Hearn keeps stating that the fight "must happen" in 2018 due to the mandatory(s) that AJ will have.
This does not make sense to me, seeing as ALL sanctioning bodies will want a piece of the undisputed Heavyweight championship of the world, and I just don't see how they would force a mandatory in that scenario.
This seems to me like Matchroom is already laying their excuses for post 2018.
Wilder has already said reverse the split, put AJ in the Whyte contract etc. What more can this man do to get this fight with AJ?
I'm sorry folks. Regardless of which side of the pond you are on, this is quickly becoming the most prolific duck since Bowe/Lewis. At that time, we American's kept it real and gave Big Daddy the business for his blatant ducking.
It's comical when I hear these UK "boxing" fans deny the fact AJ (specifically Matchroom) are clearly ducking Wilder. You either don't know sh*t about boxing, are in straight denial, or a combination of the two.
I GET why AJ doesn't want it. By his own admission, he's afraid to lose. But I don't see how you can call yourself a boxing fan wanting AJ to fight anyone except Wilder.
It's only boxing, kids. It'll be okay, after he loses. That's just how it is.
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That is what makes Eddie a good promoter to be honest. I like AJ but I think even Eddie knows he is Beatable so he kinda want to ride this Wave for awhile. He Even tried to throw Whyte in front of Povetkin but I guess Povetkin team went back to Russia and after thinking it over even they was like "WTF We Need To Fight Whyte For We're Already AJ's Mandatory With The WBA and WBO!" Eddie tried to pull a fast one:lol1:
YES UK fans probably would never admit it but they're NERVOUS about that match up because of Wilder's Power and Quickness! It was similar with Kell Brook vs Spence Jr, it was the same excuses used against him but I think even they knew that was a terrible match up for Brook but PRIDE would never allow them to admit it. I think some are confident AJ can win, I still very SLIGHTLY favor him over Wilder but a lot of them are extremely nervous about that match up and maybe they want to see him in with Whyte first to kinda get more of a Read on Him
Let AJ fight Miller in the US and Wilder fight Whyte in the UK next, then fight each other at the end of the year?
This will build the fight more with both being visible in each others country.
Complete waste of time do it now or it’s aj ducking
Joshua deserves the split he wants, even 70/30 is a massive increase on wilders biggest ever payday.
Deontay Wilder has the most important belt in boxing, the WBC. Before you even try to argue that point, keep in mind Eddie Hearn has publicly stated many times that everybody in the industry knows the WBC is the most prestigious belt. Parker has the WBO belt, the least important of the four recognized belts.
Deontay Wilder is a much bigger star than Joseph Parker. Deontay Wilder brings the American market to the table, which is much larger than New Zealand.
So how can you reasonably argue that Deontay Wilder should get a smaller split than Parker got? Seriously, explain the logic of that. Parker got approximately 33.3%. Wilder brings much more to the table than Parker. Why wouldn't he be paid more than Parker?
80,000 people in that stadium did.
Sky TV couldn't be beating the drum any louder. They promote Wilder better than anyone he actually pays.
They want it.
There is a realisation that it's not easy to make. Wilder will say a soundbite but he's the fighter. He's emotionally led and what he says can be taken with a pinch of salt believing otherwise is just disingenuous.
They’re all over the place trying to push whyte on wilder instead
Let AJ fight Miller in the US and Wilder fight Whyte in the UK next, then fight each other at the end of the year?
This will build the fight more with both being visible in each others country.
Why do you idiots keep on claiming such nonsense?
Show me Brits on this very forum who don't want AJ to fight Wilder? I have not seen a single one. So you're talking crap like the other loons on this forum.
They’re all over the place trying to push whyte on wilder instead
Why do you idiots keep on claiming such nonsense?
Show me Brits on this very forum who don't want AJ to fight Wilder? I have not seen a single one. So you're talking crap like the other loons on this forum.
1. He's already stated he'll go as low as 10/90 on the initial fight (as long as he gets that in the rematch). Seems acceptable to me.
2. Don't see it at all. If you are one fight away from becoming undisputed Heavyweight champion of the world, you should RUN toward that. Just like Wilder is. Remember, fighters have been ducking HIM...not vice-versa.
3. See #2.
4. See #2. (How you would not want your fighter to become undisputed is beyond me.)
I appreciate the response, but in the end nothing justifies *continuing* to delay the fight. The excuses are running out, IMO.
You really miss the point. The 90/10 offer was based on him getting opposite in rematch, when asked specifically if this was only case if he won , he refused to say. Up shot of it is he is still asking for 50/50 but across two fights instead of one.
