How many genuine big punchers has Windmill faced?

Man what the hell are you talking about? Neither AJ or Windmill are great technically. I'm talking about WHO has faced the bigger punchers and how that could play a role when they eventually fight. AJ has faced big punchers and has come through the storm, Windmill faced one average puncher In Ortiz and was In all kinds of trouble. This Is an important fact to recognise imo. Its been explained to you a few times and your not getting it.

it's HW man. believe me, almost all of these 230+ lb guys will get you going if they hit you flush. i'd say stiverne, arreola, and ortiz are the biggest hitters he fought. washington can hit, too, but he's not as proven. biggest hitter joshua fought was obviously wladimir. what wilder has not faced are many athletic / explosive fighters. same with joshua. he's really only got two on his resume, and one was in his 40's and all but retired. not sure where the idea that joshua has faced a murders row has come from. both are still largely unproven unitl they fight each other. exactly..............

Not much of a fan of Wilder, not a critic either, actually... and the laughter you caused me is not related to the abilities or lack there of Wilder. It is your lack of comprehension about a base level of skill as compared to a more pronounced level of experience. Man what the hell are you talking about? Neither AJ or Windmill are great technically. I'm talking about WHO has faced the bigger punchers and how that could play a role when they eventually fight. AJ has faced big punchers and has come through the storm, Windmill faced one average puncher In Ortiz and was In all kinds of trouble. This Is an important fact to recognise imo.

Another windmill wanker!!!..SMH they're really triggered with this thread man!!! :bottle: Not much of a fan of Wilder, not a critic either, actually... and the laughter you caused me is not related to the abilities or lack there of Wilder. It is your lack of comprehension about a base level of skill as compared to a more pronounced level of experience.

OP here is something to consider Ok so we have two feather weights and they are both coming up strong... Non withstanding that neither guy has fought someone with the speed of Camacho... they have fought their way through the division...now someone pipes up "well one guy has dealt with faster fighters..." Well... if your a feather weight you will deal with speed because it is prominant in the division... and if you can't deal with speed? David Price is a great example of a heavyweight who cannot deal with the propencity of big guys to hit hard. David made the pudgy Russian juice man smile as he unloaded, knowing that after the first shot Price knew not whether he was fixing pipes as a plumber, or in the ring. When these posters, like New England, are telling you that there is an average amount of pop in the division...keep in mind that neither Joshua, nor Wilder, have faced a George Foreman, a Sony Liston... So its actually negligable whether Ortiz hits harder than Parker, or whether Vlad unloaded on Aj better. Aj tasted a bit more, but when he beat brezal and Martin he never tasted their power...and good for him for not doing so. Wilder showed some resistance when he got tagged by Ortiz, keep in mind that a weakness that is major would look like Price against the pudgy Russian with the sweet smile. Part of the reason for this is that neither guy has been tagged by a murderous puncher yet...and yes AJ has been tagged harder. meanwhile both guys can take enough of a shot that it is not an Amir Kahn type weakness, that much we know.

OK.... Honestly now, HONESTLY, and we can use the honor system here, in other words, having seen your posts, as such, I am trusting you will give me an honest answer to what I am about to ask, or tell me you won't answer: So... How long did it take you to come to this obvious conclusion regarding the OP being an idiot? Another windmill wanker!!!..SMH they're really triggered with this thread man!!! :bottle:

clearly? which ones? name the top 5 punchers each guy has faced. and how'd joshua do when wladimir hit him with big shots? or even dillian white, a modest puncher? and do me a favor if you expect me to take you seriously when we talk about boxing, stop calling the guy windmill. FFS this is not some case where an undeserving fighter is being touted as something he is not! the guy is limited but he punches hard enough to make up for it! these are two limited, largely unproven fighters, in their prime, with huge power. it's a fight that both guys deserve, and the biggest fight in boxing because of that. AJ= Vlad, Breazeale, Whyte, Paker, Takam Windmill= Ortiz, Stiverne, Areola, Molina, Washington I mean do the maths man!!!..it ain't even close :D Windmill has not been in the ring with massive punchers, it's as simple as that.

OK.... Honestly now, HONESTLY, and we can use the honor system here, in other words, having seen your posts, as such, I am trusting you will give me an honest answer to what I am about to ask, or tell me you won't answer: So... How long did it take you to come to this obvious conclusion regarding the OP being an idiot? :lol1: Well, I'm bad with names, so I may have thought he was an idiot in an earlier thread, and forgot who it was. I can 100% guarantee that I remember the final straw being when he said that Joseph Parker (who was considered to be feather fisted before the AJ fight) was suddenly more powerful than Luis Ortiz. You fat yank :lol1: I'm a Super Heavyweight for a reason :boxing: i'd go so far as to say ortiz hits "much" harder than parker. that said, thatd oesn't matter all that much! one guy can do worse with two shots what another can do with one, even if one shot hits harder with just one shot. both guys will knock you senseless if you let them! it's HW! they hit "hard enough!" almost all of them do! It's HW boxing, that's why everyone has a punchers chance. But Ortiz was the boogyman for a reason, and people seem to forget what he did to Jennings right after he took Wlad the distance.

