What is a realistic roster for Matchroom USA?

Devin's dad is an alleged street dude (most say a current or former pimp) so yea they got money & they probably own all that sh^t, but in this business you need connections to move up eventually. Or usually you do. Its not like Devin is SRL or something & call his own shots or anything. So while I'm sure the deal will need to be nice enough & maybe that doesn't happen til after he wins a belt, but he's still gonna likely need to partner up to have the max impact on the game he can. Does Hearn want to get into a Caribe Promotions-type situation, though? If the money actually is Haney's, it'd seem that they'd be in the position to question Hearn's plan at each step.

If thats really the case, which I don't believe, they've failed really bad then. I don't think they've moved the needle much on making new fans. They did some of it, but its not been some movement with much logical or forward trajectory that has seemed planned out very well to me. I appreciate the feedback man!!! In my opinion they're doing a good job. The best way to get new fans is to have boxing available to the largest audience possible and for the longest period of time possible + actual product quality. The best way to do that is to get a long term t.v. distribution deal. It needs to be with the right network and it must also give out good fights and have shoulder programming in order to advance narratives and tell stories. I believe the three years from when it started until now was used to get data on the most effective ways to get the best product, Pay fighters more money, and distrupt the market for competition. However I respect your opinion and I would like you to know I appreciate the fact that your opinions always seem fair and understandable.

Isn't Haney with TMT? Haney trains out of Mayweather Boxing Club and is seemingly friendly with the camp, but he, his father, and whomever is financially backing him are doing their own thing, business wise.

the last big ones have been in the 2m range. Hearn would be able to double it. The disclosed payout for the Broner-Vargas card was basically $3m, the Lara-Hurd card was basically $2.3m. Wilder-Ortiz had over $3m in disclosed purses, and Mikey Garcia, Danny Garcia, and Errol Spence Jr all had shows with payouts near $2.5m. And that's before you consider any of the other costs related to actually staging those events. Thurman-Garcia had disclosed payouts of $4.2m to the fighters on the bill, and that show was put on CBS. Between the renting of the venue, the dealings with the commission, the insurance, the marketing materials, promotional press, fight week, and whatever other money spent, it would not shock me if $6m ended up being spent on that event.

Eddie needs to grab hold of as many top rated Mexican talents he can get his little grubby hands on mainly guys like Ryan Garcia those guys have high stock if he could get them on board he will be able to do something, lot of room to work with the Mexican fanbase also the Puerto Rican fanbase too.

After that solid win last night any chance Devin Haney gets picked up by Eddie Hearn? Or are the Haney's still shopping for something bigger & better? Devin Haney is already iced out, with at least 3 luxury cars (whether they're owned or leased is unknown), a house (whether he owns or rents is unclear), and he's just making his TV debut (though did fight on CBS Sports network). Hearn wouldn't hurt to try and talk, but there seems to be more hands involved than originally thought

Gamboa is bout done. I thought he lost that last fight. And Kirkland is MIA like a mofo lately. Idk if he is retied or what but he's not had a fight in 3 years & he's 34 now. Those would not be my ideal pickups if I was Hearn lol. Maybe he could B side them vs someone in the future is about either guys best bet with getting on a Matchroom card. They can be the cannon fodder for his stars to add to their resume lol. Both are my favorite fighters. Sad that i can see them again. :sad:

TMT isn't a promoter. Its just one of Mayweather's brands. And no he's not affiliated with Mayweather Promotions or any other promoter either. He does work out of Mayweather's gym quite a bit from my understanding, but anyone can join that gym ultimately so that doesn't necessarily even say anything. Yeah sorry i meant Mayweather promotions. Is Sr not his head coach? I went to the Mayweather gym in september last year, and he was training with Sr then.

After that solid win last night any chance Devin Haney gets picked up by Eddie Hearn? Or are the Haney's still shopping for something bigger & better? Isn't Haney with TMT?

The lure isn't as strong as you think, imo; most Showtime cards already have total fire payouts approaching $3m anyway. the last big ones have been in the 2m range. Hearn would be able to double it.

Realistically Hearn sucks at his job if thats the case. And I don't think Hearn sucks at his job at all. I think he's one of the best at his job. He's already pulled Danny Jacobs & Khan from PBC. I have no reason to believe he can't pull 3ish guys from the Spence, Charlo 1, Charlo 2, Wilder, Thurman, LSC, Tank (when he becomes a free agent), Derevyanchenko (not sure if he's with a promoter or not, but he's PBC/Haymon), Hurd (not sure if he's a free agent or not either tbh) or Broner crowd. And after that there are probably 20-30 guys underneath these guys who could be co-main caliber guys & main event guys within the next 12-24mos probably if moved correctly. And after that there are maybe 40-50 solid to great prospects to pick & choose from. Take 3-4 guys from that top tier. Give me 8-10 guys from that middle tier & give me 16-19 bottom tier guys & we got a 30 man new roster to add to what he gots + flip guys from the US to the UK at times/when needed or flip guys from the UK to the US at times/when needed. Some of you mfers are nuts. Some big move gets made for a guy like Hearn or Arum with the ESPN deal recently & you f#cking dummies think its a bad thing somehow lmfao. Hearn is ABOUT TO BE F#CKING KILLING IT. And fighters who turn him down will likely regret it cuz as of right now there has never been a better time to be with Eddie Hearn. good post, I agree. #earnwithhearn :lol1:

Wish Hearns have love for my boys James Kirkland and Yuriorkis Gamboa. Fuck 50 cents for destroying their careers.

