At this point I don’t care what anyone says until the fight actually gets made. It’s just boring & tiresome to hear about them going back & forth about negotiations.
Because Joshua literally said 50 mil is a win for him. That's how I know. Like i said, Floyd is the only fighter who can turn down that money and make more. Joshua can't even pay himself that much money. Wilder was doing him a favor
you keep trying to console yourself that wilder is a draw of which deep down you know its a lie.
Tell me one fighter wilder has given a pay day in his 40 fights? Wilder himself needs a payday and he has identified AJ is the only fighter than can take him away from 1.5mil fights.
AJ is still the A side, which ever way you want to view it. The fight get made at his own terms.
That's a fact that is hard for you to swallow.
The $50 mil was a win win. But when they called AJ's bluff he didn't want the money. Something else is going on. I don't know what it is but AJ turning down $50 mil plus half the profits to fight for way less money is suspect to me. Idk what's going on behind the scenes but the only fighter who would turn down that money and make more is Floyd
Now, how did you know a 50mil is a win-win situation for both parties when you are not a promoter or part of either team?
When they meet at that point they will agree. Don't get yourself worked up. The fight will happen when it will happen. What ever you write here has no influence on the negotiations.
So take a chill pill.
But the $50 mil is based on the revenue generated in the US. The fight can't generate that money in the UK. If it could AJ wouldn't have asked Wilder to pay him 50 mil. He coulda paid himself that much
that's why it's called negotiations, they will negotiate until they agree on a win-win situation for both parties and the fight will happen.
40% is estimated to be at LEAST 20 Million for Wilder off from his 2.1 highest earnings . thats 10 X his highest earning .
Business is not run like this and there is no fight without Joshua .
If we ASSUME the fight makes 70 Million Wilder then makes 30 Million while 4 Belt A side Joshua makes 40 Million in which he makes DOUBLE his highest earning ? lol
Joshua ____DOUBLE his highest purse .
Wilder _____ FIFTEEN x his highest purse .
This is called NONSENSE .
Its obvious who isnt confident,its the guy unwilling to step outside his 1.4 Million comfort zone , win a fight of what hes WORTH and get a rematch for 20 PLUS Million and move on building his own career without Joshua attached to it . . lol
I agree to a point, Wilder needs Joshua, not the other way around, and he's already moved down 10% from what he started with lol
Wilder made the 40% claim, it's up to Hearn and Joshua whether they pay that or negotiate.
the thing is, Wilder knows how much that WBC is worth to a unified guy with 3/4 belts..... he can shoot high with his demands.... he's comfortable where he is with the WBC and can play hard ball.
Wilder said he will travel to the U.K for 40% of the revenue.... this is easy to make.
This is why you are not a promoter, neither are you a manager.
Both team will have to agree to common interest.
Team AJ said, I will sign the 50mil provides the fight is in the UK. Team wilder needs to respond to that as well.
This is how negotiations goes, not all these rubbish typed on BS.
He said give me $50 mil and I'll sign the fight. Wilder gave him $50 mil and he said no thanks. Now the new thing is he wants the fight in the UK. Wilder said that's cool. You gave Parker 33% give me 40% 7since you don't want the $50 mil.
It's obvious which side is holding up the fight.
AJ has no problem signing the 50mil provided the fight is in the UK. It's a direct condition, you don't need a lawyer to interpret it.
why not the team with the confidence to fly to UK and take the fight? It's a two way thing.
If AJ isn't coming, wilder should go to him.
Wilder said he will travel to the U.K for 40% of the revenue.... this is easy to make.
You're missing my point. If he's worried about earnings that means he's trying to maximize his profits per fight.
AJ's making about what, 15-20 mil per fight. Why fight 3 fights, put damage on your body and risk losing, when up can make that money in one fight? And he's guaranteed a rematch. What he'd make in 2 fights it would take him 8 fights to make. That's the goal in boxing. Make as much money as possible with as little damage as possible.
