Now you know why I think that Bud

Andre Ward on Bud: https://youtu.be/Bbphd7V6K5Q

Damn that is an excellent point. That is a massive contradiction. There's no way Horn is better than Linares at Boxing. His career is nowhere near as good nor will it be and his skills aren't in the same stratosphere. Experience is a HUGE edge for Linares too. It's like putting Buster Douglas over Wladimir Klitshcko in an all-time sense because of one win and Max Schmeling over anyone not named Ali or Louis. Crawford and Lomachenko are my two favorite fighters. I absolutely have no favorite between the both. Been on both bandwagons for years and attend their fights (I was at the Horn and Linares fights). I think Lomachenko in general has better wins and the stronger resume based on whom he's beaten and is certainly the more eye-catching talent of the two. Crawford closes the distance because he's cleaned out two divisions whilst winning all four belts in one and he's been so dominant and whilst not quite as stylish is a very complete fighter with perhaps even more ring IQ than anyone in the game currently. Like I said earlier Lomachenko has actually had better opponents available to fight whereas it's been easier for Bud to get unifications since no other champs wanted a piece of Loma. IMO Loma deserves to be called #1 p4p but Bud is an acceptable answer. IMO what is unacceptable is saying one is vastly better than the other or that they aren't the two best p4p fighters currently. Both are incredibly dominant and are achieving excellent things that their detractors are trying to discredit but the general consensus is that both are doing fine and dandy. Foh, lmao. His post didn't point out any contradiction. It's full of assumptions that he's raised with clearly no evidence. I rate Bud pfp the best fighter in the world based on becoming the lineal champion at LW and JWW. I don't rate Horn or Linares over each other. Some of you guys gloss over the fact how Linares fights in a classic style that looks better than Horns because you think that he has more talent than Horn...yet he has not beaten one elite fighter. Not even a past it elite fighter. Who has Linares beaten? Who? Nobody has named anyone yet. But you guys sure do give Loma props for that win lmao. You guys even exclude the Salido loss. Had Bud lost a fight like that I'm not sure you guys would even rank Bud as high as Loma. Then you guys **** on Horn who beat an albeit autumn Pac who was still tough to beat. Of course we don't give Horn big time credit for the win, yet he deserves credit for walking through fire in that fight. I clearly make my points as to why I have Bud pfp best and don't need posters inventing contradictions as to what I'm saying. Now the new Loma excuse is "It's been easier for Bud to get unification fights because nobody wants any parts of Loma", lmao. Another ****en excuse. I deal with reality. I gave Loma full credit for his win and the way he won considering what he went through going down and getting back up and winning and gave Bud the same type of credit for not allowing Horn to fight him dirty and wrestle him all night like he did ole Pac. Yet somehow people weren't impressed with what Bud did in dismantling Horn. He was supposed to. Well Loma was supposed to dismantle Linares. Bud hasn't lost, he has become the lineal champion at LW, and undisputed champ at JWW. Loma has a loss, has been fighting what many consider to be tough comp, and has been exciting in his wins. Some of you guys have to live with the fact that Bud has fans who think that he is the best int he world...and that not all fans think that Loma is the best pfp fighter. Get over it. And im my eyes Loma is not even #2 pfp on my list.

You're contradicting yourself, you say Crawford is the best p4p "based on his style period", but previously said this when trying to downplay Linares: You can't have it both ways. Either we rate fighters based on skills or we don't. Also, just because Horn "beat" a past prime pac doesn't make him equal to a fighter like Linares. By that logic are you ready to concede that Joe Smith jr should be ranked equal with Crawford because he beat an aged Hopkins and that's a bigger name by far than anyone Crawford has on his resume? Damn that is an excellent point. That is a massive contradiction. There's no way Horn is better than Linares at Boxing. His career is nowhere near as good nor will it be and his skills aren't in the same stratosphere. Experience is a HUGE edge for Linares too. It's like putting Buster Douglas over Wladimir Klitshcko in an all-time sense because of one win and Max Schmeling over anyone not named Ali or Louis. Crawford and Lomachenko are my two favorite fighters. I absolutely have no favorite between the both. Been on both bandwagons for years and attend their fights (I was at the Horn and Linares fights). I think Lomachenko in general has better wins and the stronger resume based on whom he's beaten and is certainly the more eye-catching talent of the two. Crawford closes the distance because he's cleaned out two divisions whilst winning all four belts in one and he's been so dominant and whilst not quite as stylish is a very complete fighter with perhaps even more ring IQ than anyone in the game currently. Like I said earlier Lomachenko has actually had better opponents available to fight whereas it's been easier for Bud to get unifications since no other champs wanted a piece of Loma. IMO Loma deserves to be called #1 p4p but Bud is an acceptable answer. IMO what is unacceptable is saying one is vastly better than the other or that they aren't the two best p4p fighters currently. Both are incredibly dominant and are achieving excellent things that their detractors are trying to discredit but the general consensus is that both are doing fine and dandy.

