The curious case of the Parker, Whyte, Povetkin and Pulev mandatory situation

Not saying Hearn is a bad person. He's just doing his job. The UK & US have very different laws about which financial information must be made public, which also affects the situation. It's alright brother, you win. Maybe wilder earns around 7/8mil. That's cool for him. I wish him good but not against AJ.

I think am done with all these stupid explanations, trying too hard to paint hearn a bad person. The purse in UK, is it different from the purse in the US? Not saying Hearn is a bad person. He's just doing his job. The UK & US have very different laws about which financial information must be made public, which also affects the situation.

in other words, AJ don't have a manager. Absolutely subbish to suite your agenda. I think am done with you. Never said that. Of course AJ has a manager. But it's not his manager throwing out the wild numbers, it's Hearn. Very different. Further, because AJ has an exclusive promotional agreement with Hearn, he doesn't have the same freedom to play with the numbers like a Haymon fighter does because Haymon fighters are free agents and often technically self promoted.

2.1mil isn't the broadcaster fee. You have no idea what the broadcaster fee is. 2.1mil is the purse filed with the local commission, but the purse filed with the local commission is often a fraction of the real purse. this is done to save on taxes and sanctioning fees. the local taxes and world title sanctioning fees are based on a percentage of the purse filed with the local commission, which is why it's so common for fighters to manipulate the numbers to minimize the purse filed with the local commission. Because one number is what Haymon chooses to file and the other number is what Hearn claims in interviews. Two totally different things. Historically in boxing, you overstate purses in interviews to generate more hype and coverage and you understate purses in commission filing to minimize taxes and sanctioning fees. Also, Haymon is a manager, his job is to help his fighters maximize their take home pay. Hearn is a promoter. He doesn't have a fiduciary duty to teach AJ how to create shell companies so he can pay himself an inaccurate purse to minimize taxes and sanctioning fees. That is a manager's job, not a promoter's job. A promoter's job is to promote, so you want numbers to sound BIG. Also, it's much easier to minimize the numbers successfully in an in house fight. AJ's recent fights haven't been in house, so it's much harder to hide the numbers. in other words, AJ don't have a manager. Absolutely subbish to suite your agenda. I think am done with you.

2.1mil isn't the broadcaster fee. You have no idea what the broadcaster fee is. 2.1mil is the purse filed with the local commission, but the purse filed with the local commission is often a fraction of the real purse. this is done to save on taxes and sanctioning fees. the local taxes and world title sanctioning fees are based on a percentage of the purse filed with the local commission, which is why it's so common for fighters to manipulate the numbers to minimize the purse filed with the local commission. Because one number is what Haymon chooses to file and the other number is what Hearn claims in interviews. Two totally different things. Historically in boxing, you overstate purses in interviews to generate more hype and coverage and you understate purses in commission filing to minimize taxes and sanctioning fees. Also, Haymon is a manager, his job is to help his fighters maximize their take home pay. Hearn is a promoter. He doesn't have a fiduciary duty to teach AJ how to create shell companies so he can pay himself an inaccurate purse to minimize taxes and sanctioning fees. That is a manager's job, not a promoter's job. A promoter's job is to promote, so you want numbers to sound BIG. Also, it's much easier to minimize the numbers successfully in an in house fight. AJ's recent fights haven't been in house, so it's much harder to hide the numbers. I think am done with all these stupid explanations, trying too hard to paint hearn a bad person. The purse in UK, is it different from the purse in the US?

You still make no sense and operating a double standard. If you think wilder earns more than 2.1mil broadcaster fee 2.1mil isn't the broadcaster fee. You have no idea what the broadcaster fee is. 2.1mil is the purse filed with the local commission, but the purse filed with the local commission is often a fraction of the real purse. this is done to save on taxes and sanctioning fees. the local taxes and world title sanctioning fees are based on a percentage of the purse filed with the local commission, which is why it's so common for fighters to manipulate the numbers to minimize the purse filed with the local commission. why not apply the same sentiment to AJ? AJ could also earn more than 20mil being broadcasted as well. I will begin to reason with you when you apply the same sentiment to both fighters. Because one number is what Haymon chooses to file and the other number is what Hearn claims in interviews. Two totally different things. Historically in boxing, you overstate purses in interviews to generate more hype and coverage and you understate purses in commission filing to minimize taxes and sanctioning fees. Also, Haymon is a manager, his job is to help his fighters maximize their take home pay. Hearn is a promoter. He doesn't have a fiduciary duty to teach AJ how to create shell companies so he can pay himself an inaccurate purse to minimize taxes and sanctioning fees. That is a manager's job, not a promoter's job. A promoter's job is to promote, so you want numbers to sound BIG. Also, it's much easier to minimize the numbers successfully in an in house fight. AJ's recent fights haven't been in house, so it's much harder to hide the numbers.

