Why do Wilder fans justify Wilder rejecting $12.5 million offer from AJ?

Because it was obvious that Team Joshua didn't want the fight.

eddie hearn "go raise your profile" so wilder is out there raising his profile to the point where hes likely to make 50-60 million to fight AJ and now everyone mad...its great..i love it wilder following the advice of your lord and u upset about it.... Great. Now can he just accept the offer already cause this is getting ridiculous.

Yes Wilder is a very smart businessman. First he turned down 12.5 million, then 120 million. How much money will Wilder turn down next?? 200 million? 300?? eddie hearn "go raise your profile" so wilder is out there raising his profile to the point where hes likely to make 50-60 million to fight AJ and now everyone mad...its great..i love it wilder following the advice of your lord and u upset about it....

this thread is fantastic. some gems from some of the smartest business minds this thread has to offer :lol1: Yes Wilder is a very smart businessman. First he turned down 12.5 million, then 120 million. How much money will Wilder turn down next?? 200 million? 300??

this thread is fantastic. some gems from some of the smartest business minds this thread has to offer :lol1:

Wilder-Joshua is a monster fight that will draw money and interest from everywhere, so historical figures don't much matter (will note that Wilder has been a million dollar fighter since the fight against Stiverne and growing). Wilder-Joshua brings MGM Resorts into the picture in a major way, and Wilder-Joshua brings Showtime PPV into the picture as well; both moves are worth, quite literally, are worth what Hearn offered Wilder, each. We already know what the ceiling for a blockbuster showdown at Wembley can command as a maximum; depending on what you believe, that number is £30m ($43m to the fighters). Wilder is working with a potentially far larger pot than that; splitting $70m between Wilder and Joshua isn't unheard of and that number could exploding higher if the casual fan launches. Finkel is working on a plan that exploits the inter dimensional appeal of Wilder-Joshua. The interest from Narnia is very significant here. It's likely that Aslan himself will bid for the screening rights and the talking animals are ready to raid their stores of gold to boost the fighters prize pot. The news from Middle Earth is even more positive. The dwarves, eager to support their long lost brother Finkel are emptying the mines of Moria and the Lonely Mountain of its gold, loaded on the back of a dragon and on its way to Al Haymon's waiting boat. Ready to bring the Elven rings of power and mithril armour to the home of the bronze bomber, famous as the most popular fighter from Mordor to Numenor. With the Leprechaun gold from various rainbows still to be counted the wizards of Hogwarts have been enlisted to give their aid. Jay Deas, himself a master of the magical arts of stuffing resumes with fat dead people is using Gringotts bank to store the vast fortunes which have been pledged in inter dimensional Wilder Joshua PPV subscriptions. Whether its the Martians of Barsoom, the Starks and the Lannisters, Westeros to Earthsea, the Final Frontier to a Galaxy Far, Far Away, no-one, real or fictional, can get enough of the wonder that is Wilder Joshua. And that's the reason Shelley Finkel hasn't sent that offer back yet. Too many territories, too much money, poor man can't cope.

I was actually hoping/praying that they somehow get the american networks/vegas in on this, so they can take the risk and put the money up front. Wilder doesn't sell so they just have to hope that the combination of him and Joshua would. Even if they come up with a loss they can at least have Wilder as their undisputed champ (If he wins) and then maybe they would make their monies back that way. I think Wilder should take the risk and accept like 15million dollars (Counter offer), get in there and get those belts off AJ. That would help his career tenfolds. 1st fight in wembley stadium with 90k attendance and then if both fighters sign for rematch then only fair in the states.....probably vegas but who knows. All i know is which ever fighter wins i am guessing it would end with a pretty concussive ko or brutal stoppage and who ever is on the receiving end of that ko maybe they wont be to keen stepping to quickly back n the ring. The first fight will not be in the states i guarantee you that ray

Apparently both sides are keen on a rematch clause, so we'd likely see a rerun in Vegas. Thats another point. A rematch if Wilder wins the first fight would be more lucrative for vegas/american networks. Hopefully they support him.

I was actually hoping/praying that they somehow get the american networks/vegas in on this, so they can take the risk and put the money up front. Wilder doesn't sell so they just have to hope that the combination of him and Joshua would. Even if they come up with a loss they can at least have Wilder as their undisputed champ (If he wins) and then maybe they would make their monies back that way. I think Wilder should take the risk and accept like 15million dollars (Counter offer), get in there and get those belts off AJ. That would help his career tenfolds. Apparently both sides are keen on a rematch clause, so we'd likely see a rerun in Vegas.

wilder is a non entity compared to the 2nd best fighter of our generation and pacquaio was already 4 or 5 division champion and was a proven ppv star in his own right. Don't compare wilder to pacquaio as its like comparing a B movie star to al pacino. I don't see anyway wilder can earn that type of purse in any of his future fights and if wilders team thinks he can make more against joshua why have they not come up with a counter offer.....thats because wilder is a risk and they cant guarantee why revenue he will make in america I was actually hoping/praying that they somehow get the american networks/vegas in on this, so they can take the risk and put the money up front. Wilder doesn't sell so they just have to hope that the combination of him and Joshua would. Even if they come up with a loss they can at least have Wilder as their undisputed champ (If he wins) and then maybe they would make their monies back that way. I think Wilder should take the risk and accept like 15million dollars (Counter offer), get in there and get those belts off AJ. That would help his career tenfolds.

