Why do fans care so much about PPV sales, splits, purses??

It's the Mayweather phenomenon. Back when he was using PPV numbers as one of his endless excuses to duck Pac during his prime he claimed Manny's PPV numbers weren't big enough, even though he was fighting guys who had absolutely no PPV numbers to speak of.

Not when it comes to PBC vs. PBC fighter you won't hear that. ou mentioned Andrade vs Derevychenko, a PBC fighter vs. an HBO fighter. Why do you think we don't hear about PBC vs. PBC fighters negotiations? I don't know. Yet fights are not getting made like Spence vs One Time, Garcia vs Porter, Porter vs Spence, Spence vs Garcia, etc. I mean we should at least know whether the fights were offered or not, and who declined. Shouldn't we? In contrast, we knew something about the Walters vs Loma, Rigo vs Loma, etc.

Problem is not all promoters/managers/advisors/networks are accessible to what fans or the media wants to know. You won't see any negotiation detail when it comes to PBC/Showtime, for example. Yet look at the amount of detail we get when it comes to Arum, Hearn, HBO, etc. Just recently, we learned about why the Andrade vs Derevychenko failed to make it this year. You won't hear or read anything like that when it comes to PBC or Showtime.

Would fans care so much if these B-sides just do what they're supposed to do? No. ^^^This. Hundreds of fights got made without fans knowing any negotiation details. It happens only when the other side or both are quibbling about money. It's all about money. The fight is secondary to most fighters.

It goes much further than splits. Fans really, really want the best things to happen to their favourite fighters. Seriously. If Wilder loses (or AJ for that matter), his fan boys will be VERY SAD. Similarly, if he wins, they'll be ecstatic. These people might pretend to just want to watch a boxing match, but don't be fooled. They are cheering for the personal, financial and athletic well-being of their favourite fighter. Why do they care? I doubt anyone here can answer that with expertise. But humans love tribalism, and fandom doesn't seem so different. Sometimes it's based on nationalism or racism or character differences or fighting styles. But the end result is the same: an absolute buy-in on one particular person. And I'm no different. I'm a fan of Daniel Jacobs. If he were to lose to Sulecki -- yeah, that'd bum me. But we all have to take a deep breath and just admit that we're bizarre in that aspect.

Those things started mattering a lot less to the boxing community when 97G tried headlining a PPV and it flopped hard. Didn't even make money.

Would fans care so much if these B-sides just do what they're supposed to do? No.

fans equal fanatical. That means we revel in the minutiae.

Because throughout history morons who don't know any better predictably fall for the "he ducking" nonsense propagated by the people doing the actual ducking. These are the same morons who've propagated junk about Ray Leonard ducking Aaron Pryor or De La Hoya ducking Winky Wright, even in spite of all the evidence that points to the contrary. This wouldn't be an issue if Wilder and his half a dozen fans didn't start making an issue about purse splits like the uneducated dunces they are.

That is used a Deterrent to keep their favorite fighters from having to fight TOUGH FIGHTS! "He Doesn't Sell" "He Is Not A Draw" "Who Has He Fought" "Nobody Knows Who He Is" "He Needs To Raise His Profile" "He Doesn't Deserve 50/50" "He Needs To Fight This Other Guy..." Sounds Familiar? :lol1: Sorry not in the business of protecting a Professional Fighter who can Whip My Ass! They don't need OUR PROTECTION! You become Champion then you should expect and welcome the challenges and the target that is placed on you once you become Champion

yes, however we have to be realistic. theres plenty of good fights out there for joshua- povetkin, miller, whyte 2. wilders in danger of being frozen out of the division if hes not careful, if hes gonna be difficult about things he may not ever got a shot at joshua Your slick . Substituting the " But " with " However ". But it still means the same shet . I personally don't mind if they have One more fight before they meet . But anymore than that is suspect .

It's relevant as it's a reason the fight may not happen. What's become clear is that Joshua has many options and wilder needs to realise he is.just one of many options. Joshua doesn't need to chase the fight, he can move on without wilder, if wilders not gonna talk about things and negotiate like an adult. Serious Question ... Do you want to see AJ fight Wilder ? Hopefully I can get a simple answer without a " But " in it .

