How could Wilder & Joshua start boxing at age of 20 & be the Best HW's in the World?

Foreman also started late. Ali was 12 when they stole his bike, was champion 9 years later. Tyson was 13 and he was champion at 20.

Don't think so If both were natural Middleweights who would win?

Why do Wilder fans brag about his late start and the fact he got Olympic Bronze yet they don't acknowledge Joshua's almost equally late start and Olympic Gold and the fact he won a title in far less fights, beat a ranked opponent in less fights, unified a title in far less fights and defeated an elite opponent in far less fights? Becuase Wilder lacks boxing skills and they are trying to make excuses for that.

Muhammad Ali Don't think so

I disagree. If he was a natural welter, he would be just like sugar Ray Leonard SRL's inside fighting and general technique are leagues ahead of Ali. Ali couldnt throw a proper uppercut to save his life. Ali was hampered by the small fact that he was 200lbs+

Putting it out there, Ali wouldnt be that skilled if he boxed exactly how he boxed at HW against LWs. Better than maybe all other HWs? Sure. But he wasnt that skilled in comparison to greats in lower classes. I disagree. If he was a natural welter, he would be just like sugar Ray Leonard

I don't see any point to the poll. Starting boxing at 18 to 20 years old is plenty young enough for a boxer to reach his potential while he is still in his prime .Aj is in his late 20s so he has been a boxer for 10 years or so. Wilder is in his early 30s so he has been a boxer for 13 or more years. That's enough time for a determine boxer to reach any potential he has. Hopkins was in prison and didn't turn pro until age 30 when he got out of prison and look at his accomplishments. If AJ and Wilder had started boxing when they were 12 years old they would probably be better but not that much better. Boxing isn't rocket science and it doesn't take 20 years to learn.

are you a refugee? My grandad was during the first world war

international HW have mostly been ass historically. look at the top 50 hw of all time. almost all of them come from where? Germany, Ukraine and England?

That's US, what's the explanation world wide? international HW have mostly been ass historically. look at the top 50 hw of all time. almost all of them come from where?

****, if i could play d1 and nail gorgeous girls and go to school for free instead of taking punches to the head, i would! that's an easy decision! these kids are steered toward the ncaa from a very, very young age. i get why a tiny guy would box. he can't make it in other sports where size is at a premium. but there's no early reason for a talented, big athlete in the US to box. none. there are a myriad of opportunities to do other things that don't involve getting punched. That's US, what's the explanation world wide?

My grandads family are from Syria/Turkey, and as such represent one of the first areas that human beings left Africa and settled in. Because of this, i am probably more closely related to Deontay Wilder than you are. Genetics baby woo I feel stronger already. Can even feel a "bombzquaaaad" coming on. are you a refugee?

you don't need to get the truth spelled out for you very plainly, in a manner that even a british can understand? My grandads family are from Syria/Turkey, and as such represent one of the first areas that human beings left Africa and settled in. Because of this, i am probably more closely related to Deontay Wilder than you are. Genetics baby woo I feel stronger already. Can even feel a "bombzquaaaad" coming on.

Ive been on this site for 10+ years. I dont need to do this again. If you need to believe that a black alabamans genetics somehow relates to you then go ahead :lol1: you don't need to get the truth spelled out for you very plainly, in a manner that even a british can understand?

I don't even consider these guys and the Klitschko's & Lewis HW's to me they are super heavy weights because of their sheer size. Other sports robbed us of the traditional heavyweight and the outsized guys have a chance to be the best because of it, not saying they aren't great fighters but damn it's almost like the 6 foot tall HW is pointless now.

on what planet are those things i mentioned not hugely important? the sport was dominated by american talent. that american talent is recruited to play football and basketball and generating billions in revenue. now that that american talent is gone, the sport is garbage. is deontay wilder unique? who is being naive here? Ive been on this site for 10+ years. I dont need to do this again. If you need to believe that a black alabamans genetics somehow relates to you then go ahead :lol1:

Larry Holmes started boxing when he was 19. Turned pro with a record of 19-3 from the Ams, then won the World championship at 27. Joshua started boxing at 18, turned pro after a short am career and could win the title (with a win over Wilder this year) at 28. Wilder started boxing at 19, turned pro after a short am career, and could win the world title at 32 (with a win over Joshua this year). To add to this... Marciano started boxing in his early 20s, had a short am career, won the title at 29. Joe Louis started boxing in his mid teens and had won the world title about 5 years later. Mike Tyson didnt start late, but considering his insanely quick rise to the top he is also comparible. He started boxing at around 13-14, and had pieced together the title and basically cleaned out the division by the time he was 22. This accellerated learning curve isnt that unusual in HW history

Come on NE, do you still have the stomach for this argument after all these years Ive seen you post this comment hundreds of times :lol1: on what planet are those things i mentioned not hugely important? the sport was dominated by american talent. that american talent is recruited to play football and basketball and generating billions in revenue. now that that american talent is gone, the sport is garbage. is deontay wilder unique? who is being naive here?

Muhammad Ali Putting it out there, Ali wouldnt be that skilled if he boxed exactly how he boxed at HW against LWs. Better than maybe all other HWs? Sure. But he wasnt that skilled in comparison to greats in lower classes.

There's a reason why Heavyweights are never regarded as P4P best their skills $uck . Can You imagine a Heavyweight boxing like Lomachenko Muhammad Ali