You're one dumb mother****er lmao. looks like you have been owned again gumbo......what a knob you are

I'm not a Wilder fan, but fat Dan said it well; "...to be offered a flat fee is not a real offer. It's an offer meant for the Joshua team to be able to run around and say, "Hey, we made an offer, and Team Wilder turned it down." It's called playing games, and it's nothing new in boxing. A little history lesson: When we were bogged down in the will-they-or-won't-they nonsense of the Floyd Mayweather-Manny Pacquiao saga, Mayweather at one point offered Pacquiao a flat fee of $40 million. That's monster money, but not in the context of that event. Pacquiao rightfully said no. When the fight was finally made, Pacquiao got 40 percent of the pie and earned well over $100 million. wilder is a non entity compared to the 2nd best fighter of our generation and pacquaio was already 4 or 5 division champion and was a proven ppv star in his own right. Don't compare wilder to pacquaio as its like comparing a B movie star to al pacino. I don't see anyway wilder can earn that type of purse in any of his future fights and if wilders team thinks he can make more against joshua why have they not come up with a counter offer.....thats because wilder is a risk and they cant guarantee why revenue he will make in america

The pot in the Klitschko vs Joshua was only $30 mil. And Klitsch was 10x bigger than this Wilder guy. The pot was split in half. Klitsch wasn't even begging for the fight. He was pursued by Hearn. This Wilder guy was begging. Yet $12.5 mil is still not enough for him. Kills me. You're one dumb mother****er lmao.

The pot in the Klitschko vs Joshua was only $30 mil. And Klitsch was 10x bigger than this Wilder guy. The pot was split in half. Klitsch wasn't even begging for the fight. He was pursued by Hearn. This Wilder guy was begging. Yet $12.5 mil is still not enough for him. Kills me. Pounds not dollars, lol. £30m is basically the equivalent of $45m. Deontay Wilder was offered $12.5m. Assuming that Matchroom can match the Klitschko fight, the offer get Wilder short of 25% of the take.

The cool thing about the truth is that it eventually floats it's way to the surface. In other words, "Boxing always comes full circle"!!!

Joshua already makes top notch boxIng star money, no matter who he fights. Wilder can't make that money without Joshua. Wilder has no negotiation pull here. If he doesn't fight Joshua for 12.5 he will be back to making 2 mill fight No someone else who may beat him. His win vs Ortiz was great, but let's not act like he wasn't flirting with a L there. He's not going to risk losing 12.5 to potentially lose a fight for 2 mill. Deontay Wilder's market just saw two fighters split an alleged $400m. Anthony Joshua's market basically tops out at $45m to the fighters. Wilder makes Joshua money the moment he gets to drawing the casuals through. Wilder draws 500k on PPV and he's got Joshua's purse.

Who are you and what have you done with Raggamuffin? :PI think you oughta know by now that I keep G when it comes to this sport.

Wilder gets 2 mill at best per fight. 6x that is more than fair considering that money is due to Joshuas drawing power. Being realistic the split should be around 80-20/70-30 for Joshua. Wilder-Joshua is a monster fight that will draw money and interest from everywhere, so historical figures don't much matter (will note that Wilder has been a million dollar fighter since the fight against Stiverne and growing). Wilder-Joshua brings MGM Resorts into the picture in a major way, and Wilder-Joshua brings Showtime PPV into the picture as well; both moves are worth, quite literally, are worth what Hearn offered Wilder, each. We already know what the ceiling for a blockbuster showdown at Wembley can command as a maximum; depending on what you believe, that number is £30m ($43m to the fighters). Wilder is working with a potentially far larger pot than that; splitting $70m between Wilder and Joshua isn't unheard of and that number could exploding higher if the casual fan launches.

Anyone with even a MODICUM of intelligence knows that offer was a crock of ****. Point. Blank. Period. Absolutely. But, we're talking about NSB here... The home of such classics as; -Pac actually beat May, if you watch it in slow mo. -Ward will never fight Kovalev. -David Price would beat Wlad. The cool thing about the truth is that it eventually floats it's way to the surface.

I'm not a Wilder fan, but fat Dan said it well; "...to be offered a flat fee is not a real offer. It's an offer meant for the Joshua team to be able to run around and say, "Hey, we made an offer, and Team Wilder turned it down." It's called playing games, and it's nothing new in boxing. A little history lesson: When we were bogged down in the will-they-or-won't-they nonsense of the Floyd Mayweather-Manny Pacquiao saga, Mayweather at one point offered Pacquiao a flat fee of $40 million. That's monster money, but not in the context of that event. Pacquiao rightfully said no. When the fight was finally made, Pacquiao got 40 percent of the pie and earned well over $100 million. Damn bro can you at least give me a minute to rip OP to shreds before you drop a bomb on his thread? Anyone with even a MODICUM of intelligence knows that offer was a crock of ****. Point. Blank. Period.