Lomachenko vs. Linares - afterthoughts

Yep, Mikey is very good. I also like him. If he and Loma fought in a unification, and Mikey ended up winning, I'd be very disappointed for Loma, but I'd be very happy for Mikey, and I would think he was a deserving champ. My feeling also.

If anyone has a shot against Loma it’s Mikey Garcia. He is such a fundamentally pure boxer. Otherwise I don’t see anyone beating Loma. He’s an amazing champion. Yep, Mikey is very good. I also like him. If he and Loma fought in a unification, and Mikey ended up winning, I'd be very disappointed for Loma, but I'd be very happy for Mikey, and I would think he was a deserving champ.

If anyone has a shot against Loma it’s Mikey Garcia. He is such a fundamentally pure boxer. Otherwise I don’t see anyone beating Loma. He’s an amazing champion.

Anyone know if Linares had been koed from a body shot before? I keep hearing he's got a weak chin but that doesn't have Anything to do with his body.

People got mad when I said Lomachenko was susceptible to the lead right hand, one even called me a dunce, assuming I didn't know this is the usual case against southpaws. It's far more apparent with Lomachenko because he likes to antagonize his opponents from mid range, squaring up, looking to run them into counters. It's something that many needed to look at. A good example is Pernell Whitaker, the distinct difference is that Whitaker squared up more so when he started showboating and guys like McGirt/ Roger Mayweather who possessed very good lead right hands were able to drop him. Lomachenko looks like a far more presentable target for lead right hands which is why I shake my head at those who think he could have tangled with Morales or Marquez. That remains to be seen. It's gonna be far more dangerous if or when he faces Mickey Garcia, that fight will allow me to rate Lomachenko better. At this point I can say Lomachenko is a very good fighter, I don't see great as of yet. That is how I see it as well - Loma is definitely a very good fighter, but not a great one. He might become great someday, but that day has not yet arrived.

People got mad when I said Lomachenko was susceptible to the lead right hand, one even called me a dunce, assuming I didn't know this is the usual case against southpaws. It's far more apparent with Lomachenko because he likes to antagonize his opponents from mid range, squaring up, looking to run them into counters. It's something that many needed to look at. A good example is Pernell Whitaker, the distinct difference is that Whitaker squared up more so when he started showboating and guys like McGirt/ Roger Mayweather who possessed very good lead right hands were able to drop him. Lomachenko looks like a far more presentable target for lead right hands which is why I shake my head at those who think he could have tangled with Morales or Marquez. That remains to be seen. It's gonna be far more dangerous if or when he faces Mickey Garcia, that fight will allow me to rate Lomachenko better. At this point I can say Lomachenko is a very good fighter, I don't see great as of yet. Excellent point. I remember mentioning this after theMartinez fight and it's the reason I would favor Garcia, whose right hand is like a mule kick. Doesn't change my current p4p view of Loma but it's something people need to keep in mind because we saw evidence of it last night.

I agree in that I expected easy work for Loma. That said, I still have him p4p #1. The two other p4p contenders are Golovkin, who proved nothing against vanes, and Crawford, who rescheduled his fight.

Loma was outweighed, outreached and yet made his opponent who is the top bloke in the division bleed and outboxed. If that isn't p4p no.1, your idea of p4p must be some form of a greek god ko'ing all his opponents with one punch in the first round :rofl: Everyone makes Linares bleed

People got mad when I said Lomachenko was susceptible to the lead right hand, one even called me a dunce, assuming I didn't know this is the usual case against southpaws. It's far more apparent with Lomachenko because he likes to antagonize his opponents from mid range, squaring up, looking to run them into counters. It's something that many needed to look at. A good example is Pernell Whitaker, the distinct difference is that Whitaker squared up more so when he started showboating and guys like McGirt/ Roger Mayweather who possessed very good lead right hands were able to drop him. Lomachenko looks like a far more presentable target for lead right hands which is why I shake my head at those who think he could have tangled with Morales or Marquez. That remains to be seen. It's gonna be far more dangerous if or when he faces Mickey Garcia, that fight will allow me to rate Lomachenko better. At this point I can say Lomachenko is a very good fighter, I don't see great as of yet.

I dont know which scorecards were worse this fight or the Ortiz vs Wilder one !:burnout: No wonder other champions are reluctant to fight over here , absolute garbage judging ,and had Linares won it should have been investigated it was that obvious . The scorecards were fine in my opinion. I had Loma up two points at the time of the stoppage (I gave Linares rounds 1, 6 and 9). Bloody elbow and CBS Sports had the fight even entering the 10th round. Bad left hook had Loma up two points entering the 10th. Clearly, the judges are not the only ones who saw a very close fight.

