Was it gamboa who was 5 inches shorter in height and 10 inches less in reach and moving up in weight and got koed by a journeyman or was it indongo or postol? I'm curious. Anyone know?
Let's not forget lomachenko is fighting at 135 lbs and weighing 137 fight night. Terrence will be 155-160 lbs fight night fighting at 147. There's only guy fighting at his true natural weight here and stopping his opponents.
Crawford isn't a bad answer for p4p IMO. He's clearly a truly special fighter on his way to greatness. He's a complete fighter. Can fight inside, outside, from the right or left and has good physical tools. For what I judge p4p on (if all were equal size who's the best i.e eye test not necessarily 100% resume) I can't be mad any anyone having him or Loma as #1. These are the two fighters that stand out from the resat.
There's a a double standard though and I think that's what you are pointing to. I see a lot of folks saying Lomachenko has to beat Garcia and then move up to beat Crawford or Spence to be #1 but when pressed who their p4p is they will often say Crawford as though he doesn't have to meet such a challenge. That despite the fact Loma does have the better resume and I'd say at least three wins better than Bud's signature win to date.
These are my two favorite active fighters (have been since JMM stopped fighting), I have followed them for years and I have no personal favorite between either. I am a huge fan of both.
Exactly my point.
He's not number 1 for me. He may have cleaned out a division but they were hardly stacked. He has no real top fighters on his resume. When i think of p4p no.1 guys, people like Floyd and Ward come to mind, they had beaten guys that were considered in the top 10 p4p list.
Rungvisai is probably no.1 right now really, tell me a fighter who's last 3 wins are better than his? and some of those wins against the guy who was considered no.1 p4p - he's arguably the only man in boxing who can claim such undeniable top level wins. GGG maybe could've had he not been robbed v Canelo and he's still in the conversation if you just want to consider the reality instead of the bent judges.
The fact is, Crawford doesn't have a single p4p quality opponent from his resume, not even close. Loma too even though i'm a fan. Although Rigo was considered a p4p fighter, he really was too small and I consider that to be just similar to Floyd v Marquez.
For Crawford to lay a claim to true p4p no.1, he needs a win over at least a true top 5 Welterweight now he's moved up, not Jeff Horn. Same for Loma, he would need a Mikey Garcia type of win to be the true no.1 with no arguments.
Right now, Rungvisai is the only guy that ticks the boxes for a no.1 spot.
He's not #1. Loma is #1, and Crawford is arguably #2. If Crawford beats Spence or Thurman, he becomes #1 imo.
What version of Thurman tho? Not thurman coming off over a year layoff and injuries. Not that Thurman will take a remotely tough fight without tune ups anyway.
Why does Sor Rungvisai never get a mention for P4P? That guy actually beat 2 world class fighters in his last 3 fights in a row. Crawford beat a few B-B+ level guys at 140 and LOMACHENKO has a few good wins but certainly no P4p names on his resume either. Near his weight at least.
Maybe he's not black nor white enough for anyone to even give a damn on this site :)
TBRB have him 3, I think thats right, above Golovkin. Theyre ****ing solid tbh, TBRB.
Why does Sor Rungvisai never get a mention for P4P? That guy actually beat 2 world class fighters in his last 3 fights in a row. Crawford beat a few B-B+ level guys at 140 and LOMACHENKO has a few good wins but certainly no P4p names on his resume either. Near his weight at least.
Maybe he's not black nor white enough for anyone to even give a damn on this site :)
Yeah just have to give it time.
Yeah man, dont doubt it. Same thing happened when Joshua popped up in the TBRB P4P rankings, "what the ****s he doing there, well **** maybe he is"
Not everyone has him number 1. He is ranked high by most not for any one big win but for lots of good wins and no losses. He cleaned out 140 and unified it. Nobody has unified any weight class in many years except Crawford.
Man, I dont even like Spence being in the Top 10 at the moment, dont get me wrong I think hes good, great even, but it seems more about reputation then anything, hes got Brook, only.
Yeah just have to give it time.
Shhh you got checked and your comeback was weak.
Haha, you were thinking Olympic weights and had to wiki, can see the trembling in the letters you post.
Don't forget Spence!
I agree, someone will break out give it another year.
Man, I dont even like Spence being in the Top 10 at the moment, dont get me wrong I think hes good, great even, but it seems more about reputation then anything, hes got Brook, only.
Hes no weight bully whichever way you want to swing it. Hes tiny at 135. Let me guess youll bring up Olympic weights? Where he had to fight in the weight above, the 2nd time, as his weight was discontinued
Shhh you got checked and your comeback was weak.
There is no TRUE P4P right now. To me it's a toss up between GGG, Crawford and Loma. The three are basically interchangeable.
Don't forget Spence!
I agree, someone will break out give it another year.
It's one thing if he was just beating these types of fighters, but he's slaughtering them. Gamboa was still a somewhat hard out back when Crawford fought him, a more talented fighter than Crawford. That was a good win. He went on the road to beat Ricky Burns's ass in Burns's backyard. He humiliated Postol, who people were accusing him of ducking. He smacked the sh*t out of Beltran back when Beltran arguably got robbed and should have been a champion.
He's not just winning, he's winning impressively and doing so against top ranked fighters and champions. The combination of who he is beating and how is easily enough to discuss him as the best fighter in the world right now.
Good post. I agree.
He's done all he can do. Clean out two divisions and beat the best guys and while he's not defeated pound for pound caliber guys he's dominated in such a fashion and consistency it's hard to give him a hard time. Throw that in with his overall skill set and talent and he's a perfectly acceptable choice as #1.
It's funny people like to throw the Gamboa fight at him too. Bud was more than a 2-1 underdog and he's done what all great fighters do since that fight - improve. Loma will likely improve as a result of the Linares fight. That's what happens in this sport. Fans are expecting perfection every time and then if it's always perfect nitpick a resume and when they beat the best guys in their weight class then that fighter has to move up to where he's too small.
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