Okay, then just admit you believe Cotto was only paid 750k for his retirement fight and that Wilder is 3x the star and 3x the draw Cotto was. Also, if the figures don't lie, how do you explain this? http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/23737579/jeff-horn-terence-crawford-make-weight-welterweight-title-showdown Purse figures were released Friday by the Nevada commission. Crawford's official contract calls for a purse of $1.75 million, though his guarantee from Top Rank is $3 million. Horn's official purse is $500,000, but he is guaranteed $1.25 million. You still make no sense and operating a double standard. If you think wilder earns more than 2.1mil broadcaster fee, why not apply the same sentiment to AJ? AJ could also earn more than 20mil being broadcasted as well. I will begin to reason with you when you apply the same sentiment to both fighters.

The figures don't lie Okay, then just admit you believe Cotto was only paid 750k for his retirement fight and that Wilder is 3x the star and 3x the draw Cotto was. Also, if the figures don't lie, how do you explain this? http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/23737579/jeff-horn-terence-crawford-make-weight-welterweight-title-showdown Purse figures were released Friday by the Nevada commission. Crawford's official contract calls for a purse of $1.75 million, though his guarantee from Top Rank is $3 million. Horn's official purse is $500,000, but he is guaranteed $1.25 million.

And it's on the record that Cotto only got 7hi50k for his retirement fight. Is Wilder 3x the star of Cotto? And 3x the draw? Or is it possible the publicly filed numbers aren't accurate? It is what it is... Stop trying to prove nothing... The figures don't lie... We work with broadcast figures not the hidden ones you have in your mind with out certainty.

For now it's on record that wilder highest pay is against Ortiz for 2.1m. And it's on the record that Cotto only got 750k for his retirement fight. Is Wilder 3x the star of Cotto? And 3x the draw? Or is it possible the publicly filed numbers aren't accurate?

you keep repeating cotto, I don't care about cotto and whatever he receives. You don't care because you know it proves that a lot of guys lie on their filed numbers. It's standard operating procedure.

Right, but the open bid was a chance to see what he was actually worth. In an in house Haymon fight, Haymon can file whatever number he wants and you have no idea what guys are actually being paid. Only a purse bid gives you a chance to see the real number. For now it's on record that wilder highest pay is against Ortiz for 2.1m. If he had other incentives that I don't know about that's good for him but officially it is what it is.

You didn't address any of my points or facts because deep down you know I have you in checkmate. Unless you really believe Cotto was only paid 750k for his retirement fight? you keep repeating cotto, I don't care about cotto and whatever he receives. Beside, there is nothing I will say that can convince you cos I Already know your mind is convinced to whatever you believe. No need arguing fruitlessly. I don't have that energy anymore. Let me enjoy whatever I have before me besides I don't make fights.

Wilder was only entitled to get 5mil in podvekin fight cos he lost the bid and got a %. If wilder had won that bid, he will get his usual regular of 1.5mil. Right, but the open bid was a chance to see what he was actually worth. In an in house Haymon fight, Haymon can file whatever number he wants and you have no idea what guys are actually being paid. Only a purse bid gives you a chance to see the real number.

It's okay if you want to believe what ever you like. You didn't address any of my points or facts because deep down you know I have you in checkmate. Unless you really believe Cotto was only paid 750k for his retirement fight?

By the time the next WBA or WBO mandatory is due, it will be Deontay Wilder making the defense!