I don’t think anyone can claim wilder is running towards any fight, he has a track record of taking the easy fights over better money and/or challenging options, in that time he continuing has talked up the bigger fights.
Until wilder gets into a ring with anyone it’s never a foregone conclusion.
Joshua, by contrast , has a resume which has shown him build up his career quickly and take on tough options at various stages of his career. Many would have argued before the fights that he took on Whyte, Martin and Klitschko too early in his career but he stepped up and took them on. Wilder refused to fight klitschko at all and has openly said he will delay fighting Whyte.
Wilder could do following:
Take 33%, would be a HUGE payday for him.
Fight in Wembley - would be a HUGE payday for him.
Fight Whyte, his #1 first, build up the fight further, and would likely build expectation from public for fight and his % - would be a HUGE payday for him.
But he can’t do any of those things because Hearn is blocking....
You're a little mixed up here, Wilder wants the fight NOW, its team Joshua who is preventing this fight from happening NOW.
Let's also remember....even if they fought at 50/50 it will STILL be AJ's biggest payday too.
I'd think you UK fans would be grateful our champion is not holding the final belt hostage. He's BEGGING AJ to come and take it.
The long and short of it is that Joshua's management doesn't want to risk a Wilder fight just yet. They know that if Wilder hurts Joshua like Wlad did (a real possibility) he won't let him off the hook like Wlad did. So they keep throwing up roadblocks (money, location, Whyte, etc)
Wilder could do following:
Take 33%, would be a HUGE payday for him.
Fight in Wembley - would be a HUGE payday for him.
Fight Whyte, his #1 first, build up the fight further, and would likely build expectation from public for fight and his % - would be a HUGE payday for him.
But he can’t do any of those things because Hearn is blocking....
I think you will find most do. But there is also a bit of an acceptance on most for variety of reasons.
1) Joshua deserves the split he wants, even 70/30 is a massive increase on wilders biggest ever payday. Joshua now owns four of the five belts. Emphasis on wilder to make an offer which is acceptable.
2) He has continuously took on tough opposition. Even if he fought a Povetkin mandatory it would be tough. He is well within his right to do a normal voluntary, just look at wild ta resume to see how much more abusing of this option other Heavyweights have been.
3) Time is on his side, he is 28. Let’s be fair here, he’s still flew up the rankings so fast and we learn something new each fight about him. But at 28, even if specific fights are delayed then we know they can still happen.
4) other options - For me there are several fights available with appeal. Wilder (belts), Fury, Haye, Whyte2, Povetkin (mandatory), Ortiz, Miller (U.S). All good options for differing reasons.
1. He's already stated he'll go as low as 10/90 on the initial fight (as long as he gets that in the rematch). Seems acceptable to me.
2. Don't see it at all. If you are one fight away from becoming undisputed Heavyweight champion of the world, you should RUN toward that. Just like Wilder is. Remember, fighters have been ducking HIM...not vice-versa.
3. See #2.
4. See #2. (How you would not want your fighter to become undisputed is beyond me.)
I appreciate the response, but in the end nothing justifies *continuing* to delay the fight. The excuses are running out, IMO.
The long and short of it is that Joshua's management doesn't want to risk a Wilder fight just yet. They know that if Wilder hurts Joshua like Wlad did (a real possibility) he won't let him off the hook like Wlad did. So they keep throwing up roadblocks (money, location, Whyte, etc).
Say he'll accept the same deal as Parker. That would make the fight straight away.
50/50, stop trying to price things out, what a diva move :lol1:
We all know Eddie Hearn has been doing his best to hype this one and he has been using Wilder name non stop slandering him and all sorts, I'd say considering this is now for all the belts it definitely should be close to 50/50 if it can't be that.
I think you will find most do. But there is also a bit of an acceptance on most for variety of reasons.
1) Joshua deserves the split he wants, even 70/30 is a massive increase on wilders biggest ever payday. Joshua now owns four of the five belts. Emphasis on wilder to make an offer which is acceptable.
2) He has continuously took on tough opposition. Even if he fought a Povetkin mandatory it would be tough. He is well within his right to do a normal voluntary, just look at wild ta resume to see how much more abusing of this option other Heavyweights have been.
3) Time is on his side, he is 28. Let’s be fair here, he’s still flew up the rankings so fast and we learn something new each fight about him. But at 28, even if specific fights are delayed then we know they can still happen.
4) other options - For me there are several fights available with appeal. Wilder (belts), Fury, Haye, Whyte2, Povetkin (mandatory), Ortiz, Miller (U.S). All good options for differing reasons.
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