Comparing AJ and Wilder to past HW's

Wilder was losing on the cards to a journeyman Szpilka who took the fight on almost no notice? The issue is, Wilder's 40th fight was against a someone. The rest, all tomato cans who had little business to be in the ring. okay, at least 35 of them. Wilder being down the cards is your opinion, and completely irrelevant due to his style and power. Wilder takes the first few rounds to adjust, find his target, then end it with 1 punch. He is one punch man. Szpilka had 38 days to prepare, he also gained wins over former cruiser/HW champion Adamek. Wilder can't even take time to adjust without being criticized. What is worse, actually getting KO'd by a journeyman or Wilder being momentarily behind vs Szpilka? I bet you'd laugh your ass off if Wilder got put on his ass by a 188lb fighter like Ali did. The point is even the all time greats have shown a multitude of flaws and compared to Wilder/AJ's, theirs are not that bad.

That's something I've been thinking. The greats of the past were great because they lost. Really, half of the great names on Ali's resume were greats because they won over him. The 90's were a mess, one coming after another and taking the throne, all of this build over the hype of Mike Tyson. I'm not taking anything away from these guys, the went to wars with great heart and skill, but let's be honest, Wilder and Joshua would get wins over most of them on size alone, with some few exceptions

Joshua defeated Klitchko a fight sooner than Ali defeated a injured Liston who many thought threw the fight anyway . Archie Moore was an old man and had hundreds of fights when he fought Ali . lol The best PRIME guy he actually fought was 185 pound Cooper who was arguably cheated out of a win . Even if you THINK Alis 20 fights are better than Joshuas one would think youve never watched boxing regularly bc what you continue to post on here is borderline trash . AND .....Lineal talk is for newbs bc the best fight the best no matter what belt they have as is claiming prospects are exposed when they lose ,does all this make you mad ..........BRO ! :grr: So you are actually arguing AJ has a better resume than Ali 20 fights in🙈🙈😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 the retard is at it again... Absolutely laughable. AJ has one high level win in 20 fights and he had to go life and death with a 41 year old inactive fighter coming off a loss. Who’s name is spelt KLITSCHKO🤣🤣🤣 not “Klitchko”😭😭😭😭 And what are you talking about “Best prime guy was Cooper”🙈🙈🙈😭😭 Liston was undefeated for 10 years and coming off his best two wins and performance’s in destroying ATG fighter Floyd Patterson inside a round. WRONG AGAIN Juggernonce😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 “He threw the fight doe”🤣🤣🤣🤣 And yes the lineal title does matter, Ali wasn’t beating no Charles Martin’s for a belt he won by default or picking up vacant belts against a 41 yr old inactive fighter. He was beating the undisputed, universally recognised HW champion of the world. AJ has NEVER done that. And that makes you mad doesn’t it “bro”???😡😡😡 Does it make you mad that I continually PROVE YOU WRONG “bro”???😡😡😡😡😡

This idiot is actually trying to argue AJ has a better resume than Ali��������������������������������

Nope ...Joshua will have 3/4 belts ....2 unification fights , fought numerous top 10 ranked guys and has already added a ATG to his resume and done all this since 2016 in what will soon be 21 fights ....... Does this make you mad __________________ BRO ? :bounce: Whilst Ali had the LINEAL title, beat TWO ATG’s in 20 fights. Guess that makes you WRONG AGAIN “bro”😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 Looks like you’re the one who’s “mad bro”😡😡😡😡😡

Let's wait for them to first finish their careers before we form any reasonable comparison. Otherwise, we'll be speaking a little too soon / early. well..... to be honest no one is calling them the next fighter of the decade :D

You mad ....... BRO ? :grr: Are you WRONG AGAIN BRO?????????😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

Holyfield fought Qawi at the Cruiserweight limit of 190 pounds and Qawi was taller than 5 foot 5 inches. They threw well over 1000 punches each in a great fight. Could either Wilder or AJ fight at that pace? I doubt it. I wouldn’t waste your time on this ignorant idiot bro, he’s calling former HW champion’s “journeymen”🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 That’s says it all about his understanding of this sport...