Personally, i dont give two good fux what fighters make, nor what their purse splits are, or how many ppvs they get,..Because i wont every see a red cent of the proceeds. The fans get the fights, and the bixers will still get paid. About the only big loser here is the promotors, and if yhey dont do their mf’n jobs and promote the fights, then they have no one else to nlame but themselves. Case in point. Aside from HBO, ESPN, and Showtime, how often do you see fights advertised on a regular basis?!?! Not very often. I keep hearing how much money promotor spend to promote the fights, but i rarely realling see where this promotion is taking place. Heres another example, the Lamont Peterson/ Errol Spence fight. I was out of town at work when this fight took place. Not one add on mainstream tv of the fight that i can remember. I looked throught the weekend addition of USA Today and not one mention of the fight in the sports section. BUT, guess what I found on the back page of the sports section,...... a full page advertisement for a MMA/UFC ppv fight. Its now wonder boxing has taken a back seat to other combat sports. If you are the type to cry about ppv numbers etc, then go to the source of the problem,.... and thats the promotors and the half assed work they do selling the fights. They are all a bunch of cheap skate MF’rs who fail to promote their fights and the fans and boxing followers are the big losers in this deal.

Splits and PPV talk doesn't particularly interest me, but it's the direct influence on fighters and promoters when making a fight. A guy who brings way more to the pot than his opponent isn't going to give away what he's more entitled to. People argued non stop about the GGG/Canelo split...thread after thread. People argued about Mayweather/Pacquiao purses and splits for the best part of a decade. I don't think it's going to change anytime soon :dunno:

Surely as fans we just want the best fights. It's like we are all trying to play pretend businessmen and getting as much money as possible for a fighter even though we won't be getting any of that money. Who cares if Wilder doesn't have the same PPV sales the same crowd attendance as AJ, it's the best fight out there right now so we should be demanding it happens at all costs. Unless maybe it's the AJ fans that keep bringing up the PPV sales the crowd attendances because they don't want the wilder fight, they know what happens in a wilder fight, AJ getting knocked spark out. Hmmmm does make me think. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The King is coming, Tyson Fury! I think they care about it that much because deep down they know If someone can beat their man they will try to pull off unfair percentages to prevent the fight from happening. They're trying to do this with Wilder so they can prevent it from happening. Most AJ fans are UK casuals who don't give a **** about Wilder and believe that him not showing up in Cardiff proves that he doesn't really want the fight anyway. Most AJ fans believe that he's better than Wilder so they have no reason to try to prevent the fight from happening - even if they were dumb enough to think that fans posting comments about PPVs on the internet makes any damn difference to what happens or doesn't happen in the real world.

Of course I want the best fights to be made. I am not that interested in what the boxers pay for view numbers are and never thought I would get a penny of it. Often the best fights are not made. I do like to hear the actual offer that boxers get to fight other boxers. That way I can decide for myself if the boxer is turning down a fair offer to fight or just turning down a sh*tty unfair offer to fight.

Only fanboys do it, you’ll notice. Genuine fans really don’t sit and seriously argue about percentages or ticket sales. It’s just something that fanboys latch onto because whatever their man comes out with is what they see as undeniable gospel facts, so they’ll take these little issues and take them to the death. Best off being ignored really. We are here to be fans of boxing, not rumours of what gets said in meeting rooms. It’s sad

Its a topic for people that dont really have much to say about boxing.

fans that obsess over that live their lives vicariously through these fighters. and contrary to popular belief this is nothing new and goes back further than Floyd/Manny era. but it was enhanced during that period to a new level. fans like that is what I refer to as boxing groupies. and right now the groupies for AJ are front and center leading the new era of dck slurpers. even though AJ himself told fans not to discuss these things they cant stop doing it. they already committed themselves to slurping him. there's no turning back. look at the abysmal stink fest that AJ produced vs Parker yet none of these slurpers complained. they don't care about getting their monies worth. AJ making his money makes their vaginas moist and warm and thats good enough for them. they are in no rush to see him face Wilder because remember, their satisfaction comes from seeing AJ getting paid. Wilder represents a threat to their slurping fantasies. and this actually cannot be compared to Floyd/Pacquiao so don't let these slurpers get away with that. Floyd and Manny were HOF bound without each other. the talent pool was so rich they both developed legendary careers. AJ and Wilder are in a very weak heavyweight era. they need each other to establish a legacy. AJ's biggest win is grandpa Wlad on a wheelchair and oxygen tank. and Wilder beat a guy on blood pressure pills. its even. but when you're a slurper logic doesn't enter the picture. when you've dedicated your time to slurping you will slurp until the end. the AJ slurpers are too deep to change their ways.

I always say only women care about another man's pockets