I never said that Loma makes the odds. Odds represent the probability of a particular outcome occurring. For example, if one were to toss a fair coin, then the probability of getting tails would be: P(tails)=1/2. In the case of most sporting events, odds can be used as a good indicator of the public's opinion. For example, Linares was a 7-to-1 underdog because more people put money on Loma than him. In other words, very few people believed that Linares would win. Loma was the heavy favourite going into the fight and was expected to cruise through, which, as we all know, did not happen. The odds were stupid. Linares is much bigger was on a winning streak and has fast hands. He fought well against Lomo. I didn't try to score the fight but my impression was Lomo was slightly ahead before the KO. Some people are discussing putting Lomo in with Crawford which is ridiculous. Crawford dwarfs Lomo.

Loma doesn’t make the odds. The odds were wrong anyway. Which was why I put a little bit on Linares. I got 8/1 I never said that Loma makes the odds. Odds represent the probability of a particular outcome occurring. For example, if one were to toss a fair coin, then the probability of getting tails would be: P(tails)=1/2. In the case of most sporting events, odds can be used as a good indicator of the public's opinion. For example, Linares was a 7-to-1 underdog because more people put money on Loma than him. In other words, very few people believed that Linares would win. Loma was the heavy favourite going into the fight and was expected to cruise through, which, as we all know, did not happen.

He's still great but Loma is a lot of flash. Linares is a skilled technian and difficult to outbox, he's just always been on the frail side. Put Loma in there with a guy like Mikey and you'll see a lot of that extra stuff he does will fail him and might even get him hurt.

Please, post exactly what you expected from a man moving up a division to face a champion. Please be specific. Loma was outweighed, outreached and yet made his opponent who is the top bloke in the division bleed and outboxed. If that isn't p4p no.1, your idea of p4p must be some form of a greek god ko'ing all his opponents with one punch in the first round :rofl: Loma came up a division and knocked out the top 2 world champion who has greater physical attributes than him in his first fight at lightweight. So yes, he lived up to the hype.. What else do people want? he won what else did you expect a rainbow to soot out of his ass? Most people give Loma credit for moving up, and rightfully so. However, boxers move/up down all the time, so it is not as a big of a deal as some posters are making it out to be. Furthermore, making Linares bleed is not really an accomplishment. To answer your questions: I expected Loma to not struggle against someone he was supposed to blow out. Being put on his a$$ by a big underdog not particularly known for his power does not help his case either. The hype machine behind Lomachenko would have one believe that he is a future ATG. However, a truly great fighter (e.g. Floyd Mayweather) should not have had so many issues dealing with someone like Linares. Also, please do not forget that Loma was expected to introduce Linares to the Matrix and not be pushed to the limit by a 7-to-1 underdog.

To be honest, I am a little surprised at the people celebrating the win and giving huge props to Loma. Do not get me wrong, it was a good fight, but I personally expected more from the so-called #1 P4P boxer in the world. Linares not only held his own, but also made Loma look ordinary and outboxed him on a number of occasions. The best boxer on the planet should not be struggling so much against a 7-to-1 underdog. Perhaps Loma is not as good as his hype would suggest? Or maybe Linares is better than he is given credit for? What do you gentlemen think? Loma last fought at 130, first fight at 135 and against a taller, stronger champion at the weight. Linares hadn't lost since 2012 and had KO 7 out his past 13 opponents. So now Loma is a 3 division champion in just 12 fights, that's pretty good if you ask me.

Look at the recent #1s, all of them have had really tough fights, or even losses. And that is fighting guys at their own weight class. Not Terence Crawford. Anyway, Lomachenko showed me a lot in this fight. He was going up against a bigger, sronger guy. Plus he had to overcome some adversity after getting put down. Yet he still came through and did his thing. Pulling out a liver shot just when he needed it, with Linares coming on and the fight still in doubt on the official scorecards.

Despite 15 pound disadventage plus reach and height disadventage he knock out the top guy of the division. That is awesome actually. Also Linares has disturbing style for Loma. Evwn tough he is bigger he is also fast and have tje power. If there were slower guy Loma would desteroy easily. Linares is pretty badass fighter.

Def P4P no.1 Hes done what no other boxer has done in history and hes only half way thru. Loma fought i think his best fight tonite. Coming back the way he did from a kd just shows the champion that he is. No- one beats Loma in mental toughness thats why he made his last 5 opponents quit.

To be honest, I am a little surprised at the people celebrating the win and giving huge props to Loma. Do not get me wrong, it was a good fight, but I personally expected more from the so-called #1 P4P boxer in the world. Linares not only held his own, but also made Loma look ordinary and outboxed him on a number of occasions. The best boxer on the planet should not be struggling so much against a 7-to-1 underdog. Perhaps Loma is not as good as his hype would suggest? Or maybe Linares is better than he is given credit for? What do you gentlemen think? Loma is the best P4P on the planet. That doesn't mean he blows everyone he fights out of the water. Look at the recent #1s, all of them have had really tough fights, or even losses. And that is fighting guys at their own weight class.

Styles make fights, lomachenko moved up in weight against a taller, rangier guy, who also happens to be the fastest in the weight class with decent power on his single punches. Stylistically it was a harder fight for loma, because he is used to have significant speed and reflex advantages or his volume was too hard to overcome for slow paced counterpunchers (Rigo).