Pacquiao-Matthysse

WTF? Seriously dude I know you don't really like Floyd but this is utter BS. Lucas is a ****ing bum, always has been. He is the most over rated guy on NSB. He's never been better than Berto-and I agree with you that Berto should never have gotten that fight with Floyd. How can you call him a champion? he was gifted a BS regular title that isn't real in any way shape or form. You know this and have often been critical of fake titles like this. IMO this is a crap fight. it may turn out to be a great fight and I will admit it if I am wrong. I also agree that I am not sure Manny is Roy level washed yet. I wouldn't pick him against any elite WW but I think he still has enough to beat a jobber like Matthysse. not saying this isn't a pointless fight, and well past it money grab - but "Lucas never being better than Berto"? That's a joke, right? Lucas fought tooth and nail and lost a razor thin decision against a top 15 P4P guy in Danny Garcia. Should have gotten the rematch but didn't. He literally destroyed a tough contender in Lamont Peterson in what? Under 5 rounds? LOL Berto got both eyes swollen shut by a blown up 135 pounder Robert Guerrero; got beat up by a ghost for 12 rounds! berto then got outgunned by JOURNEYMAN I can't even remeber his name? Soto Karass - in the 12th round. It's not even close - Lucas is currently, even at this stage, and has ALWAYS been a much better fighter than Berto, and it's really not even up for debate. Talk about gifted titles - you should check out Berto's rise to the top.. I honestly can't believe a semi-respectable poster like you is claiming Berto is better than Lucas. I stopped reading after this. Berto wouldn't say this himself. You my man Dunn and I know you hate Matthysse because of his fanbase back in the day but Matthysse would annihilate Berto. Berto is a sitting duck for power shots all night long. Hell, Peterson is a eons superior fighter than Berto yet looked what happened to him You guys were very critical of me regarding what I said about Matthysse being a bum. Leaving aside the Broner comparison, how did you guys judge that performance against Manny?

Berto has done more at 147 than Matthysse has. There is no questioning this. Lucas has only been at 147 for two fights. He hasn't had the chance to put together that untouchable 3-4 record with big wins over Steve Upsher Chambers, Josesito Lopez and Victor Ortiz

Lucas since 2015: April 2015 -ekes out MD over Ruslan in a fight he took heavy danage. Oct 2015-KO loss to Postol lopsided fight 20 month layoff May 2017-KO win over Taylor who was coming off 2 wins against men that were 16-18 and 10-17 Jan 2018-KO win over Kiram

well, if lucas is a bum and he's postol best win and postol is crawford's best win, then what does this say about crawford? i know you dont like manny, but for you to sit there and say lucas is a bum? lol.. now i know lucas is not an ATG but you're trying way to hard here to discredit him here. you made your point when this fight first got announce that you're not interested in watching 2 over the hill fighters so lets just leave it at that. Dude, the thread is about Manny/Matthysse, not Crawford. I can't speak for the opinions of others relative to Lucas, just mine. I have said Lucas is over rated for years, not just because he is signed to fight Manny. Now even if you think Lucas is great, his most current fight was a dismal performance against an extremely weak opponent that made many think the opponent was paid off to take a dive. It was a terrible fight, or am I making that up? You and every other poster that disagrees with me has yet to address my point about Lucas last fight. I did leave it at that-and then got quoted today and responded.

Dunn is a fuking retard. TYVM........what the fck is this guy on......seriously

Who has Berto beat to make him more accomplished? Peterson is better than anybody he's ever beaten. ^ This .............

Dunn is a fuking retard. Intelligent commentary here. meanwhile, Lucas could barely beat some bum named Kiram his last time out and looked so bad that many posters thought his opponent was paid to take a dive. If Lucas was an American, half of the guys touting him as good would have a different tone.

im not talking about "picking".. i am talking about when posters asked who's crawford'd best win and why, postol gets brought up!! when asked who has postol beat, lucas gets brought up!! :rofl: Well, maybe that is the case. Some people think highly of Lucas, I don't, and never have.

Dunn is a fuking retard.

Lol who did berto beat for his first title? i know it was a vacancy and it was a literal journeyman. His second title was Jan Zavec lol No doubt. Again, I understand Berto is a journeyman. So is Lucas. I think Berto is a better journeyman. I honestly can't understand what people see in Matthysse. edit: Remeber when he KO'd Mike Dallas Jr.? The over reaction on this board was insane.

funny that dunn think lucas is a bum and always has been. but when crawford fought postol i remember someone hyping lucas up saying it was a good win from postol............. i recall when posters asked who's crawford best win, someone on here brought up postol saying postol has beaten some good names such as lucas...... Actually when people picked Lucas to beat Postol, I told everyone that Postol would win because Lucas is an over rated power puncher. Then all the people that picked Lucas decided he was shot and Postol wasn't any good once he battered him. Always an excuse when he loses.

i just score all the rounds. he didn't lose to judah or alexander. you jus think hes starting slow cause hes not destroying his opponent. ive seen that same mentality a lot when punchers fight boxer movers. the boxer is winning cause hes making it close but in reality hes often not. also boxing is the most corrupt sport in the world yet you said lucas just doesn't get the job done. you refuse to factor in that politics can and does play a role. a rabbit punch knockdown completely flipped the garcia fight but he didn't get the job done cause the ref messed up hmmm ok. on the other hand when berto fought ortiz, guerrero, soto karass, etc...he was handily beaten. there was nothing political in those losses. nothing controversial at all. every time Lucas loses posters like you have excuse after excuse when he doesn't get the job done. Is there politics in the sport-yes there is. There was nothing political about his losses to Postol and Garcia other than the majority of NSB picked Lucas and he lost. If you think Lucas is better, so be it.

