Anthony Joshua vs Deontay Wilder... who wins? how?

Ortiz is a top fighter but then you make excuses for the Klitchko win.. You cant have it both ways . This is what Wilder fans do EVERY time and they labled Breazeale a slow punching bag with no skills when Joshua fought him ,now hes a tough opponent all of a sudden bc Wilder will fight him ? :yeah: They even did it with Molina AFTER Wilder fought him and criticised Joshua for taking him as a last minute replacement . When Molina fought Wilder many posters werent sure who would win . lol How do you know Wilder has the better chin ? Hes been rocked and down in his pro career against inferior guys who have fought Joshua . He hasnt even fought a TRUE heavy handed guy yet . If i was a Wilder fan id be more concerned Klitchko was unable to K.O a tired Joshua who himself would have ended the fight in rnd 5 had he controlled his emotions . Breazeale IS heavy handed ! It will be a dangerous fight , Wilders chin will be tested early if he gets hit . Im not nervous at all , taking away Wilders sole weapon is not going to be hard for Joshua unless he makes it hard . Rewatch the Klitchko fight and you will see Joshua gets hit , you guys are under the weird impression he was only hit once in rnd 6 ? lol If anyone reacts bad to punches even jabs its Wilder and his fights show that. For Wilder to win he better throw more than 2 punches at a time and committ to a jab and stop probing it bc hes dead in the water if he cannot up his abilities that hes shown so far . Wilder is better than hes shown but he NEEDS to be to win this fight bc Joshua is becoming too comfortable in there and should he decide too attack Wilder off the bat ,Wilder is going to be in big trouble bc Joshua is no longer fearful of late rnds and has adjusted his weight to knowing what it should be for certain opponents . I would be surprise if it went the distance , i think it ends before mid rounds . Whos delaying the fight ? Wilder knows hes fighting Breazeale next and his team didnt want to respond to Hearns initial offer until WEEKS later . Dibella is on record stating they werent going to CHASE Joshua after Hearns offer . lol We know this bc Breazeale said he was told that a month ago ,. If you want to stall a fight heres what you do in 5 steps .......... 1 .Tell your fighter not to go to the U.K to promote the fight and your getting paid for it . 2 . Delay negotiating meetings . 3 . Cancel the meetings altogether . 4. Hit the other promoter witha 24 hr deadline with 50 Million dollar offer and go to the media first . 5 . Refuse any stipulations of details or any form of a contract if its requested . Who do you think is delaying the fight ? :cool2: ok just so u know im not a wilder or joshua fan.. i just want to put that out there. i just happen to believe wilder will win... im saying that the ortiz that wilder fought was better than the klits that joshua fought. lastly what you said about whos ducking who makes all the sense in the world to me and i really think your right about it! joshua wants it wilder is playing games. hearn was saying yesterday that he believe this fight gets made and will take place in 2018. what do u think about that?

nothing like bringing up a thread thats 6 mos old lol.. sorry man thats the masterthread :dunce:

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=764353 nothing like bringing up a thread thats 6 mos old lol.. sorry man

im not sure if there is a thread on this or not but i havent seen one... im very interested in your opinions... Who ya got ? After wilders ko of ortiz, that sealed the deal for me.. i know wilders fundamentals are in question amd blah blah blah but we saw he could take a punch and come back and get the ko.. i have to say even though ortiz is older that fight impressed me. wilder def has a ko punch.. Joshua has NOT impressed me one bit since beating klits.. Hes kinda looked very ordinary to me.. i got wilder, 9th ko! https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=764353

love ur insight, but i disagree with the result.. look an old klits put aj on his azz.. aj dont survive wilders punching power. Bearing in mind that Klitchko is a technically superior boxer to both Joshua and Wilder. And he caught Joshua when Joshua was tired. I dont know if Joshua takes Wilders punches or not. But Wilder would have to land those shots first and as we have seen in many of Wilders previous fights, he is prone to getting out-boxed until his power makes the difference. Unlike previous opponents however Joshua has real power himself. I could see him outboxing and taking Wilder out early.

This fight is a punchers chance. Whoever get who first, it's all over.

Wilder is very smart in understanding when to block and when to dodge, but in actual technique it goes to Joshua. On the inside there's a world of difference. Look at Wilder vs Duhaupas, Wilder used everything in the book - shovel punches, forehead control, forearm control, push tactics, tactil reflex, fast pivots to get the best angles. His left is always ready to extend and control the opponent's head. In contrast, most of the times someone gets inside Joshua just push them back, using his size to bully them. Against Parker he couldn't do it so easily so he could only clinch and throw the uppercut that hardly landed even with him pulling Parker head, while Parker landed a lot of body shots of his own I'll check out the Duhuapas fight, and yeah you're right against Parker I don't think he landed a single uppercut. Parker is pretty nice defensively to be fair to him, but Joshua made him look a lot slicker than he is. He couldn't cut the ring off against Parker for anything.