Your point is so obvious, of course he's trying to make as much money as possible!
I never knew about the rematch thing to be honest, and I was for him taking the fight regardless, I don't care if AJ loses or not...... MY point is that he can make similar money fighting Povetkin, and then he can maybe fight someone else in the U.S (Miller, Dazn debut.... hypothetically) then he will make DOUBLE what he would against Wilder 2 fights down the line than he would NOW..... so he can make more in ONE fight vs Wilder than 2 fights, and maybe losing his belts.....comprende?
ya they do that kind of stuff all the time...they buzz our air craft carriers and all others kind of cowboy ****....but they just do that because they know they can get away with it...because the next step is a full scale war and nobody really wants that......they arent as tough as they actually act though
The funny thing is that Russia is actually poorer then the U.K, they have half the GNP..... and has twice the population..... they must spend all their money on nukes and the military, f**king idiots! lol
its all about the risk factor for AJ here...lets face it
he can go to russia and fight povetkin for a good chunk of change...but what does that do for AJ? does it raise his profile? nope
beating wilder in the US..in vegas...makes AJ a star on another level
the problem is they view it as a huge risk
what will wilder coming to the UK to KO AJ do to his image?
I am disappointed he did, I wanted AJ to fight in the U.S and take the offer, I'm just stating facts. AJ doesn't want to sell himself and give up home advantage, him and his team are not confident enough to take the risk and already make too much money, Wilder's team called their bluff and he bailed, simple as.
I'm not an AJ fanboy at all BTW, I'm a Fury guy myself, and critique both Wilder and AJ equally.
In this case, it's obvious what is happening, AJ put his foot in it with the $50 million thing, Wilder's team jumped on what he said, got backers to front the money, but they want to use AJ to make their money back.... clever from Wilder's team but was never going to happen when AJ is worth far more and doesn't need to sell his name or titles for that money...... he could make similar amounts if Povetkin goes to purse and they offer massive money to fight in Russia.
why not the team with the confidence to fly to UK and take the fight? It's a two way thing.
If AJ isn't coming, wilder should go to him.
You're missing my point. If he's worried about earnings that means he's trying to maximize his profits per fight.
AJ's making about what, 15-20 mil per fight. Why fight 3 fights, put damage on your body and risk losing, when up can make that money in one fight? And he's guaranteed a rematch. What he'd make in 2 fights it would take him 8 fights to make. That's the goal in boxing. Make as much money as possible with as little damage as possible.
By all accounts, and stated by Finkle, there was no rematch clause, and there was a deadline.
Joshua was never going to accept that.
Also, it's not like AJ has taken much damage in his career, even the Klitschko fight was more stamina issues and one big punch that floored him, it's not like he was eating a jab for 12 rounds, and only Fury could give him damage over 12 rounds, Wilder wouldn't beat him up either, nor Povetkin... the could land and KO or KD him and finish him yes, but they will NOT outbox or beat him up..... Only Fury of 2015 could.
AJ gets 15 pounds richer every fight? And you think turning down nearly triple that for only 1 fight, makes great sense?
Look, I don't care how big of a fanboy you are, you know there is no way in hell it makes sense turning that down...and the 50 million is what he'd make MINIMUM.
your idol rejected X6 of his regular and you think that makes sense too, right?
This fight isn't as big as it'll be because of AJ alone..
Joshua has stated in recent interviews he wants Wilder next, and has no interest in Povetkin. People say, "boxers aren't afraid," however the fear of losing is a real thing in this case. Hearn and them were interested in fighting Big Titty Miller here in the states, but yet they lay out every damn excuse not to fight Wilder here, and that's including a 50 million dollar guarantee. How much you reckon AJ makes fighting Miller over here?
The common sense solution is to accept the 50 million dollar guarantee for a fight Hearn says is only worth 40 TOTAL.
I mean seriously, if it was any other fighter besides Wilder, do you seriously think we'd still be here, a month after a guarantee that big? The largest guarantee for ANYBODY not named Floyd Mayweather?