Who has Berto beat to make him more accomplished? Peterson is better than anybody he's ever beaten. I was speaking from a belt winning in the watered down era point of view in response to boxing throat that claimed Lucas was more accomplished. I don't see how that is possible when Berto actually won 2 title fights and lucas has won 0, except for this last fake WBA title fight. I would agree Petersen is the best win on either's resume.

people really think berto is better than lucas? :rofl: as for all the trolling lucas recives this notion is hilarious. berto got KTFO by sotto karass and turned chinese by a feather fisted guerrero :rofl: yeah he is better than lucas.

I watched the fights, didn't go to boxrec to check his record. Lucas has a history of giving away early rounds and it costs him when he doesn't end fights with a KO. Of course you wouldn't admit that because that would be the boxing take, which is not achievable for you. Here is the difference between you and me-when Lucas starts slow and then loses-you claim robbery. When Jack starts slow and draws, I blame him for starting slow. . i just score all the rounds. he didn't lose to judah or alexander. you jus think hes starting slow cause hes not destroying his opponent. ive seen that same mentality a lot when punchers fight boxer movers. the boxer is winning cause hes making it close but in reality hes often not. also boxing is the most corrupt sport in the world yet you said lucas just doesn't get the job done. you refuse to factor in that politics can and does play a role. a rabbit punch knockdown completely flipped the garcia fight but he didn't get the job done cause the ref messed up hmmm ok. on the other hand when berto fought ortiz, guerrero, soto karass, etc...he was handily beaten. there was nothing political in those losses. nothing controversial at all.

What does the title of the thread say you fkn dunce? It's this simple: You're a Pacquiao hater so naturally you would start a campaign to trash his opponents. That's what weak people do. Focus on one person to trash or bully. It's pitiful. Go bash Floyd for fighting Berto and Conor McGregor for his last fights. At least Manny is fighting threats at 39 years of age but you're too dumb to know it. ~The End~ Bully? yeah run home you disgraceful slurping fuckboy. This isn't 5th grade. I am not bullying anyone you sensitive emo millennial queer. I did bash those fights plenty, same as I am doing this. My fault for responding to someone with Boxing in their name. I should've known.

yes your self-fulfilling prophecy about how lucas was an overrated bum came true. especially if you ignore the politics in boxing and only look at boxrec. yep overrated told you all! was he robbed in several fights and got dubious reffing? who cares ignore reality cause my prophecy was right! I watched the fights, didn't go to boxrec to check his record. Lucas has a history of giving away early rounds and it costs him when he doesn't end fights with a KO. Of course you wouldn't admit that because that would be the boxing take, which is not achievable for you. Here is the difference between you and me-when Lucas starts slow and then loses-you claim robbery. When Jack starts slow and draws, I blame him for starting slow. .

Won the bullsh1t WBC off a vacancy, defended it against bums like Urango, Forbes, Quintana and got a gift against Collazo...and beat Jan Zaveck for IBF, what happened after that? If Guerrero and Soto-Karass had Berto hospitalized, Lucas would rock him so bad, it would be like a Haiti earthquakes reenactment. berto is floyds favorite fighter. he gave ortiz and guerrero both hype simply by losing even though both were garbage at 147. oh wow they beat berto rush um into a floyd fight before they are exposed by someone halfway decent! soto-karass should have gotten that floyd shot as well. too late!

Won the bullsh1t WBC off a vacancy, defended it against bums like Urango, Forbes, Quintana and got a gift against Collazo...and beat Jan Zaveck for IBF, what happened after that? If Guerrero and Soto-Karass had Berto hospitalized, Lucas would rock him so bad, it would be like a Haiti earthquakes reenactment. You seem to be treating my post like I am suggesting or implying Berto is great. I am not. Just that he is better than Lucas. We clearly disagree!

Yeah, Berto is going to say a guy that never one a world title and choked in almost every big fight he's had , sans a couple, is better than him. I have never thought highly of Lucas and every time he gets beat in a fight he's expected to win that opinion is only validated. Won the bullsh1t WBC off a vacancy, defended it against bums like Urango, Forbes, Quintana and got a gift against Collazo...and beat Jan Zaveck for IBF, what happened after that? If Guerrero and Soto-Karass had Berto hospitalized, Lucas would rock him so bad, it would be like a Haiti earthquakes reenactment.