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For many years people were pressing GGG about a matchup with Lara. Including me. Especially around the time they booked a fight with Monroe and Sanchez made the statement that Monroe was a bigger name than Lara.
Lara spent years calling for it. Even willing to move up to the full 160 limit.
Is this fight against Hurd definitive proof that Lara would've been smoked by GGG at 160? or is this fight irrelevant in determining a GGG / Lara winner at 160?
You can go watch fights of him throughout his career and see he was always a devastating body puncher. Whether you think so or not, he would find Lara's body, as multiple people have.
Maybe my eyes are off, but the only time I really ever see him tee off, on anyone, is when the opponent becomes a statue in front of him and he's kept free to fire from his mid-range.
If you earnestly think that Lara is that kind of fighter, that's on you.
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For many years people were pressing GGG about a matchup with Lara. Including me. Especially around the time they booked a fight with Monroe and Sanchez made the statement that Monroe was a bigger name than Lara.
Lara spent years calling for it. Even willing to move up to the full 160 limit.
Is this fight against Hurd definitive proof that Lara would've been smoked by GGG at 160? or is this fight irrelevant in determining a GGG / Lara winner at 160?
Any version of Lara would lose to Golovkin. The Lara that fought Hurd would have been crushed. Golovkin would have been troubled by Lara a few years ago but this version would be slaughtered.
lara would have given golovkin problems and his people knew it...which is why they never called him....lara was a known name that had headlined many cards on premium and regular cable...and was also rated #1 in the division just south of golovkin(golovkin has no problem fighting others from that division or below it even)....it was so blatant sanchez actually said monroe was a bigger name lol......thats how you know how full of **** these guys are
Where do you come up with this stamina nonsense? It was GGG who triumphantly raised his hands and walked back to his corner after the Jacob's fight. It was Danny who literally collapsed on the ropes from exhaustion. Not sure where all this sudden hype of Hurd is coming from. He squeaked out a win over an aging Lara who was considerably smaller.
His stamina is good. All I'm saying.
Where do you come up with this stamina nonsense? It was GGG who triumphantly raised his hands and walked back to his corner after the Jacob's fight. It was Danny who literally collapsed on the ropes from exhaustion. Not sure where all this sudden hype of Hurd is coming from. He squeaked out a win over an aging Lara who was considerably smaller.
I was going to same something similar. Though Golovkin's numbers have dropped these last couple fights, his stamina is still amazing for a fighter his age. If this was the Golovkin of several years ago, there would be no question about his stamina. Golovkin threw almost as much punches as Hurd did in 12 rounds without reaching the end of his own fights several times (assuming his punch count didn't drop). Golovkin has/had amazing output for a MW in the years passed.
Golovkin doesn't have the endless stamina Hurd does. Lara can fight a well schooled guy like Golovkin but Hurd was probably nothing he really came across even with his deep amateur background.
But who knows? I'd lean towards GGG winning a close one.
Where do you come up with this stamina nonsense? It was GGG who triumphantly raised his hands and walked back to his corner after the Jacob's fight. It was Danny who literally collapsed on the ropes from exhaustion. Not sure where all this sudden hype of Hurd is coming from. He squeaked out a win over an aging Lara who was considerably smaller.
Golovkin doesn't have the endless stamina Hurd does. Lara can fight a well schooled guy like Golovkin but Hurd was probably nothing he really came across even with his deep amateur background.
But who knows? I'd lean towards GGG winning a close one.
If Canelo can keep GGG missing and counter him what do you think Lara is gonna do?
And another fighter beating a fighter isn't a victory by proxy for GGG. Instead of all these:
If fight X beat fighter Y that means GGG would beat fighter Y
scenarios you should've wanted to see GGG fight fighter Y himself. But no, ya'll made excuse after excuse
Who's y'all? I wanted to see this fight years ago and still do. I made the thread because a bunch of ppl are using the Hurd fight as proof Lara would've been smoked by GGG at 160. that's all. The same thing happened with the Angulo fight, they figured since Angulo gave him hell and dropped him than he has no chance against GGG. I don't agree with triangle theories either but its an interesting debate.
GGG would have stopped Lara, and then the GGG haters would have slammed him for beating a Jr. MW. Same way they did it to Loma when he made Rigo quit.