Its hard to stay undefeated at any point at HW . Klitchko and Louis lost to far inferior fighters in their 24 or 25th fight ....... The opposition that Joshua has fought smokes any past HW in 20 fights without remotely close too losing outside Klitchko . Ali himself has questionable wins even before the Cooper fight . Liston had already lost within 10 fights . Lewis dropped the ball in his 26th fight or around there . The fights we want dont get made fast bc OF the terrible boxing fanbase of using losses against the fighters ... Sorry you guys suck ....lol ......man do i miss the 90's when the fans actually wanted to see everyone fight , which is why we ALMOST saw all the possible matches (barring Bowe vs Lewis ) at least we are getting Joshua vs Wilder and their still crying ..lol....:crying: “The opposition AJ has fought smokes any past HW in 20 fights”🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Ali beat Archie Moore and dominated Sonny Liston inside his first 20 fights. Learn your history son. “I fought Yuri Vaulin doe”😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 “I was trained by Bill Sharkey doe”🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 “I went 5-0 in one night doe”😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

these guys can't even get rocked or dropped without people calling them bums, but will these same people hold the past hw's to the same standards? Let's examine some of the past hw's and their struggles. -tyson, 5 years pro, stopped by journeyman douglas -lewis , 5 years pro, stopped by journeyman mccall -ali, 3 years pro, dropped hard by 188lb journeyman cooper -holyfield, 2 years pro, close split decision win over 5'5 qawi -louis, 5 years pro, dropped by obese 5'9 journeyman galento -frazier, 1 year pro, close sd to journeyman bonavena -foreman, 8 years pro, lost ud to journeyman jimmy young just a couple of examples. In b4 "heavies were better back then!" even though many of these journeyman were losing to other journeyman/part time boxers the size of modern day cruisers. What will the excuses be? When wilder gets momentarily rocked by a dominant undefeated 6'4 240lb southpaw champion with a 90% ko ratio he's a bum. When aj with a mere 3 years pro experience accidentally punches himself out then gets dropped by 30 year veteran 6'6 240lb klitschko he's a bum even though he recovers to dominate him. 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

I agree to an extent. Some people who dont watch enough old timers write them off completely. Some who watch some old timer boxing overrate them. Joshua and Wilder are nust now coming into their prime. Forget their age, they are developong fighters with probably another 5-10 years in their prime coming up. Watch most of the greats pre prime and there are holes all over the place. However, these greats we are talking about dont get judged on how they looked coming through. They fought the absolute best opponents they could, at the time they were supposed to fight them, often over an extended period. There is a long way to go for AJ and Wilder before we can compare them to that tier of fighters

These guys can't even get rocked or dropped without people calling them bums, but will these same people hold the past HW's to the same standards? Let's examine some of the past HW's and their struggles. -Tyson, 5 years pro, stopped by journeyman Douglas -Lewis , 5 years pro, stopped by journeyman McCall -Ali, 3 years pro, dropped hard by 188lb journeyman Cooper -Holyfield, 2 years pro, close split decision win over 5'5 Qawi -Louis, 5 years pro, dropped by obese 5'9 journeyman Galento -Frazier, 1 year pro, close SD to journeyman Bonavena -Foreman, 8 years pro, lost UD to journeyman Jimmy Young Just a couple of examples. In B4 "Heavies were better back then!" even though many of these journeyman were losing to other journeyman/part time boxers the size of modern day cruisers. What will the excuses be? When Wilder gets momentarily rocked by a dominant undefeated 6'4 240lb southpaw champion with a 90% KO ratio he's a bum. When AJ with a mere 3 years pro experience accidentally punches himself out then gets dropped by 30 year veteran 6'6 240lb Klitschko he's a bum even though he recovers to dominate him. Ali was dropped hard by Sonny Banks in his 11th fight. Still widely regarded as having one of the best chins ever in the heavyweight division.

Boxers today are better than boxers in the past

Wilder was losing on the cards to a journeyman Szpilka who took the fight on almost no notice? The issue is, Wilder's 40th fight was against a someone. The rest, all tomato cans who had little business to be in the ring. okay, at least 35 of them.

Ali and other past legends are like one of those movies you vaguely remember and wonder what all the fuss was about until you watch it again and remember how truly great they were. In fact, sometimes all I watch is old grainy fights and then nod off to the latest fight being broadcast in HD.

Holyfield fought Qawi at the Cruiserweight limit of 190 pounds and Qawi was taller than 5 foot 5 inches. They threw well over 1000 punches each in a great fight. Could either Wilder or AJ fight at that pace? I doubt it.I hope you get the point OP is trying to make. All imma say.

Let's wait for them to first finish their careers before we form any reasonable comparison. Otherwise, we'll be speaking a little too soon / early.

I would compare Joshua to a taller version of Mike Tyson.and wilder to a taller version of buster Douglas.

I don't call either of them bums but I think they would lose to prime Ali , Liston, Foreman, Tyson, Marciano, Holmes, Holyfield,Louis,Lewis and the K brothers assuming we are talking prime against prime. Prime for prime they certainly don't lose against Marciano or Louis... are you kidding? Against Holmes, Lewis, and K brothers they all have a shot at victory.

Holyfield fought Qawi at the Cruiserweight limit of 190 pounds and Qawi was taller than 5 foot 5 inches. They threw well over 1000 punches each in a great fight. Could either Wilder or AJ fight at that pace? I doubt it.