Because Hearn runs his mouth nonstop and Haymon never talks. Because AJ fights on PPV where revenue is easier to estimate and Wilder fights on Showtime where nobody has any idea what Showtime is paying. But what are the reports based on? We know from fighters rejecting Hearn that they're already making more. So when Broner is filed at 1 million and then rejects 2.5 million, and Broner & Espinoza both say he's already making more than 2.5 million, what logical reason is there to believe he's really only making a million? The one time Wilder went to purse bid, he was due to make over 5 million. That was our one chance to see what he was really worth. We'll never know from Haymon vs Haymon in house fights because Haymon keeps things so secretive. Broner and Espinoza both claim Broner is already making more than 2.5 million per fight and Wilder is a bigger draw than Broner. If Broner is listed at 1 million but making more than 2.5 million, it's reasonable to believe that if Wilder is listed at 2 million, he's actually making 3-4. For that to be true, you'd have to also believe Cotto only made 750k for his retirement fight. It's okay if you want to believe what ever you like.

Because Hearn runs his mouth nonstop and Haymon never talks. Because AJ fights on PPV where revenue is easier to estimate and Wilder fights on Showtime where nobody has any idea what Showtime is paying. But what are the reports based on? We know from fighters rejecting Hearn that they're already making more. So when Broner is filed at 1 million and then rejects 2.5 million, and Broner & Espinoza both say he's already making more than 2.5 million, what logical reason is there to believe he's really only making a million? The one time Wilder went to purse bid, he was due to make over 5 million. That was our one chance to see what he was really worth. We'll never know from Haymon vs Haymon in house fights because Haymon keeps things so secretive. Broner and Espinoza both claim Broner is already making more than 2.5 million per fight and Wilder is a bigger draw than Broner. If Broner is listed at 1 million but making more than 2.5 million, it's reasonable to believe that if Wilder is listed at 2 million, he's actually making 3-4. For that to be true, you'd have to also believe Cotto only made 750k for his retirement fight. Wilder was only entitled to get 5mil in podvekin fight cos he lost the bid and got a %. If wilder had won that bid, he will get his usual regular of 1.5mil.

OK. How come you about AJ's early report earning but you don't know about wilder's? There are things I don't understand. Because Hearn runs his mouth nonstop and Haymon never talks. Because AJ fights on PPV where revenue is easier to estimate and Wilder fights on Showtime where nobody has any idea what Showtime is paying. All these things you wrote are speculations from your inner heart just to make you feel good. The reports are there for everybody to see. But what are the reports based on? We know from fighters rejecting Hearn that they're already making more. So when Broner is filed at 1 million and then rejects 2.5 million, and Broner & Espinoza both say he's already making more than 2.5 million, what logical reason is there to believe he's really only making a million? You are the only person on this forum that think wilder earn 3/4 MIL but you and I know that wilder has always been on flat fee for showtime. The one time Wilder went to purse bid, he was due to make over 5 million. That was our one chance to see what he was really worth. We'll never know from Haymon vs Haymon in house fights because Haymon keeps things so secretive. Broner and Espinoza both claim Broner is already making more than 2.5 million per fight and Wilder is a bigger draw than Broner. If Broner is listed at 1 million but making more than 2.5 million, it's reasonable to believe that if Wilder is listed at 2 million, he's actually making 3-4. Why do you keep pretending you don't know the truth just to massage your ego? Wilder best pay is his last fight with Ortizwith 2.1mil. Let's not argue about that. For that to be true, you'd have to also believe Cotto only made 750k for his retirement fight.

If you want to have a civil intelligent adult conversation, that's fine, but if you're going to troll, this is a waste of time. There have been AJ fights where it's very reasonable that he made 13 million, the early reports are that he'd make around 13 million, then before you know it Hearn has people convinced he made 20 or 25 million. I have no doubt AJ makes 8 figures every time he fights, no matter who the opponent is, but Hearn has some fans convinced AJ can make 25 million against any opponent and that's simply not true. There's no hard and fast rule, but my hunch would be that Wilder's filed purses are approximately half of what he really gets and AJ's inflated purses are about double of what he really gets. Which would still mean AJ is the much bigger star. Wilder could have maybe made 3-4 million against Breazeale while AJ could have made 15 million against Povetkin. OK. How come you about AJ's early report earning but you don't know about wilder's? There are things I don't understand. All these things you wrote are speculations from your inner heart just to make you feel good. The reports are there for everybody to see. You are the only person on this forum that think wilder earn 3/4 MIL but you and I know that wilder has always been on flat fee for showtime. Why do you keep pretending you don't know the truth just to massage your ego? Wilder best pay is his last fight with Ortizwith 2.1mil. Let's not argue about that.