I give blocking and parrying to Joshua. He has a nice active guard and does a good job of catching punches off his arms, gloves, and shoulders. Its his main form of defense because his head movement for damn sure isn't all that good. IDK if I've seen enough to give the advantage to Wilder inside either. That uppercut for AJ is pretty cash money. Wilder is very smart in understanding when to block and when to dodge, but in actual technique it goes to Joshua. On the inside there's a world of difference. Look at Wilder vs Duhaupas, Wilder used everything in the book - shovel punches, forehead control, forearm control, push tactics, tactil reflex, fast pivots to get the best angles. His left is always ready to extend and control the opponent's head. In contrast, most of the times someone gets inside Joshua just push them back, using his size to bully them. Against Parker he couldn't do it so easily so he could only clinch and throw the uppercut that hardly landed even with him pulling Parker head, while Parker landed a lot of body shots of his own

Wilder is obviously extremely dangerous and given his lack of fundamentals he's done very well to get this far. The bottom line for me is that to this day he consistently falls over when throwing punches, it's gotten him this far but sooner or later he will pay the price for a lack of the basic's. I can't make Wilder the favourite to win against the more polished Joshua who also has the power to spark him out. I think Joshua would be extremely wary of the big right hand and not leave much opportunities for him to land, Molina negated his right hand for large spells of the fight. Eventually, Joshua would time Wilder with a solid two piece that has him on queer street and then he could finish him off. It might not actually be a classic fight that people would expect but watching it live we'll all be on the edge of our seats knowing at any moment the fight could spark into life.

Theres no proof Wilder hits harder than Klitchko at any point . Wilder averages about 9th rnd K.Os against guys that stand in front of him and really besides Ortiz whos proven that hes fought while still relevant ? You keep bringing up age yet Ortiz is older than Klitchko ( its obvious ) and he had a longer layoff besides counting 2 rnd with Martz . Ortiz only actual relevant fight was in 2015 against Jennings , do you really want to compare resumes here ,bc i'll tell you right now i'll blow up this entire thread ? At the end of the day we are comparing Joshua and Wilder . Anyone reading my breakdown is going to be hard pressed picking Wilder unless they are Joshua detractors and i took it easy on this one . All i have to say is watch Wilder vs Breazeale bc thats probably another fight Joshua looks better in...... Lets see Wilder not struggle which he does alot and win every round like Joshua did . Lets also see if can finish Breazeale with a JAB like Joshua did ? Of course providing they fight . Then we'll access this even more . "if the fight goes all 12 rnds then the location of the fight will play a huge role in the outcome. " I do agree with the above ,but based on Wilder being behind in fights i dont see him out boxing Joshua . Though the Ortiz scorecards is a bit of concern should the fight take place in Wilder territory . well i would be a fool if i was comparing resumes... wilder resume is an absolute joke. im saying that even at ortiz age, to me that was an impressive win for wilder.. he proved alot in that fight in my opinion. i highly respect your opinion and your reasoning for sure however, i think wilder is the more athletic fighter, i believe he is more powerful, and has the better chin. you cant tell me that you wouldnt be nervous if wilder lands his patented straight right. i believe he does land it and kos joshua. just my opinion though. i really believe that wilder has all the confidence in the world right now after that ortiz fight. i really wouldnt be surprised if the fight went the distance either. who do you believe is stalling? do u think joshua is stalling or do u believe wilder is stalling? publicly they both claim they want the fight bad?? i cant seem to grasp who is actually telling the truth though lol.

I think Joshua fights behind his jab and takes no chances and looks for a UD. That said Wilder could detonate on him anytime but either could knock thew other out.

I think either man could easily win because they both have big punching power and average chins. Ortiz had Wilder out on his feet but he was a sloppy finisher. If Aj had him hurt like that he would finish him. Likewise if Wilder hurts AJ the way Wlad did Wilder would finish him. I'll pick AJ to win by KO because he throws accurate precise text book punches. Wilder has a great left jab and straight right but he also throws lots of wide sloppy punches that leave him open.

Just for some perspective: Power - Wilder Agility - Wilder Speed - Wilder Combo-speed - Joshua Strenght - ? Reach and height - Wilder Chin - ? Heart - Wilder Ring IQ - Wilder Jab - Wilder One-two - Wilder Left hook - ? Counter-punching - Joshua Combination - Joshua Footwork - Wilder Feints - Wilder Rhythm - Wilder Head-movement - Wilder Blocking and parrying - ? Wrestle - Wilder In-fight - Wilder Mid-range - Joshua Outside - Wilder I give blocking and parrying to Joshua. He has a nice active guard and does a good job of catching punches off his arms, gloves, and shoulders. Its his main form of defense because his head movement for damn sure isn't all that good. IDK if I've seen enough to give the advantage to Wilder inside either. That uppercut for AJ is pretty cash money.