C'mon man, these clowns are obviously trying every excuse in the book for a way out of the fight, they just haven't found one well-minded fans will accept yet.
OK. Now let's assume AJ is afraid of wilder and doesn't want to fight. This fight is a two way thing. I am yet to be convinced wilder himself is ready for this fight desperately as he want his fans to believe.
Wilder has claimed he is the baddest guy and wants to be the unified champion, he has also claimed it's not about the money and he can fight anywhere, good.
That makes it easier and save the fans this stress. Go take the 12.5mil and KO AJ in UK to prove to the world and your fans you are truly the baddest guy.
What do you think?
Exactly why I wanted AJ to accept the offer, it does wonders for his legacy - travelling to the U.S for the first time and becoming undisputed, that's the dream -...... he's not willing to sell himself though and give up the advantage. I was looking forward to the U.S and U.K press conferences etc
Conversely, I think Povetkin/Joshua is a MASSIVE fight though, especially with the hostility between the UK and Russia right now.... I live right next to the coast on the North Sea and have seen fighter jets scrambled numerous times due to Russia buzzing our air space (the focking cu nts)
If it's in Russia then you know it will be like Rocky IV.... and I will look forward to that fight the same as when Wilder was going there, I actually think Povetkin has a chance against both, I think he is the same level and would be both guys best wins.
ya they do that kind of stuff all the time...they buzz our air craft carriers and all others kind of cowboy ****....but they just do that because they know they can get away with it...because the next step is a full scale war and nobody really wants that......they arent as tough as they actually act though
its all about the risk factor for AJ here...lets face it
he can go to russia and fight povetkin for a good chunk of change...but what does that do for AJ? does it raise his profile? nope
beating wilder in the US..in vegas...makes AJ a star on another level
the problem is they view it as a huge risk
Exactly why I wanted AJ to accept the offer, it does wonders for his legacy - travelling to the U.S for the first time and becoming undisputed, that's the dream -...... he's not willing to sell himself though and give up the advantage. I was looking forward to the U.S and U.K press conferences etc
Conversely, I think Povetkin/Joshua is a MASSIVE fight though, especially with the hostility between the UK and Russia right now.... I live right next to the coast on the North Sea and have seen fighter jets scrambled numerous times due to Russia buzzing our air space (the focking cu nts)
If it's in Russia then you know it will be like Rocky IV.... and I will look forward to that fight the same as when Wilder was going there, I actually think Povetkin has a chance against both, I think he is the same level and would be both guys best wins.
It's so obvious who's the one holding up the fight. Even the Johnson fans have to see it at this point. The man said give me $50 mil and he got it and said no thanks.
You guys act like you started watching boxing 3 months ago.
Even if he offers 100mil, AJ is still the A side and he calls the shot when it comes to location.
He could end up losing let's be real AJ not exactly looking unbeatable his last couple of fights
We all have to wait and see... People have been saying that since his 17th fight, he is still rolling.
I am disappointed he did, I wanted AJ to fight in the U.S and take the offer, I'm just stating facts. AJ doesn't want to sell himself and give up home advantage, him and his team are not confident enough to take the risk and already make too much money, Wilder's team called their bluff and he bailed, simple as.
I'm not an AJ fanboy at all BTW, I'm a Fury guy myself, and critique both Wilder and AJ equally.
In this case, it's obvious what is happening, AJ put his foot in it with the $50 million thing, Wilder's team jumped on what he said, got backers to front the money, but they want to use AJ to make their money back.... clever from Wilder's team but was never going to happen when AJ is worth far more and doesn't need to sell his name or titles for that money...... he could make similar amounts if Povetkin goes to purse and they offer massive money to fight in Russia.
its all about the risk factor for AJ here...lets face it
he can go to russia and fight povetkin for a good chunk of change...but what does that do for AJ? does it raise his profile? nope
beating wilder in the US..in vegas...makes AJ a star on another level
the problem is they view it as a huge risk
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