IBF should have been more proactive in this GGG fiasco?

lots of good posts in this thread by true ggg fans...

Yeah, that makes sense. See the comment posted in another thread that I just quoted here. Technically, the IBF have already ordered GGG to fight Derevyanchenko next, if he doesn't fight either Canelo or BJS. So they could strip him immediately if he signed with Martirosyan. Yeah. They called for it. But they have to enforce and announce it in order for it to be official. Any sanction can call for a fighter to fight someone next, they have to order AND enforce it though. Normally that comes with "fighter a has to start negotations with fighter b by (specific date) or it will go to a purse bid".

As GGG was given a pass on his IBF mando so he could fight either Canelo (already ordered by the WBC) or BJS (unification) I would say that signing to fight somebody other than Canelo or BJS would put him in breach of the IBF's rules on mandos and they would be entitled to strip him immediately. I guess Connolly is lobbying for the IBF to enforce their rules strictly. Yeah. That's what it is. It looks as though the IBF are willing to let it slide. They want to make sure they OFFICIALLY mandate it

From my understanding, all three sanctioning bodies for the belts g holds, needs to accept or deny any opponent for those belts. It appears at this time, that the IBF has not decided if they will enforce their rules and mandate G fight Derevyanchenko before any optional. For g to sign a contract to fight someone else, he needs the blessing of the IBF. That is why a contract with Martirosyan has not been signed. The ibf said no. Apparently they have not confirmed if they will allow anyone besides Derevyanchenko to be g's next opponent or not. And without their consent, their is no fight, so no signed contracts. I'm not sure if the IBF turned down Vanes, because he is such a weak opponent, or if they are just waiting to decide if they are going to enforce Derevyanchenko as mandatory and G's next opponent. Yeah, that makes sense. See the comment posted in another thread that I just quoted here. Technically, the IBF have already ordered GGG to fight Derevyanchenko next, if he doesn't fight either Canelo or BJS. So they could strip him immediately if he signed with Martirosyan.

Wait...huh? I literally just posted words from Connolly himself. They are currently lobbying for the IBF to enforce it. If it was already enforced, Connolly wouldnt have wrote the IBF a letter and Lou wouldnt be lobbying. As GGG was given a pass on his IBF mando so he could fight either Canelo (already ordered by the WBC) or BJS (unification) I would say that signing to fight somebody other than Canelo or BJS would put him in breach of the IBF's rules on mandos and they would be entitled to strip him immediately. I guess Connolly is lobbying for the IBF to enforce their rules strictly.

I'm baffled by a statement from Dibella, saying that if GGG vs Martirosyan is finalised, the IBF will strip GGG of their title. How can a champion be stripped for not fighting his mando, if he hasn't been formally ordered to do it? And the IBF can't order GGG to fight his mando next if he's already signed a contract to fight someone else. Is it possible that the IBF might have ordered GGG to fight Derevyanchenko without announcing it to anyone? From my understanding, all three sanctioning bodies for the belts g holds, needs to accept or deny any opponent for those belts. It appears at this time, that the IBF has not decided if they will enforce their rules and mandate G fight Derevyanchenko before any optional. For g to sign a contract to fight someone else, he needs the blessing of the IBF. That is why a contract with Martirosyan has not been signed. The ibf said no. Apparently they have not confirmed if they will allow anyone besides Derevyanchenko to be g's next opponent or not. And without their consent, their is no fight, so no signed contracts. I'm not sure if the IBF turned down Vanes, because he is such a weak opponent, or if they are just waiting to decide if they are going to enforce Derevyanchenko as mandatory and G's next opponent.

This explains what's going on: Wait...huh? I literally just posted words from Connolly himself. They are currently lobbying for the IBF to enforce it. If it was already enforced, Connolly wouldnt have wrote the IBF a letter and Lou wouldnt be lobbying.

Possible? They haven't made a ruling yet. https://sports.yahoo.com/sergiy-derevyanchenkos-lawyers-send-letter-ibf-demanding-fight-vs-gennady-golovkin-143555162.html https://www.badlefthook.com/2018/4/12/17229508/derevyanchenko-team-continues-to-push-for-may-5-fight-with-golovkin His team (Connolly and DiBella) are currently lobbying for it now. When they say "he will be stripped" - they are speaking from the hope that the IBF will enforce and mandate that fight. They just haven't yet. This explains what's going on: The situation is a bit more nuanced than that. Golovkin has an IBF mando due. Its been due for some time now. He was given a pass for the Canelo fight, but no opponent other than Canelo or Saunders (unification) would have been approved. Fighting anyone else would result (and SHOULD result) in the IBF stripping him. Everyone knows Im a HUGE GGG fan. But if he fights anyone other than Saunders or Derev next, then the IBF would be correct in stripping him. You either have rules, or you dont.