I have Wilder destroying AJ actually. His style is all kinds of wrong for him. First of all, Wilder is very mobile while Joshua is sluggish and flat footed. Always knew AJ had trouble with movers, others had to wait for him to get exposed by Parker to realize it. Second, there's the gap in speed between the two. Joshua isn't the fastest puncher and Wilder has razor sharp reflexes, so that's 2. Third, Joshua has absolutely 0 head movement and is stiff at the waist, which makes him very vulnerable to the hook. He compensates by parrying, but the problem is that Wilder's so powerful that he can actually destabilize your even with your high guard up. And once he has you wobbled, he goes wild on you. Once he smells blood it's over. Finally, Joshua doesn't have a chin. The minute Wilder lands he'll be in big trouble. Wilder showed in his last performance that he could take a punch. It's a pretty well known fact that Joshua's chin is suspect. Don't think he can take too much damage from Wilder. And there's another big issue that will do Joshua in - his stamina. Joshua is a 5 round puncher, after that, his power and speed go down significantly unless he takes a break in the mid rounds. Wilder, on the other hand, can bang for all 12 with no problem. All in all, Joshua's style is made to order for Wilder. All his weaknesses play to Wilder's strengths. And the worst is that most of these flaws cannot be fixed. I really don't see what he could possibly do to even have a chance. Wilder for the reasons stated above. In addition AJ's lateral movement isn't the greatest, and he has a bad habit of trying to stiff arm and back straight up, which is effective against shorter, lesser reached fighter, but Wilder is taller, and has longer arms. Wilder can get caught with something too, but I don't feel good for Joshua in this match. Wilder by KO

I dunno if it's his over muscled physique, but Joshua has an extremely low work rate. I think he can be taken by the athletic Wilder, If it goes into deep water! I think Dillian Whyte takes him in the rematch!

I have Wilder destroying AJ actually. His style is all kinds of wrong for him. First of all, Wilder is very mobile while Joshua is sluggish and flat footed. Always knew AJ had trouble with movers, others had to wait for him to get exposed by Parker to realize it. Second, there's the gap in speed between the two. Joshua isn't the fastest puncher and Wilder has razor sharp reflexes, so that's 2. Third, Joshua has absolutely 0 head movement and is stiff at the waist, which makes him very vulnerable to the hook. He compensates by parrying, but the problem is that Wilder's so powerful that he can actually destabilize your even with your high guard up. And once he has you wobbled, he goes wild on you. Once he smells blood it's over. Finally, Joshua doesn't have a chin. The minute Wilder lands he'll be in big trouble. Wilder showed in his last performance that he could take a punch. It's a pretty well known fact that Joshua's chin is suspect. Don't think he can take too much damage from Wilder. And there's another big issue that will do Joshua in - his stamina. Joshua is a 5 round puncher, after that, his power and speed go down significantly unless he takes a break in the mid rounds. Wilder, on the other hand, can bang for all 12 with no problem. All in all, Joshua's style is made to order for Wilder. All his weaknesses play to Wilder's strengths. And the worst is that most of these flaws cannot be fixed. I really don't see what he could possibly do to even have a chance. Thank you. Wilder KO 2

same as i always thought in the other threads joshua wins the early rounds starts to fade and wilder has him on queer street then finishes him down the stretch

Joshuas superior technique and combination punches will find there target through the wild swings and open defence of wilder. Expect to see wilder being outjabbed and also backed up and after 4 or 5 rounds joshua steps in and connects on wilders chin and hits the deck hard and he might rise but i don't see his legs holding up. My pick is solely based on joshuas straight accurate punches and combination that will land alot more and if wikder was hurt by molina and nearly stopped by Ortiz i see no way him withstanding joshuas power I expect to see a clinical finish by joshua in this fight.

Joshua look like he moving under water when he fight me. The speed difference unbelievable. I can see it now. He swinging at air. Crowd is roaring at him. Im snapping that head back with jabs. Slipping and cracking him with counter shots to the side of the dome. He on wobbly legs and its only round three. He covering up. Its round four and he breathing hard. They telling him wake up, you down on the cards. He getting desperate and things about to heat up real soon.

Joshua look like he moving under water when he fight me. The speed difference unbelievable. I can see it now. He swinging at air. Crowd is roaring at him. Im snapping that head back with jabs. Cracking him with counter shots to the side of the dome. He on wobbly legs and its only round three. He backing up. Its round four and he breathing hard. They telling him wake up, you down on the cards. He looking desperate and things about to heat up real soon.