo-boxing-news hell yeh the evidence says that a 33 year old multiweight titlist is a bigger challenger than an ibo titlist whose best win is...matthew macklin, a basic stay busy challenger for sergio in his title days. why would I need to "go ahead and believe" facts that are in my faovour. YOU need to go and believe that an IBO titlist whose best win is Macklin (a sergio staybusy) is considered a better opponent than a multiweight titlist. You need to believe, it hard.

its fine to talk about a 33 year old multiweight champion being a bigger challnege than an IBO titlist, if you want to keep it going i am good with that. but i think you want to quit. I agree. But there isn't really much to say. You believe the 33 year old guy (Cotto) was a bigger challenge than Golovkin. Cotto's last 7 previous fights to Martinez: TKO Delvin Rodriguez 154 LUD Austin Trout 154 LUD F. Mayweather 154 TKO A. Margarito 154 (who was not elite, no longer using loaded gloves and had been beat up in two of his last three fight) TKO Mayorga 154 (no where near elite) TKO Yuri Foreman 154 (no comment necessary) LTKO Pacquiao 147 (Cotto was blown out) You believe that guy above was more of a challenge than a true unbeaten MW who had not only won by KO'd his last 15 plus opponents. A fighter with a highly successful amateur career. Go ahead and believe it, it is your opinion. I am pretty confident that my opinion was held by the overwhelming majority of people who actually covered and know boxing. If you need belts to tell you who is good and who isn't than so be it. BTW I believe Golovkin was also the WBA champion and the number one contender. Cotto brought money, that is the reason he got the fight. https://www.badlefthook.com/2012/9/27/3416152/sergio-martinez-next-fight-gennady-golovkin-lou-dibella-comments-hbo-boxing-news

Very highly.

you are lying, I said I didnt know ward said it - I culd only support a bet if I was claiming Ward didnt say it. I dont know why you are lying , but I suspect its because the lie backs up you trying to make that bet that I had not offered a counterargument to. I suspect you wanted a "surety bet" that you made practically on your own, to show you were right about something. To make tyour situation worse, you decided I am a GGG hater, and yet are afraid to back it up with a bet that I can show you 30 very positive posts of GGG from boxing forums. If you want to take me up on that, I 'll double mny take, I can find 60 very positive posts on GGG. But no, I think you will chicken out of a real bet about your claim - you only want to shout about your claim rather thean back it up, or invent a fictitious "bet" and pretend you won it. Clown, you didn't just say that. You implied I might be lying about the Ward quote and you wanted proof. I said I'd get it but to put up your account. That was all I offered and yes it was a "for sure bet". You didn't take the bet. I did not claim I won a bet, because the offer was never accepted. That's that. The comment about you being a hater came before the bet offer. As I said everyone who follows this forums or boxing knows where lil g comes from. You are the first person I have ever seen use lil g and it is simply referring to his size and you had no clue that it was used derogatorily. Still weird to me but I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. I guess you have never been on a Golovkin thread where the term is used frequently by his haters. I do not know if you are a hater or impartial. The assumption was based on the lil g term which I have already explained. You may or may not be. There is really nothing else to talk about on the matter but I'm sure you will find something else to babble about related to the bet or hater.

top MW (joint with LMW Canelo), top three P4P.

Golovkin has reigned as the best MW in the world for several years. I've never had him in my top 3 P4P, but he is very good and has probably earned a spot around the #4 or #5 mark for a while now.

Are you retarded? I just said I'm willing to go back on my assumption and I told you why. No I have no desire to bet you on whether you are a Golovkin hater. BTW that is and always is subjective. It isn't something you can prove. The bet I suggested was based on a fact. Again this is boring. But I guess it is better for you talking about this than the comical opinion that Cotto was a tougher fight for Martinez than Golovkin would have been in 2014. its fine to talk about a 33 year old multiweight champion being a bigger challnege than an IBO titlist, if you want to keep it going i am good with that. but i think you want to quit.

BTW there was nothing to read more carefully. When someone uses the term lil g they are always going to be put into that same category right off the bat. You just happen to not know what the term means which is really unusual for anyone who follows the sport. The bet I made to you was because you were implying I made up the Ward comment. After you apparently learned it was true things were settled. . you are lying, I said I didnt know ward said it - I culd only support a bet if I was claiming Ward didnt say it. I dont know why you are lying , but I suspect its because the lie backs up you trying to make that bet that I had not offered a counterargument to. I suspect you wanted a "surety bet" that you made practically on your own, to show you were right about something. To make tyour situation worse, you decided I am a GGG hater, and yet are afraid to back it up with a bet that I can show you 30 very positive posts of GGG from boxing forums. If you want to take me up on that, I 'll double mny take, I can find 60 very positive posts on GGG. But no, I think you will chicken out of a real bet about your claim - you only want to shout about your claim rather thean back it up, or invent a fictitious "bet" and pretend you won it.

Ok, lets keep that in mind, I think GGG takes it (again). it was a draw last time, though i would personally give the slight nod to the aggressor since that is what boxing is primarily. based on that draw, i say draw again, the evidence that is, good luck.

a draw, I would say, or close to it. Ok, lets keep that in mind, I think GGG takes it (again).

its fine by me that you've gone back on your previous assumption,thank you for that. next time read more carefully in future, when someone isn't claiming something, then theres no bet to be made. BTW there was nothing to read more carefully. When someone uses the term lil g they are always going to be put into that same category right off the bat. You just happen to not know what the term means which is really unusual for anyone who follows the sport. The bet I made to you was because you were implying I made up the Ward comment. After you apparently learned it was true things were settled. You've demonstrated time after time in this thread you can't comprehend English. Get that GED kid, it isn't too late for you to get a future.

can you confirm that you are willing to bet on me being a GGG hater, regardless of boxing forum? Are you retarded? I just said I'm willing to go back on my assumption and I told you why. No I have no desire to bet you on whether you are a Golovkin hater. BTW that is and always is subjective. It isn't something you can prove. The bet I suggested was based on a fact. Again this is boring. But I guess it is better for you talking about this than the comical opinion that Cotto was a tougher fight for Martinez than Golovkin would have been in 2014.

Yes I'm willing to. I suspected someone who has 2K posts and is in this boxing forum (or any boxing forum) knows that lil g is a disparaging term haters use for Golovkin. You are the 1 in 1000 apparently who wasn't using it that way. can you confirm that you are willing to bet on me being a GGG hater, regardless of boxing forum?