I'm baffled by a statement from Dibella, saying that if GGG vs Martirosyan is finalised, the IBF will strip GGG of their title. How can a champion be stripped for not fighting his mando, if he hasn't been formally ordered to do it? And the IBF can't order GGG to fight his mando next if he's already signed a contract to fight someone else. Is possible that the IBF might have ordered GGG to fight Derevyanchenko without announcing it to anyone? Possible? They haven't made a ruling yet. https://sports.yahoo.com/sergiy-derevyanchenkos-lawyers-send-letter-ibf-demanding-fight-vs-gennady-golovkin-143555162.html https://www.badlefthook.com/2018/4/12/17229508/derevyanchenko-team-continues-to-push-for-may-5-fight-with-golovkin His team (Connolly and DiBella) are currently lobbying for it now. When they say "he will be stripped" - they are speaking from the hope that the IBF will enforce and mandate that fight. They just haven't yet.

Problem with the ibf is that they exist we only need one champion per division so guys like thurman, Stevenson, and Joshua can’t hold titles hostage and everyone is after one thing. Why are you including AJ with the likes of Stevenson and Thurman? AJ has fought 2 unification fights in the space of a little over a year, and now holds 3 of the title belts in his division. Refusing to give Wilder, who brings a tenth of the money AJ brings to the table, a 50/50 split is not holding belts hostage.

In addition to NSAC following their bylaws and suspension protocols and deciding to suspend much sooner.... Should the IBF have contacted both Loeffler and DiBella and used transparent language along the lines of: "If NSAC suspends Canelo or if the fight is called off by (a specific date), then we will order the Sergiy fight to be scheduled on May 5th - but in the event that the required date we mentioned comes and goes, then Gennady is permitted to fight a voluntary replacement" So in that case, there would be no back and forth and/or lobbying. Just a thought. No they won't commit Sergiy to face Golovkin on a few weeks notice. If it's going to happen it's will be shortly after May 5.

Problem with the ibf is that they exist we only need one champion per division so guys like thurman, Stevenson, and Joshua can’t hold titles hostage and everyone is after one thing.

In addition to NSAC following their bylaws and suspension protocols and deciding to suspend much sooner.... Should the IBF have contacted both Loeffler and DiBella and used transparent language along the lines of: "If NSAC suspends Canelo or if the fight is called off by (a specific date), then we will order the Sergiy fight to be scheduled on May 5th - but in the event that the required date we mentioned comes and goes, then Gennady is permitted to fight a voluntary replacement" So in that case, there would be no back and forth and/or lobbying. Just a thought. I'm baffled by a statement from Dibella, saying that if GGG vs Martirosyan is finalised, the IBF will strip GGG of their title. How can a champion be stripped for not fighting his mando, if he hasn't been formally ordered to do it? And the IBF can't order GGG to fight his mando next if he's already signed a contract to fight someone else. Is it possible that the IBF might have ordered GGG to fight Derevyanchenko without announcing it to anyone?

I will give the IBF that, at least they do seem to abide by their own rules a bit more consistently than most of the other orgs and they do at least enforce their mandos and have a consistent (if deeply flawed) ranking system. Yeah, their overall ranking system is completely flawed. But coincidentally (or not) their middleweight ranking is really good right now. Followed closely by their heavyweight ranking.

IBF is normally a lot more sensible about things like this. Although, this is probably a first for them, atleast of this high profile of a status. They easily could have let it be known at the beginning of march when Canelo got popped that he would be forced to fight Sergiy in the event that the fight couldn't go on. I will give the IBF that, at least they do seem to abide by their own rules a bit more consistently than most of the other orgs and they do at least enforce their mandos and have a consistent (if deeply flawed) ranking system.

Yes. They should. Funny thing with the sanctioning orgs though... in general they move with glacial slowness, but then ... just occasionally, sometimes for obvious reasons, and sometimes less so, they burst into action and make some half-cocked dumb decision which everyone disagrees with. The thing they can absolutely be counted on not to do is the thing which makes the most sense. Probably they were just caught a bit by surprise and no one with money had given them clear instructions. IBF is normally a lot more sensible about things like this. Although, this is probably a first for them, atleast of this high profile of a status. They easily could have let it be known at the beginning of march when Canelo got popped that he would be forced to fight Sergiy in the event that the fight couldn't go on.

In addition to NSAC following their bylaws and suspension protocols and deciding to suspend much sooner.... Should the IBF have contacted both Loeffler and DiBella and used transparent language along the lines of: "If NSAC suspends Canelo or if the fight is called off by (a specific date), then we will order the Sergiy fight to be scheduled on May 5th - but in the event that the required date we mentioned comes and goes, then Gennady is permitted to fight a voluntary replacement" So in that case, there would be no back and forth and/or lobbying. Just a thought. Yes. They should. Funny thing with the sanctioning orgs though... in general they move with glacial slowness, but then ... just occasionally, sometimes for obvious reasons, and sometimes less so, they burst into action and make some half-cocked dumb decision which everyone disagrees with. The thing they can absolutely be counted on not to do is the thing which makes the most sense. Probably they were just caught a bit by surprise and no one with money had given them clear instructions.