Yeah. I was basically over that fight when Rigo turned down $700k to fight him at 126 (which was somehow interpreted as Loma/TR ducking) but then when he was up at 130 those morons still claimed Loma is hiding, will never fight Rigo, the weight doesn't matter it's all about skill etc; etc; and then Rigo accepted less money at 130 and most of those folks stuck to their guns and STILL said it was a no contest in Rigo's favor and then some of them quit the board, some of them had meltdowns (Mirko) and some of them just came up with a bunch of excuses and accusations of which they knew of BEFORE the fight.
Anyway back to your point yes GGG would have beaten him and yes he'd have been ridiculed. He'd be ridiculed if he beat Joshua and Wilder on the same night.
I do think Lara gives him problems early though but we've got to remember Lara was life and death with Angulo, got a bit of a lucky decision with Molina and had a fair draw with Vanes (fight I). That's not the guy that's moving up and beating GGG.
No it wouldn't because Hurd and Golovkin are completely different fighters. Both fighters bring different a style of pressure, Hurd up close and Golovkin fights at a range that Lara is comfortable at.
GGG is shorter and has a reach 8 inches shorter than Hurd. He is slower and less agile. He is more skilled than Hurd IMO. Lara is older now and less mobile.
I don't think you can look at the Hurd/Lara fight and project how a fight with GGG would've gone a few years ago.
When was Golovkin ever a real body puncher, especially when he simply didn't have someone just standing there for him?
You can go watch fights of him throughout his career and see he was always a devastating body puncher. Whether you think so or not, he would find Lara's body, as multiple people have.
I was always skeptical about Lara's willingness to move to 160 for that fight. I've been trying to find the exact video but in it, the reporter asks Lara if he'll go to 160 and Lara responds with "154, 154...154." I'd say the video was around 2 years ago at least. Both Lara's and GGG's legs appear to be less than what they were so it's hard to say how Lara would've done after the Hurd fight. One thing though, when GGG was the body puncher he used to be, those lefts to the liver that Canelo, Angulo and Hurd threw, would've been easier to take than Golovkin's.
When was Golovkin ever a real body puncher, especially when he simply didn't have someone just standing there for him?
https://i.imgur.com/xI1odZ1.jpg
For many years people were pressing GGG about a matchup with Lara. Including me. Especially around the time they booked a fight with Monroe and Sanchez made the statement that Monroe was a bigger name than Lara.
Lara spent years calling for it. Even willing to move up to the full 160 limit.
Is this fight against Hurd definitive proof that Lara would've been smoked by GGG at 160? or is this fight irrelevant in determining a GGG / Lara winner at 160?
Alfredo Angulo put forward the template of how to beat Lara; it didn't work for him, based solely on his face not being able to hold up to the damage, but it worked out for Alvarez and it worked out for Hurd, both who ended up winning close fights.
Gennady Golovkin fights nothing like Alfredo Angulo, no matter how hard Abel Sanchez has tried. He takes damage ok, but he becomes almost ineffective when he's forced to have to fight in close/off the chest.
Lara can fight long, mid, and inside, but fighting inside is the only frame where there's a chance to overwhelm him with pressure and Golovkin won't do that.
Golovkin will likely stalk and try to volume jab against the sharpest stick at 154lbs, get to the mid-range, and watch Lara simply pivot on him the whole night. Lara 10-2 (judges will score it however they want, but the only way Lara loses a decision is by out and out robbery)
GGG does not fight like Hurd.
Angulo fight Lara was hurt way more than vs Hurd.
But GGG do not fight like Angulo nor Hurd.
GGG is not 6'1 nor have a longer reach that Lara like Hurd had.
Even tho Lara stayed in the pocket and other that the cut did not got hurt vs Hurd high volume punching and 12 round coming forward attack.
I was always skeptical about Lara's willingness to move to 160 for that fight. I've been trying to find the exact video but in it, the reporter asks Lara if he'll go to 160 and Lara responds with "154, 154...154." I'd say the video was around 2 years ago at least. Both Lara's and GGG's legs appear to be less than what they were so it's hard to say how Lara would've done after the Hurd fight. One thing though, when GGG was the body puncher he used to be, those lefts to the liver that Canelo, Angulo and Hurd threw, would've been easier to take than Golovkin's.
Lara would be competitive and win rounds but lose fairly wide and at this point probably by stoppage. I like Hurd a lot but he's not as good as GGG or as skilled.
I think Lara was close on Saturday though. I scored it to Hurd by a point (but will watch again in the coming days it's the fight I enjoyed most this year), but I felt Lara did enough to beat Canelo and obviously he beat Williams. He's usually in close fights because he has a lot of skill and obviously the type of heart that puts his countryman and friend Rigo to shame.