Its hw so? How about we see him vs joshua so we can settle this all, lets demand it.

yeah, I'm a "windmill wanker" because Ortiz hits harder than Parker. You fat yank :lol1:

You're an idiot. OK.... Honestly now, HONESTLY, and we can use the honor system here, in other words, having seen your posts, as such, I am trusting you will give me an honest answer to what I am about to ask, or tell me you won't answer: So... How long did it take you to come to this obvious conclusion regarding the OP being an idiot?

yeah, I'm a "windmill wanker" because Ortiz hits harder than Parker. i'd go so far as to say ortiz hits "much" harder than parker. that said, thatd oesn't matter all that much! one guy can do worse with two shots what another can do with one, even if one shot hits harder with just one shot. both guys will knock you senseless if you let them! it's HW! they hit "hard enough!" almost all of them do!

Never said AJ has faced a murderers row, just that he's clearly faced the bigger punches and his chin has come through that. Windmill has not faced the level of punchers AJ has and so his chin is not as tested as some may think it is. clearly? which ones? name the top 5 punchers each guy has faced. and how'd joshua do when wladimir hit him with big shots? or even dillian white, a modest puncher? and do me a favor if you expect me to take you seriously when we talk about boxing, stop calling the guy windmill. FFS this is not some case where an undeserving fighter is being touted as something he is not! the guy is limited but he punches hard enough to make up for it! these are two limited, largely unproven fighters, in their prime, with huge power. it's a fight that both guys deserve, and the biggest fight in boxing because of that.

Oops, should of known I was dealing with one of the "windmill wankers", never mind. yeah, I'm a "windmill wanker" because Ortiz hits harder than Parker.

What? I said pretty much all of them punch hard. Not a leap to think any man above 220 pound who can punch his weight punches hard. Common sense right, these guys don't seem to get that wilder punches a hell of a lot harder than he needs to :lol1:. all you gotta do is put somebody down for 10 seconds, get the ref to stop the fight. wilder has removed dudes entire from consciousness with one shot, and even early. yeah, they don't all hit that hard, but they don't need to! they hit hard enough to hurt and eventually stop each other. that's why HW has histoircally been the most exciting division for the casual. huge, eye catchig shots that stagger an opponent are easy for the layman to understand.

it's HW man. believe me, almost all of these 230+ lb guys will get you going if they hit you flush. i'd say stiverne, arreola, and ortiz are the biggest hitters he fought. washington can hit, too, but he's not as proven. biggest hitter joshua fought was obviously wladimir. what wilder has not faced are many athletic / explosive fighters. same with joshua. he's really only got two on his resume, and one was in his 40's and all but retired. not sure where the idea that joshua has faced a murders row has come from. both are still largely unproven unitl they fight each other. Never said AJ has faced a murderers row, just that he's clearly faced the bigger punches and his chin has come through that. Windmill has not faced the level of punchers AJ has and so his chin is not as tested as some may think it is.

What? I said pretty much all of them punch hard. Not a leap to think any man above 220 pound who can punch his weight punches hard. Common sense SMH in all the divisions there are different levels of punchers. Takam for example does not hit as hard as Breazeale, this is what you're not getting.

it's HW man. believe me, almost all of these 230+ lb guys will get you going if they hit you flush. i'd say stiverne, arreola, and ortiz are the biggest hitters he fought. washington can hit, too, but he's not as proven. biggest hitter joshua fought was obviously wladimir. what wilder has not faced are many athletic / explosive fighters. same with joshua. he's really only got two on his resume, and one was in his 40's and all but retired. not sure where the idea that joshua has faced a murders row has come from. both are still largely unproven unitl they fight each other.

Rubbish, you telling me Molina punches as hard as AJ? No chance. What? I said pretty much all of them punch hard. Not a leap to think any man above 220 pound who can punch his weight punches hard. Common sense

Yea, that's the way I feel. It's the HW division, anybody can be laid out with one punch. Yeah, it makes me bristle when people say heavies can't punch. It's why the division is what it is. Some posters are used to watching 147 pounders. Why didn't AJ step in more? Because Parker a 238 pound was primed with a counter left hook the whole fight. Of course he could have KO'd AJ. David Price is a heavy with a relatively weak chin who has campaigned at a decent level but if Povetkin landed the two shots on AJ and Wilder that sent him to the moon. He would have knocked them both out, obviously.