Do you think De La Hoya took a dive when he fought Bernard Hopkins?

He had nothing to gain, I've never thought so. Fact is I've seen a lot of weird punches knock people down and out. Oscar was starting to drown in that fight, and the tank was emptying. I think it was a combination of him not expecting it/see it coming and Hopkins hitting the sweet spot. Also remember that he was much the bigger man, and although he fought with finesse, he was a big middleweight, Oscar would have felt the weight of ever punch. Lies, he became bhop promoter and that was pre Roy tarver odh wanted interest of that time's pacquiao Mayweather, Golden boy advised bhop to duck 60-40 whatever reason

All you hear is ( thinking it’s B-Hops corner ) yelling body shot , body shot When Oscar went down , you can tell that was the plan from Bernard smirking and knowing he ain’t getting up I don’t think their was any dive plus nothing to gain for Oscar

Bernard beats him in the ring, in a street fight, in a jail cell, in a weightlifting contest, one-on-one basketball, football, tennis, golf, any sport that exists and even sports that don't exist yet. He is the superior man in every way possible.

Maybe not a dive, but def oscar quitting

B-Hop promised to do him in the butt with an egg beater and a rolling pin if he took a dive.Hey, that's not funny.

I used to think so, but I don't know. It looks weak for sure, but well, what's the motivation? Both dudes made killer money and they did go on to work together but they could have done those things anyway. Just don't see the motivation. Oscar was due to retire and benard was gonna keep on fighting. Oscar was about to open golden boy promotions with benard as a partner. Guess who promoted benard for the next 20 Years?? Yes golden boy got to promote the middleweight champ who beat the golden boy. Great way to start a boxing promotion company. That fight was preordained.

I think he really wanted to win but there was no possible way he could ever beat Hopkins. The gap in skill and power was too wide. Hopkins just toyed with him and then ended it. Maybe Oscar could have beat the count but he knew the beating he was going to get if he did.

B-Hop promised to do him in the butt with an egg beater and a rolling pin if he took a dive.

Hell nah!!!

Say what you want about Canelo but there is no way he took a dive. There us no reason that I can think of for him to do it.

Whats with the shade towards body shots today?

He had nothing to gain, I've never thought so. Fact is I've seen a lot of weird punches knock people down and out. Oscar was starting to drown in that fight, and the tank was emptying. I think it was a combination of him not expecting it/see it coming and Hopkins hitting the sweet spot. Also remember that he was much the bigger man, and although he fought with finesse, he was a big middleweight, Oscar would have felt the weight of ever punch.

That body shot looked weak af. What do you think? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfvlZjmWa4o He made Delahoya cry, don't think it was so weak.

I covered this same topic last month. My detailed response with video and screenshot analysis can be found here: https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=778843 interesting Listen to that voice in the background..... Somebody from the crowd is yelling "bodyshot" like 6x, then a few seconds later the same voice yells for "Oh o Oscar" then calls "Oscar" 2 more x. Was that his queue? Never even noticed that until now. Anyway, the older I get the more the action itself looks like a dive. The punch looks weak, the reaction looks fake, and his behavior in the aftermath all look really suspect. Bob Arum said he thinks Oscar took a dive, could be sour grapes for losing in court, but Morales said he took a dive too. Maybe he's just jaded about Oscar and the heritage issue, who knows. From a Boxing perspective, unless you're Roy Jones dropping white-hot heat on Virgil Hill's ribs, hooks to the side of the ribs don't really hurt. I've taken world class shots from fighters with world class power (a few classes above me too) and it sounds scary, but unless you're punching up like an uppercut and not hitting the side at a 3 o'clock angle, they just don't hurt. Hopkins hit him with his open glove (get a good copy and slo-mo it) and the only damage bearing knuckles that hit were the pinky side where the least amount of power is. You're supposed to hit with your fist two knuckles, often when hooking to the body (with palm facing your body) you'll hit 2 center and maybe a shade of a 3 but always avoid 3 and 4. Hopkins hit pinky if anything, but looked more open glove. Picture isn't the best, but I'll get a good clip. https://i.imgur.com/c1wzmBx.png So let's say Oscar took the dive, why would be do that? What's the benefit? Did he bet on Hopkins to win by KO in the 9th? I don't know the odds but it'll be something like 1500:1-1700:1. Regular odds were like -210 (DLH money line) so the odds weren't out of this world in disparity. To make a loss worth it you would need to put a couple of mill on the line and you can't do that at the window in Vegas back then. It would be a ton of work to wager that legit. Max bets across all casino's, too many moving pieces. Private broker, but that's pretty shady and could turn into blackmail down the line. I'm having a hard time finding the angle. What do you guys think, dive or legit?

I covered this same topic last month. My detailed response with video and screenshot analysis can be found here: https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=778843

No... Why would the cash cow of boxing take a dive on someone like Hopkins? If Oscar had a s hit career I’d be like “well...maybe...” Or if B Hop took a dive it’d make sense. Oscar had literally nothing to gain. In fact, losing was worse case scenario. Oscar may be a creepo cross dressing dude but he’d fight anyone. Doesn’t seem like the type to be bought in a fight. I don’t question Oscar as a fighter. He’s at least earned that.

Even the rest If the shots these guys were dishing to each other were pats and slaps.