The money is sexier like I said, but the promoter angle is the sexiest thing involved & why it'll be the best decision for some of these guys. I still say you are in too deep with this PBC thing. All signs point to them not doing sh^t or playing small ball best case vs what others are doing. Haymon has failed at creating a product. Okay sure he's got some great fighters. Okay sure he's made some fun fights. But they haven't a clue how to push the narrative of their successes like other straight promoters do or how to push their specific high profile guys who can be sold to new & more fans. Watching PBC boxing is like eating chinese food. You're hungry an hour later. Hi eff panda I have to disagree with you on this. The reason it seems like other promoters are better at pushing their success is because they are content with speaking to people who will watch boxing regardless. They are speaking to people who remember the old days. PBC is speaking about their success but its to tv executives and venues and advertisers. They are going for the hundreds of millions sports fans. Not the one million max boxing fan who has been a fan for the last 30 years.

Isn't the show budget about $4M per show for this streaming platform? You think he should be overpaying some All Star Boxing flunkee vs trying to nab the best free agents in the game that are with Haymon? This looks like a go as big as you can go move. I doubt they could get their wish list of free agents, but I don't see how they don't acquire some of them cuz the money is gonna be sexy enough to entice them just enough to sign with a promoter finally. And for some of them it'll be the best decision they've made in years cuz a bunch of these Haymon guys could use someone like Hearn pushing them. Its a win win situation. No, he shouldn't overpay All Star Boxing, but for all the money in this deal for Eddie Hearn, he's not the only one walking into the room with money and he's not walking in with any relationships to grease anything: -Showtime/CBS is sitting with money; they'll put on their 20 or so Showtime Championship Boxing cards, and they'll get the pick of the talent under Haymon's umbrella. -PBC is likely sitting with money (confirmation of deals and all that in due time); BounceTV will get their 4 shows, FOX will get their 4 shows (name vet vs name vet in a crossroads fight will likely become the staple, with competitive contender fights under that). -HBO is sitting with money behind the Canelo Show; they don't care about much, but notice the investment made in fighters at 160lbs. -ESPN basically bought Top Rank for a little bit (I doubt that the money was anything crazy, but Bob Arum is on his last bridge, and is a cranky old fart who will grumble for every dollar that he'd get for having to follow someone else's plan). The lure isn't as strong as you think, imo; most Showtime cards already have total fire payouts approaching $3m anyway.

Also for those who weren't aware his current roster includes: 1) kazashtan - Daniyar Yeleussinov 1) Irish - Katie Taylor 1) USA - Jacobs (1) N Irish - Ryan Burnett 2) Welsh - Joe Cordina & Sean McGoldrick The rest is Scottish (3) or English (43) Just highlights the big task he has, but also a roster of 50 ish currently. You would imagine he will slowly drop some of the English overtime also of course, particularly as I assume he is going to want to mix some American fighters in all the U.K. Fights now .

Signings are likely to start next week I imagine. I expect he will spread them on purpose, his first is likely to confirm an extension to Joshua. It's just the best way to market it and get more publicity. The best way to market it is to announce that Joshua is fighting on DAZN.

Andre Ward Manny Pacquiao Sergey Kovalev Marcus Browne Victor Ortiz

Names I have heard mentioned from Eddie Hearn, with two specific fights; khan vs broner and ward vs Bellew. I suspect he has some of these lines up and others he is mentioning to try and tout. Mikey Garcia James DeGale Deontay Wilder Jermall/Jermell Charlo Jarrett Hurd Errol Spence Jr. Keith Thurman Shawn Porter Leo Santa Cruz Abner Mares

Signings are likely to start next week I imagine. I expect he will spread them on purpose, his first is likely to confirm an extension to Joshua. It's just the best way to market it and get more publicity.

Realistically, Hearn's move would be to gobble up any fighter/promoter without real access to TV. Thompson Boxing, All Star Boxing, regional managers, etc. Heck, with the money assumed on the table, I'd even make the move to buy Main Events and what's left of Gary Shaw Productions. A bunch of prospects, a name fighter if you can get them, and test out the young Matchroom fighters or vets not heading to Box Office.