Top P4P fighters are guys like Floyd was and Ward because they were beating other p4p ranked fighters. Crawford's best win is Postol haha. It's like saying Nathan Gorman is currently the best Heavyweight on the planet because his skills look a cut above other heavyweights even if it's against lesser opposition. of course Crawford is far beyond that, but it's just a similar theory. The proof is in your wins against other top fighters and don't bring up he's a 3 weight world champ, Broner is a 4 weight one isn't he? Look at who Crawford beat for titles. Sor Rungvisai is far more proven at a higher level than Crawford is. Actually many fighters are more proven than Crawford is. Even if they don't seem as skilled, doesn't matter. It's about who you beat. There's probably guys fighting in small halls that seem more skilled and pleasing to the eye than a guy like Maidana was but because it's at a certain level. Crawford might be one of the best in the world but let's see him beat a top level fighter and prove it.

l will always keep it G. I pick Bud as the best pfp fighter based on his style period. He's the most versatile fighter fighting today imo. I don't blow up his comp like it's this or he beats everyone the same way. He shows it all. Judging Horn and Linares skills doesn't take away the fact that Horn has the bigger win over a past it legend..same as Joshua over Wlad. You know that the greats were past it and put up good fights. I remember Eric Morales beating Daniel Zaragoza. It was welcoming Morales on to the scene. Linares has had a good career, but he has no big wins. He's a fine fighter and has lasted long in this game and he's been around, but I don't rate him over Horn and I don't rate Horn over him. If you want to say that Linares was better, then we agree to disagree. Im not going the other way, im saying that they rate even to me in terms of how you rate their losses to Loma and Bud. You're contradicting yourself, you say Crawford is the best p4p "based on his style period", but previously said this when trying to downplay Linares: Skills of a fighter are overrated at times because skilled guys have and can be beaten just like guys who have no skill. You can't have it both ways. Either we rate fighters based on skills or we don't. Also, just because Horn "beat" a past prime pac doesn't make him equal to a fighter like Linares. By that logic are you ready to concede that Joe Smith jr should be ranked equal with Crawford because he beat an aged Hopkins and that's a bigger name by far than anyone Crawford has on his resume?

Some of these threads start off great and then take a turn for the worse. And 99% of the time it’s Amir Khan trolls that start it. Someone ban these clowns please ? Anyway, this is a GREAT debate that will rage until a few of these special fighters step in the ring. Here are my candid thoughts. Spence - Bud: This is the fight everyone wants now and I think it should happen. But I’d like to see Bud fight someone like Danny or Porter first. He’ll beat those guys, but another fight at 147, against a really good fighter, will leave him better prepared for Spence. I’m very rarely torn on who I think wins a fight, but this is one I’m not sure on yet (another fight for Bud at 147 and I’ll make a call). Spence is just tough and hits hard as hell. As someone said earlier, Floyd spoiled people. When focused, he literally wouldn’t get touched. Bud isn’t on his level defensively and against someone like Spence that can get dicey really quick. I do think Bud is a superior boxer and would have the right game plan going in, but I’m not sure he could avoid Spence as much as he would have to. Tough to call. Thurman: he’s been out too long. And honestly I think he’s too small for Spence. I’d love to see him fight Bud though. The rest: a lot of other very good fighters at this weight. But the three above are a level above. Hopefully it’ll get sorted out sooner rather than later. The armchair troll tried his best to derail the thread. He needs some p****, lmao.

Some of these threads start off great and then take a turn for the worse. And 99% of the time it’s Amir Khan trolls that start it. Someone ban these clowns please ? Anyway, this is a GREAT debate that will rage until a few of these special fighters step in the ring. Here are my candid thoughts. Spence - Bud: This is the fight everyone wants now and I think it should happen. But I’d like to see Bud fight someone like Danny or Porter first. He’ll beat those guys, but another fight at 147, against a really good fighter, will leave him better prepared for Spence. I’m very rarely torn on who I think wins a fight, but this is one I’m not sure on yet (another fight for Bud at 147 and I’ll make a call). Spence is just tough and hits hard as hell. As someone said earlier, Floyd spoiled people. When focused, he literally wouldn’t get touched. Bud isn’t on his level defensively and against someone like Spence that can get dicey really quick. I do think Bud is a superior boxer and would have the right game plan going in, but I’m not sure he could avoid Spence as much as he would have to. Tough to call. Thurman: he’s been out too long. And honestly I think he’s too small for Spence. I’d love to see him fight Bud though. The rest: a lot of other very good fighters at this weight. But the three above are a level above. Hopefully it’ll get sorted out sooner rather than later.

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There’s a huge gap between Linares and Horn. Linares has been a champion multiple times, made a lot of defenses and was the legimate #1 lightweight in the world. Horn got a gift over a washed up Pacquaio and his biggest talent is his chin and heart. Crawford and Lomachenko are way out ahead in the pound for pound. I think Lomachenko is the most dynamic and eye catching talent but Bud is pretty damn complete and dominant. Neither is much in front (if at all) of the other but I’d say Lomachenko has the better wins but he’s had the better opportunities to fight better guys and on the flip side it was easier for Crawford to get the other champs at 140 in the ring whereas Loma had a hard time getting the other defending champs to agree to face him.

Spence vs bud is the fight. I just think that spence is huge and will be at 154 in no time

i'm fine with either crawford or loma having the top spot but ward should've been the p4p king skillwise and resumewise has he been active

This part I agree with. One was a skilled, fast and much larger fighter, the other was a mobile punching bag who could wrestle. I know you like Crawford, I do to, but come on man... l will always keep it G. I pick Bud as the best pfp fighter based on his style period. He's the most versatile fighter fighting today imo. I don't blow up his comp like it's this or he beats everyone the same way. He shows it all. Judging Horn and Linares skills doesn't take away the fact that Horn has the bigger win over a past it legend..same as Joshua over Wlad. You know that the greats were past it and put up good fights. I remember Eric Morales beating Daniel Zaragoza. It was welcoming Morales on to the scene. Linares has had a good career, but he has no big wins. He's a fine fighter and has lasted long in this game and he's been around, but I don't rate him over Horn and I don't rate Horn over him. If you want to say that Linares was better, then we agree to disagree. Im not going the other way, im saying that they rate even to me in terms of how you rate their losses to Loma and Bud.

It’s unfair to rate them. This part I agree with. One was a skilled, fast and much larger fighter, the other was a mobile punching bag who could wrestle. I know you like Crawford, I do to, but come on man...

So are you saying no as in Linares is the better fighter or no, Horn and Linares are on the same level of caliber? Not trying to disparage Crawford, he's a great fighter, but their last opponents don't share the same quality in my eyes. It’s unfair to rate them. Horn has the bigger win and less experience. Linares has more experience, more losses, no big wins, but had a decent win streak over pedestrian comp.

No. I just don’t see a difference in which win is bigger. Linares who looks the part skill wise has been kod and lost to ordinary guys. Horn went life and death with a faded but tough Pac and got the win. Loma showed me something by getting up from a punch by a guy who was bigger than him. Both impressed me. So are you saying no as in Linares is the better fighter or no, Horn and Linares are on the same level of caliber? Not trying to disparage Crawford, he's a great fighter, but their last opponents don't share the same quality in my eyes.

Skills of a fighter are overrated at times because skilled guys have and can be beaten just like guys who have no skill.

Is this your roundabout way of saying Horn is better than Linares? No. I just don’t see a difference in which win is bigger. Linares who looks the part skill wise has been kod and lost to ordinary guys. Horn went life and death with a faded but tough Pac and got the win. Loma showed me something by getting up from a punch by a guy who was bigger than him. Both impressed me.

Horn beat a faded but still tough Pac. Linares is a good win for Loma..but who has Linares beaten? Is this your roundabout way of saying Horn is better than Linares?

It looks like he did... P4p is all speculation, there's no need to get all twisted up about it. But the word "now" definitely works better after Lomas last win compared to Crawfords. Horn beat a faded but still tough Pac. Linares is a good win for Loma..but who has Linares beaten?

Its myth that Loma has beaten better comp. Especially when you do the research. It looks like he did... P4p is all speculation, there's no need to get all twisted up about it. But the word "now" definitely works better after Lomas last win compared to Crawfords.